Sonore micro rendu- dlna vs roon

Iconoclast posted:
Hmack posted:

For anyone who is interested, I have just carried out a very brief comparison of the MicroRendu/Hugo vs the Linn Klimax Renew DS on my main system, having already posted that I prefer the microRendu/Hugo to the ND5XS/TPXPS in my 2nd system.

This time round, on admittedly a very short listening session, my initial finding is that I prefer the presentation of the Klimax Renew DS - a more solid, dynamic and musical presentation to my ears on this system. One thing to note is that in this system, I had to turn the volume control significantly higher on the Hugo than the turquoise setting I normally use on my 2nd system. I'm not sure if this contributed to my findings. The microRendu did, however. perform flawlessly with both local and Tidal sources when controlled by the Windows 10 version of Kazoo I use for this system.

I am going to wait for my TP 7v supply to arrive before carrying out a more extensive comparison.  

The Hugo could have more to do with the presentation than the mR. Too bad there are no digital outputs on the Klimax, you could hook it up to the Hugo and compare.

Yes - it would have been nice to try hooking the Hugo up to the Klimax, but unfortunately not possible.

I will carry out some more listening tests after I get my TP power supply and a decent USB cable. Hopefully, they will have a worthwhile impact on the SQ of the microRendu/Hugo. 

Hmack posted:

I do have a TP 7v supply on order, which I would expect to improve the SQ of the microRendu, and I may also source a 'decent' reasonably priced USB cable (possibly Audioquest Cinnamon).  

The microRendu has a Uptone Audio Regen build in. The recommendation is to not use a USB cable but use a hard connector instead to keep the distance between the two USB ports to the absolute minimum. If you must use a cable, keep it as short as possible (8-10 cm / 3-4 inch). I have my microRendu connected to my Hugo with a hard connector. This works when you have them lying down.

PepsiCan posted:
Hmack posted:

I do have a TP 7v supply on order, which I would expect to improve the SQ of the microRendu, and I may also source a 'decent' reasonably priced USB cable (possibly Audioquest Cinnamon).  

The microRendu has a Uptone Audio Regen build in. The recommendation is to not use a USB cable but use a hard connector instead to keep the distance between the two USB ports to the absolute minimum. If you must use a cable, keep it as short as possible (8-10 cm / 3-4 inch). I have my microRendu connected to my Hugo with a hard connector. This works when you have them lying down.

PepsiCan,

Where did you obtain the hard connector? That's something I would like to try. 

Brubacca posted:

Connector was in my box with the mR. Check your packaging. 

Just checked my mR box and there was indeed a connector. Unfortunately, it was a USB type A to USB Type B connecter so won't fit the Hugo which requires a micro USB connector.

Did you get a Type A to Micro USB connector in your box?

Innocent Bystander posted:

Out of interest, is it effectively just a back-to-back USB plug? I don't know why, but I had pictured the mR being like a plug-in USB device, a bit like a large memory stick.

With a powercord and LAN cable it's too heavy for direct connection like a USB plug...some folks use a small pillar or something out of legos or wood under mR. I use a USB cable..

 

The hard adaptor is there for convince only I think. No way for me to balance the mR back of my V1 so never used it. Just get a decent USB cable and be done with it. There's no special sauce in the hard adaptor and many have said bespoke USB cables sound better. I'm using a fairly inexpensive Atlas Hyper and have nothing to complain about. 

A follow-up to my previous posts about the Sonore microRendu:

For any of you who might be interested, the Teddy Pardo 7v power supply I ordered for use with my microRendu arrived a couple of days ago, and I have been re-evaluating my opinion of the microRendu/TP power supply/Hugo vs both my ND5XS/non-Naim PSU/Hugo in my AV system and my Linn Klimax Renew DX in my main system.

I now wish I had not submitted my earlier review of the Rendu using the cheap iFi power supply, and my conclusion now is that if you decide to purchase the microRendu, then do not purchase the iFi power supply (even as a stopgap). Order a decent power supply such as the Teddy Pardo 7/2 (which I purchased) or the SBooster which has been reviewed very favourably elsewhere. The addition of a good power supply makes a big difference to the sound quality of the unit, adding significantly to the weight and authority of music played through the device, and with a 7v rather than 9v power supply, the unit also runs much cooler than before.

My previous findings were that I preferred (but not overwhelmingly) the Rendu/Hugo to my ND5XS/non-Naim PSU/Hugo, but that I preferred the Linn Klimax Renew DS in my main system to the Rendu/Hugo.

My revised opinion is that the Rendu/Teddy Pardo 7/2 /Hugo is significantly better all round than the ND5XS/non-Naim PSU/Hugo. The lean sound that put me off a little whilst using the iFi power supply has gone, and there is a much weightier, more solid bass and mid-range without sacrificing the 'air' between individual instruments. It is now simply both 'better' and more enjoyable to boot.

