Rega Neo Turntable PSU for RP8?

The Rega RP8 comes supplied with its own TT-PSU but some suggest that the more recent Neo PSU (released with the Planar 6 and usable on all models above Planar 3 - except the RP10), may be better.

Apparently it is possible to finely adjust the running speed etc.

The Neo is supposed to be based on the PSU used for the 'top flight' RP10 - so is thought to be better than the one supplied with the RP8

Are there any RP8 uses who have tried the Neo Turntable PSU, in preference to its standard suppled power supply?

 

Original Post

Thanks ... but that isn't really what I was asking.

I'm interested to know who has tried it or actually got one and if so, is it noticeably better sound quality? Otherwise the additional outlay would be superfluous.

Incidentally, there is no way to contact Rega via email ... unless you have more details 

 

 

personally, it just costs 200GBP, i would take it if i had to buy the rp8.  It must improve speed stability , fluency and prat....but you are right, i have not heard and compared. I trust rega just.

I had before rega p3, regap25 and rega p9 , and had a lot of pleasure with them.  Today i have an sme 20 /2 with sme 5 but sometimes regret my ex p9 for its simplicity...

Mr Frog posted:

The Rega RP8 comes supplied with its own TT-PSU but some suggest that the more recent Neo PSU (released with the Planar 6 and usable on all models above Planar 3 - except the RP10), may be better.

Apparently it is possible to finely adjust the running speed etc.

The Neo is supposed to be based on the PSU used for the 'top flight' RP10 - so is thought to be better than the one supplied with the RP8

Are there any RP8 uses who have tried the Neo Turntable PSU, in preference to its standard suppled power supply?

 

Thanks for raising Mr. Frog. I have excactly the same query. I asked my dealer whether he thought it would be an improvement and the response was “probably not but it looks better”....

That said, I recall someone on here mentioning that it was superior sound-wise to the standard TTPS but can’t locate the quote right now.

Hooefully he or others can give some insight....

Regards

David

David ... I''m currently using a Planar 3/Elys2 with Rega Fono MM, but now plan to upgrade the turntable.

To that end, I've just ordered the Aria phono stage (so as not to hold back the performance of the turntable and cartridge).

With my lowly collection of 300 LP's, I'm not sure I could quite justify the RP10/Apheta2 (though the funds aren't the issue).

I've pretty much narrowed the choice down to either;

1. Linn LP12 Majik - though I understand that its internal Majik PSU isn't the best and the tonearm (Project) and moving magnet cartridge (Adikt) , may not produce the ultimate performance at this level. Also Peter from Cymbiosis is unlikely to visit New Zealand to make sure that it is set up properly. Can I really trust the Kiwi dealers to do an equivalent magical set up to match Peter's expertise! 

2. Rega RP8/Apheta2 - has the advantage of a moving coil cartridge, no 'infinite upgrade' doubts/wishes of the Linn hierarchy methodology. Simply plug and play and enjoy the music, without obsessing about the kit and next possible 'tweak'.

Unfortunately, in New Zealand I can't compare the two side by side - so have had to read endless reviews to support my experience, when auditioned at separate dealers.

The dealer claims that the Majik level LP12 will outperform any Rega ... though I'm not convinced!

3. Possibly RP10/Apheta2 - for the occasional LP listening sessions, can I really justify the outlay???

I intend to focus on digital sources for upgrades, so simply wanted a turntable to match the performance of my current source (Naim ND5xs/Chord Hugo) .... when listening to vinyl.

Out of interest, what made you choose the RP8, apart from its stunning looks   ?

Cheers

Mr. Frog - It was my first foray into vinyl. I did consider the LP12 but my concerns over keeping the set up optimal and the expense of never ending upgrade options steered my toward the RP8 which is essentially plug and play. Also, at that stage I didn’t really know if vinyl was going to grab me.  With the Apheta 2, Aria and upgraded Chord Chorus Reference interconnect the RP8 does sound lovely to my ears and, as time goes on, I’m finding myself listening to vinyl more than streaming through my 272. 

I’d consider a collection of 300 records very impressive and more than adequate to justify a turntable of the quality of the RP8 or the RP10. If you are able to justify the cost of the RP10 I’d go for that and you are done; no need to think about whether you should have stretched to it above the RP8. I’ve no doubt that, good as the RP8 is, the RP10 is on another level particularly with the power supply that doesn’t need to rely on the wall wart that the TTPS on the RP8 has.

I may well progress to the RP10 is the future but for now I’m very happy with what the RP8 gives me.

Hope that helps. Keep us updated!

