Office System update

A few (major) changes since my last post.  The Klipsch's are gone... they did some interesting things but were flawed and had to go back.  

The Unitiqute2 is now being used solely as a preamp being fed by a NDX/UnitiServe.  Power comes from the delightful NAP100 and speakers are the amazing ProAc Tablet 10's.  No speaker this small has any business making this much bass.  It is remarkable how involving and dynamic the 10's are.  Even a recording engineer buddy of mine was impressed and helped me position for the speakers (he has remarkable listening skills).  

I've also added a bunch of Vicoustic room treatments which have tamed the space.  

Next step is to replace the UnitiQute2 and NDX with a 272.  I'll stop there ;-)  

 

Original Post

I envy the luxury of being able to have a hifi system at work! 

For the work I do at home, in a previous house I had an 'office', which doubled as a hobbies room, but couldn't afford to double up and have a hifi system in there as well as the music room. When I last moved I changed that, and in a larger music room I now have plenty of space for a desk, which sits behind the main seating/listening area, which whilst not in the "sweet spot" is great for having music while I do other things. The disadvantage is that sometimes I lose myself in tne music and don't get on with what I'm supposed to be doing!

james n posted:

Very nice Chris. Quick question, what make are the stands under the 10's ?

Thanks

James

 

Custom Design CS104 Signature.

I use the same stands under a pair of SP2s, they replaced a pair of Partington Super Dreadnought, and are an improvement over the Partingtons as they give a more 'lively' presentation without loosing coherence or detail.  They do need all the screw threads to be done up really tight though!

Hungryhalibut posted:

I read somewhere that the best stands for the Tablette 10 is one formerly made by Target, with four thick square legs and really heavy. Bryston now supply something exactly the same apparently. 

Bryston 'MR' for 'Maximum Rigidity' apparently.

G

Huge posted:
james n posted:

Very nice Chris. Quick question, what make are the stands under the 10's ?

Thanks

James

 

Custom Design CS104 Signature.

I use the same stands under a pair of SP2s, they replaced a pair of Partington Super Dreadnought, and are an improvement over the Partingtons as they give a more 'lively' presentation without loosing coherence or detail.  They do need all the screw threads to be done up really tight though!

FS104 Signature seems to be on their website but I'm not sure I see a baseplate dimension that fits unless it's the  (New) optional 150 x 180 x 4mm?

G

"The disadvantage is that sometimes I lose myself in the music and don't get on with what I'm supposed to be doing!"

That is EXACTLY my problem with music while I work - I am a pretty active listener most of the time, so I find it distracting from what I am trying to concentrate on. I don't seem to have the ability to treat it as "background noise"...maybe I am just ADD.

Slammin' little system there Chris Bell...

Good to know.  Thanks.  

Easy decision - ask Chris West to rebuild it.  It'll put another 20 years of tread back on the tire, operationally and cosmetically.  I just got a CB Nait2 from an auction site in the U.K. and he's rebuilding it for me.  I figured as long as he's doing the voltage conversion I may as well ask him to do the full monty.

Did I need the Nait2?  No.  Is it a luxury?  Yes.  I have a living room system and an office system that are very satisfying.  But, the Nait2 is one of Naim's most iconic products and it's a one box representation of the incredible sound from that era, which is my favorite era, and it's not a ton of money.  

 I previously had an olive Nait2 and got rid of it because I didn't need it.  I realized in hindsight it was a mistake.  One of my big hifi revelations was with a Nait2.  Products that lead to revelations should probably be retained.  There's just nothing else like it.   I figure I'll keep it on hand.  Maybe a long-term "use case" will pop up soon.  If not, it's something to use when I have my other amps rebuilt on a short-term basis.  If my kids get into hifi at some point it'll be the anchor for a good first system for them.  It's kind of like investing.  Good things happen with good assets.  Good things seem to happen with the Nait2.  

If you have it rebuilt and then try to sell it you won't get all of your money out of it, but then again if you sell it before a rebuild you won't get full value either because it needs  a recapping.

Just my 2 cents.

 

Chris Bell posted:

A few (major) changes since my last post.  The Klipsch's are gone... they did some interesting things but were flawed and had to go back.  

The Unitiqute2 is now being used solely as a preamp being fed by a NDX/UnitiServe.  Power comes from the delightful NAP100 and speakers are the amazing ProAc Tablet 10's.  No speaker this small has any business making this much bass.  It is remarkable how involving and dynamic the 10's are.  Even a recording engineer buddy of mine was impressed and helped me position for the speakers (he has remarkable listening skills).  

I've also added a bunch of Vicoustic room treatments which have tamed the space.  

Next step is to replace the UnitiQute2 and NDX with a 272.  I'll stop there ;-)  

 

Chris..i heard ProAc Tablet 10 twenty years ago, probably the first generation and I will never forget the awesome impression he left to me but it was not with naim system, it was with some tube electronics amplifier

Huge posted:
james n posted:

Very nice Chris. Quick question, what make are the stands under the 10's ?