My revised opinion of the Rendu/Teddy Pardo 7/2 /Hugo vs the Linn Klimax Renew is that the Rendu/Hugo and Klimax do sound subtly different, and I had to think carefully about which was better. After extended listening to some of the tracks I use as a reference, I now have to say that the Rendu/TP/Hugo now also sounds 'better' than the Klimax Renew DS in my main system. Again, there appears to be a little more resolution of fine detail than with the Klimax, and this time the weight, authority and dynamism of the Rendu/TP/Hugo combination at least matches, if not betters that of the Klimax Renew (which has the upgraded 'Dynamic' power supply) .

I now have absolutely no qualms about recommending the microRendu, as long as you partner it with a decent DAC and power supply. I can add that the network performance of the microRendu  is now rock solid in my system. Now I know there are issues with access to Tidal or Qobuz when using IOS, I now use:

Kazoo on my iPad for local NAS based music access, and Lumin on my iPad for access to Tidal services. Alternatively, I can use Kazoo on my Windows 10 devices for access to both.

I will be replacing my ND5XS and non-Naim PSU in my AV system with the microRendu and TP 7/2. It's now a no-brainer for me.

Remember, if you buy the microRendu, make sure you budget for a decent power supply.  

         

Hmack posted:

A follow-up to my previous posts about the Sonore microRendu:

 

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I will be replacing my ND5XS and non-Naim PSU in my AV system with the microRendu and TP 7/2. It's now a no-brainer for me.

Remember, if you buy the microRendu, make sure you budget for a decent power supply.  

         

So far that outcome sounds similar to my experience with Audirvana on Mac Mini through Gustard to Hugo. If anyone has them, I would be most interested in a comparison of the same (i.e.  MM/Aud/Gus) vs mR+TP7/2 as it may be that they are achieving the same thing, in their different ways (though MM includes the music store, and no network between) 

Mr Underhill posted:

I was told the Sbooster would be with me a week ago, I am now getting somewhat eager for it to arrive.

Thx for the feedback.

M

I'm sure you won't be disappointed when it arrives. I did consider the SBooster, but was told it wouldn't be available until early to mid September. The TP arrived more quickly than I had expected, and for me has a couple of advantages. I have used TP products successfully in the past, so I was pretty confident that the performance would be up to scratch, and not completely irrelevant, the TP looks much nicer sitting in a hi-fi rack than the SBooster.

Mind you, I haven't seen a bad review of the Sbooster, so (apart from looks ) I'm sure it will be a superb upgrade for the microRendu.    

marcusman posted:

Thanks for the review HMack. I'm thinking about the microRendu with the Naim DAC or the 2Qute

Marcusman,

I'm sure the microRendu would be great with either.

Just one thing though. is the NDAC a USB dac, or would you have to go with the DAC V1?

Marcusman,

Never heard the V1, owned the nDac for a number of years and thoroughly enjoyed it, especially with a PSU. If you want to use it then I am using a Gustard U12, this is a USB/SPDIF convertor with an onboard LPSU, I am very impressed with it, and it is a very reasonable price.

There are a few similarly priced convertors available that can be researched.

M

Hi Marcusman,

I have done a few posts on the 105D, it is excellent. For me best results were gained by:

Connecting using the balanced XLRs;
Turn off the video card;
Via audio setup set the output to fixed;
Via audio setup set the output to stereo (downmix).

I also enjoyed using the 105D via the Gustard, which I think was an improvement.

Ultimately my Bel Canto is better to my ears, but the 105D is more 'obviously' detailed & perhaps dynamic.

I would expect the Naim to win out for you ---- but I don't think these things are simple or straightforward, and system dependent.

M

Isn't this just typical!

My AV system now sounds much better than ever before with my new microRendu and TP power supply, and I was looking forward to an extended listening session this morning. So what happens?

Everything was fine last night, but this morning discovered that none of my streamers could connect to my Synology NAS, and my Synology NAS Assistant could also not connect to the NAS. Tried a reboot, only to find that the NAS would not reboot, and that the dreaded 'constantly flashing blue LED' reared its ugly head. This is symptomatic of a hardware failure of some sort, so contacted Synology Support for advice. Their advice was to try booting up the NAS with no hard drives in place. I encountered the same constantly flashing blue LED which apparently indicates (that the problem probably liew with the Synology motherboard rather than the WD drives.

So, I have raised a ticket with Synology and await their advice.

So annoying, but at least the Olympic events are available to distract me, and I can still listen to Radio Paradise on my Muso QB, or Tidal services via my streamers. Life is still bearable after all!

Now, if I have to replace my NAS, I wonder if my WD Red drives can simply be slotted into my new Synology NAS? Obviously I couldn't do this on a Windows PC, but if the operating system is installed on NAS firmware (or is it?), would I be able to simply slot the disks into a new Synology NAS? 