Regards

David

Well, on my visit to the Rega factory just before Christmas, we spent some time looking at the new Neo PSU.  I was given a motor powered from the standard PSU to hold in my hand; you could feel a fair bit of vibration from the motor.  I was then given an identical motor but this time powered from a new Neo PSU that had been tuned to that particular motor;  the reduction in vibration was quite remarkable. When you consider that, in spite of the rubber belt offering some decoupling, some of that vibration will be transmitted to the platter, any reduction must bring big gains.  I'd imagine that with the Neo PSU in play, the gap between the RP8 and RP10 is narrowed somewhat.  For such a reasonable sum of money, for anyone running a 24V motor it would appear to be a "no-brainer" upgrade...

Hi Richard

That sounds interesting and very promising regarding improvements to the RP8 - closing the gap in performance.

Out of interest, did you compare the RP8 to the RP10 before getting yours and did you find a ‘night and day’ difference between the two at all?

 

 

No, I didn't do a back to back comparison between RP8 and RP10.  

FWIW the main differences are down to the power supply, the platter, and the arm, all else being effectively the same, including the superb bearing.  If I felt that the RP10 was too far a stretch financially then I would likely take an RP10/Apheta2/Neo PSU without a moment's hesitation.  

I wouldn't advise you either way on the Linn v Rega decision - there are plenty of happy owners of both so I doubt you would go wrong. I did have one thought though - that you might ask on the Linn forums whether anyone there has experience of your NZ Linn dealer. You might get some perspective on their ability to set up and maintain an LP12.

Mr Frog posted:

The Rega RP8 comes supplied with its own TT-PSU but some suggest that the more recent Neo PSU (released with the Planar 6 and usable on all models above Planar 3 - except the RP10), may be better.

Apparently it is possible to finely adjust the running speed etc.

The Neo is supposed to be based on the PSU used for the 'top flight' RP10 - so is thought to be better than the one supplied with the RP8

Are there any RP8 uses who have tried the Neo Turntable PSU, in preference to its standard suppled power supply?

 

I believe the Neo is now standard shipped with RP8

I would however hold breathe another week until Rega reveal their (rumour) very latest new turntable

If anyone is interested, here is an update;

I've just replaced my Rega Fono MM (Mk1) phono stage, with a new Aria - which I'm now using with my existing Planar 3/Elys 2.

Wow ... it has made a significant improvement to the sound from my vinyl - definitely "night and day"

It even makes this turntable sound pretty damn good 

I guess this shows that my ageing phono stage, must have somehow been holding back the performance of the Planar 3. I guess it's the latest R&D, which contributes toward the awesome improvement in sound quality ...... though, with its factory fitted Elys 2 cartridge, the Planar 3 does sound particularly bright at times.

In respect of upgrades, I am no longer impressed by those small incremental improvements (law  of diminishing returns), but prefer to seek out those 'night and day' changes to the sound.

From my perspective, I can confirm that the Aria is definitely in that arena and ticks all the boxes.

I now just need to make a decision in respect of the turntable - Rega RP8 (or indeed RP10) with Apheta 2 cartridge or perhaps Linn LP12 - though this would be Majik level. The idea of continual upgrading at significant costs, for incremental changes to the sound, doesn't really appeal.

As it stands (though things may change), I am favouring the RP8 but want to wait and see what is announced/released by Rega at the Bristol Show, before making a purchase.

After all, I wouldn't want to buy the RP8 this week , only to find that Rega release a Planar 8 to replace it 

 

 

Good move Mr Frog. The Aria is the perfect foil for the RP8 especially with Apheta 2 and I understand that it’s more than capable as a partner for the RP10. So, whatever you decide to do, you’ll be well positioned to get the most out of your vinyl. I too will be interested to hear what Rega announce at Bristol. I suspect that it will be a high end reference TT rather than a RP8 replacement but you are very sensible to wait to see.

Regards

David

I think the original question was basically - is the Neo better than the older PSUs and does it make a significant difference?

Answers - yes and yes.

I just bought one for my RP6 and it's a night and day improvement.... to the extent that I'm not going to be upgrading to a different t/t, 6 or 8. At the moment!

ChrisSU posted:
French Rooster posted:

the aria is even better with an mc cartridge....perhaps with a relatively good mc cart you will have no need for more.....

RP8 first, I think!

the rp8 comes with apheta 2 or alone.  I don’t feel that rega cartridges are among the best....I would personally bought a lyra delos , instead of apheta 2.  If the rega p3/ delos or apheta/aria is not enough for occasional hearing, and at the level of nd5xs /hugo, then the op will have only to buy the rp8.

Salmon Dave posted:

I think the original question was basically - is the Neo better than the older PSUs and does it make a significant difference?

Answers - yes and yes.

I just bought one for my RP6 and it's a night and day improvement.... to the extent that I'm not going to be upgrading to a different t/t, 6 or 8. At the moment!