Thanks

James

 

Custom Design CS104 Signature.

I use the same stands under a pair of SP2s, they replaced a pair of Partington Super Dreadnought, and are an improvement over the Partingtons as they give a more 'lively' presentation without loosing coherence or detail.  They do need all the screw threads to be done up really tight though!

Hi

I am using the  CS104 stands with my Proac SD1s.  I filled the centre column  with sand, but left the four outer supports empty.  I wonder if anyone has found it worthwhile filling them?

 

David

magicia posted:

Hi

I am using the  CS104 stands with my Proac SD1s.  I filled the centre column  with sand, but left the four outer supports empty.  I wonder if anyone has found it worthwhile filling them?

 

David

I filled the centre about 80% with a mixture of small granite chips and mafeic sand.  I have the satellite columns about 30% filled with the same mixture to reduce the slight ringing colouration.

Thank you. I have noticed a pinging sound when I tap the outer columns, but am not sure if or how this would affect the sound.  I wonder if there could be a resonance between similar frequencies in the music.   

I will try 30% sand and see if it makes a difference.

David

 

Chris Bell posted:

.  .  .  Next step is to replace the UnitiQute2 and NDX with a 272.  I'll stop there ;-)  

Chris,

I think your NDX may be letting the UQ2 down --  Try the NDX through a Naim DAC/555 > 552 into the Qute, before you write the Qute off.  

I know of what I speak.  The Qute is a whale of an integrated amp.

(OK.  Not practical for an off-site office; but if a long wire is an option, try it!)

Nick

I filled all five of the posts with sand.  Started with the center column and after a few days of listening filled the remaining smaller posts.  Bass improved nicely overall, still can't believe the performance of the ProAc Tablet 10's.  In some ways they put my larger Titan's to shame.  Makes me wonder how the larger three way ProAc's sound?  

Also put an AV Options cryo'd power cable (the basic one) on the Unitiquite.  This opened up the sound nicely... need to order more for the NDX and NAP100.  Such a great and cheap upgrade.  

"In some ways they put my larger Titan's to shame".

Praise indeed Chris. A Kan for the modern age it would seem from the many positive reports I read about the Tab 10's. There are precious few good sealed-box loudspeakers designed for practical placement on the market.

Like the early (and best) Kans, Tab 10's seem to produce balanced and tuneful bass which belies their size.

Enjoy.

John.

A friend kindly loaned me a 3.5m pair of SL cables.  Sadly too short for the home system but perfect length for the humble office system.  Result?  Crazytown. There's so much detail and bass with the Super Lumina cables, even when the amp is the humble NAP100.  Great synergy with the ProAc Tablets. This was my first time trying out SL cable and I can say it is worth the staggering price.  

Coming back to this thread as I am trying to convince my wife to let me put a small system in our lounge room.

I was considering the all in one KEF LS50 Wireless however in reality the ProAc's are smaller - and will most likely sound much better on the end of a new Atom (ha ha) - which is finally ROON ready!

Do the new ProAc's really need to be on dedicated stands?  Is there anything more wife friendly which do not look like a full system - otherwise she will simply tell me to go to my listening room and listen to my Titan's!

Out of curiosity I dusted off my pair of ProAc SuperTablettes from 1985.  The new 10's are only 1.5" taller and 1" wider however they are 5 inches less deep!!

In the photo below they are sitting on a pair of plastic Starck designed Kartel stools however guess what - the lids come off and it looks like I could fill them with sand.

Does anyone have some other creative solutions which will allow me to get a system into this room and avoid dedicated stands?

Best

Gregg

Hang them from the ceiling on near- invisible cords. 

Alternatively if you put them on those stands, get a pair of oversized black flowerpots that the speakers will fit inside, cut out one side so the speaker front fitaps flush with the edges of the hole, then find or make narrow pots to fit inside the overside pot at the sides of the speakers, planted with some suitable plants - something trailing but not dense that will lightly cover the outside of the overside pot and speaker front.

 

glevethan posted:

Coming back to this thread as I am trying to convince my wife to let me put a small system in our lounge room.

I was considering the all in one KEF LS50 Wireless however in reality the ProAc's are smaller - and will most likely sound much better on the end of a new Atom (ha ha) - which is finally ROON ready!

Do the new ProAc's really need to be on dedicated stands?  Is there anything more wife friendly which do not look like a full system - otherwise she will simply tell me to go to my listening room and listen to my Titan's!

Out of curiosity I dusted off my pair of ProAc SuperTablettes from 1985.  The new 10's are only 1.5" taller and 1" wider however they are 5 inches less deep!!

In the photo below they are sitting on a pair of plastic Starck designed Kartel stools however guess what - the lids come off and it looks like I could fill them with sand.

Does anyone have some other creative solutions which will allow me to get a system into this room and avoid dedicated stands?

Best

Gregg

 

"trying to convince my wife to let me put a small system in our lounge room."

I don't understand ...

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