Have you made any other tweaks to the RP6 as well - specifically groove tracer upgrades?

Salmon Dave posted:

I think the original question was basically - is the Neo better than the older PSUs and does it make a significant difference?

Answers - yes and yes.

I just bought one for my RP6 and it's a night and day improvement.... to the extent that I'm not going to be upgrading to a different t/t, 6 or 8. At the moment!

Surprice me, "night and day" changing a TT psu would never have crossed my mind tbh

But nice to know

Robiwan posted:

I bought a cheap Pro-Ject Essential II TT with Ortofon OM5E mm cart just to play some records now and then, but it gives me more vinyl pleasure than ever before with Rega's, SL1200's, Audio Technica's or the LP12.

Shock news !!

Cheaper TT beats all comers !!

 

Japtimscarlet posted:
Robiwan posted:

I bought a cheap Pro-Ject Essential II TT with Ortofon OM5E mm cart just to play some records now and then, but it gives me more vinyl pleasure than ever before with Rega's, SL1200's, Audio Technica's or the LP12.

Shock news !!

Cheaper TT beats all comers !!

 

yes to me it does. It plays remarkable good. Solid, open, full, PRAT and almost no sibilance (album Kick from INXS is ultimate testcase).

The Rega website says that they will have new products at next weekend’s Bristol show (see the “Come and see us at ....” post on their website). Clearly this is not even remotely near New Zealand but it is worth seeing what is announced. Rega has recently updated the Plannar 1, 2, 3 and 6. Updates to the 8 and 10 are presumably in the pipeline, albeit waiting for upgrades can sometimes leave you waiting a very long time.

hastings posted:

Have you made any other tweaks to the RP6 as well - specifically groove tracer upgrades?

Yes, the Groovetracer subplatter, as well as the heavier Rega counterweight plus metal spacer.

Really needs a good MC cart now but I'll take another listen to the Ania....

NathanJ posted:

The Rega website says that they will have new products at next weekend’s Bristol show (see the “Come and see us at ....” post on their website). Clearly this is not even remotely near New Zealand but it is worth seeing what is announced. Rega has recently updated the Plannar 1, 2, 3 and 6. Updates to the 8 and 10 are presumably in the pipeline, albeit waiting for upgrades can sometimes leave you waiting a very long time.

My thoughts exactly

It can't possible be the entry and midlevels allready 

so either a new Planar 9 to replace 8 or 10 but most likely a higher level, Planar 12 perhaps

Otoh it could be revised MM cartridges or possible a streamer !

 

I tried the Neo this afternoon on my RP8 replacing the 6 year old MK1 TTPS that I’ve always used with it.

The first thing I did was check the speed of the TT using the Rega recommended iPhone app. With the existing TTPS it was running at 33.89rpm which is well outside the recommended tolerance.

 I then plugged in the Neo. First thing of note; absolute silence in comparison to the whirring noise I’ve always had with my RP8 on start up.

The speed was 33.83rpm so I adjusted it using the Neo’s mechanism and supplied key. I got to to 33.33rpm and then played a record; John Martyn Solid Air.

A very significant improvement in terms of presentation and natural flow of the music. Much tighter deeper bass and just much more enjoyable than what I’ve been used to with the RP8 (not that it has ever been disappointing).

In my opinion the Neo is well worth adding to the RP8 if only for the speed adjustment facility. The performance uplift is really something.

I may well upgrade the TT belt to the Rega white  one as my RP8 (being one of the early models) has the brown belt and they recommend refreshing it every five years.

Regards

David

 

Perol posted:

Surprice me, "night and day" changing a TT psu would never have crossed my mind tbh

But nice to know

Well, those of us who've been using and following turntable development for 40 odd (very odd) years will remember the excitement generated by various Linn power supplies in the 80s, the Michell HR psu later, etc. The newer Rega ones have been subtle improvements but this one definitely imposes a very tight control over timing and seems to have other benefits.

And a couple of decades ago, Paul Messenger was so impressed by the original P9 PSU that he modified one to use on his LP12 instead of a Lingo...

NathanJ posted:

The Rega website says that they will have new products at next weekend’s Bristol show (see the “Come and see us at ....” post on their website). Clearly this is not even remotely near New Zealand but it is worth seeing what is announced. Rega has recently updated the Plannar 1, 2, 3 and 6. Updates to the 8 and 10 are presumably in the pipeline, albeit waiting for upgrades can sometimes leave you waiting a very long time.

I read somewhere it seem to be a stroboscope used for adjusting the Neo, perhaps more in the pipeline ?

There is a free iPhone app which you can use as an alternative to the Rega stobascooe product. Search Philip Broder RPM. Rega say they have tested it and that they are happy that it is accurate although there may be variations due to the gyroscope in the iPhone itself. 

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