RobH posted:
You have my sympathy, any additional backups?

Thanks Rob,

Yes, I do have a backup (updated regularly) which my brother keeps for me at a different location.

However, in this case I am pretty sure that the WD Drives (mirrored) are ok, so I should be able to get my stuff (music, videos and photos) directly from them.

I may actually take this opportunity to tidy things up, retain my NAS for just music, and move my home videos and photos to a second NAS.

    

Hmack posted:
marcusman posted:

Thanks for the review HMack. I'm thinking about the microRendu with the Naim DAC or the 2Qute

Marcusman,

I'm sure the microRendu would be great with either.

Just one thing though. is the NDAC a USB dac, or would you have to go with the DAC V1?

Hi marcusman,

I'm using the microrendu with a 2Qute and can confirm the combination is for me providing the best digital replay I've experienced at home.

I'm currently using the el-cheapo switcher PSU's and intend to replace them with either 7v Teddy Pardo's or the equivalent from MCRU. Therefore much more to come I hope.

 

Paulebarrow posted:
Hmack posted:
marcusman posted:

Thanks for the review HMack. I'm thinking about the microRendu with the Naim DAC or the 2Qute

Marcusman,

I'm sure the microRendu would be great with either.

Just one thing though. is the NDAC a USB dac, or would you have to go with the DAC V1?

Hi marcusman,

I'm using the microrendu with a 2Qute and can confirm the combination is for me providing the best digital replay I've experienced at home.

I'm currently using the el-cheapo switcher PSU's and intend to replace them with either 7v Teddy Pardo's or the equivalent from MCRU. Therefore much more to come I hope.

 

Paul,

I can confirm that the performance improves greatly with the TP 7v power supply. No doubt it will with other good supplies as well.

Hmack posted:

Now, if I have to replace my NAS, I wonder if my WD Red drives can simply be slotted into my new Synology NAS? Obviously I couldn't do this on a Windows PC, but if the operating system is installed on NAS firmware (or is it?), would I be able to simply slot the disks into a new Synology NAS? 

In principle, but things can can and do go wrong. I've done this 3 times (4 bay RS units)  and it only worked once. On the other two occasions I needed to restore the original data from backup. It's one of the reasons I run a nightly backup.

Regarding the operating system. Each DS/RS is a bit different, but in general there is a boot loader on internal flash in each unit. When disks are installed, the DS/RS will boot and upon initialisation create a 2GB partition on one or more disks to store the OS and it's packages.

This is one reason why swapping disks in to a new unit can be hit and miss. If there is a mismatch between the OS - on the disks - and or the boot loader version on the internal flash of the DS/RS your old disks can be rejected.

From your profile I see you are running 2 bay unit. If things go wrong and if your disks are formatted with EXT4 and you are using RAID 1 - mirroring - then you could access the data by mounting either of the disks/volumes on a Linux machine or a Virtual Machine. OS X doesn't support EXT4 natively and I assume Windows is the same. This would allow you to copy the data to another drive. This is quite handy if you want to copy the data to a computer or switch NAS units or brands after a failure.

This is also a good reason; there are others, not to use Synology Hybrid Raid. If you use the standard RAID modes you have a better chance of recovering or reconstructing data after a hardware failure.

Paulebarrow posted:
Hmack posted:
marcusman posted:

Thanks for the review HMack. I'm thinking about the microRendu with the Naim DAC or the 2Qute

Marcusman,

I'm sure the microRendu would be great with either.

Just one thing though. is the NDAC a USB dac, or would you have to go with the DAC V1?

Hi marcusman,

I'm using the microrendu with a 2Qute and can confirm the combination is for me providing the best digital replay I've experienced at home.

I'm currently using the el-cheapo switcher PSU's and intend to replace them with either 7v Teddy Pardo's or the equivalent from MCRU. Therefore much more to come I hope.

 

Hi

Had you used any other link between the DAC? Uptone Regen or Intona? Wondered if there was 'another' step up from these

Hmack posted:
Paulebarrow posted:
Hmack posted:
marcusman posted:

Thanks for the review HMack. I'm thinking about the microRendu with the Naim DAC or the 2Qute

Marcusman,

I'm sure the microRendu would be great with either.

Just one thing though. is the NDAC a USB dac, or would you have to go with the DAC V1?

Hi marcusman,

I'm using the microrendu with a 2Qute and can confirm the combination is for me providing the best digital replay I've experienced at home.

I'm currently using the el-cheapo switcher PSU's and intend to replace them with either 7v Teddy Pardo's or the equivalent from MCRU. Therefore much more to come I hope.

 

Paul,

I can confirm that the performance improves greatly with the TP 7v power supply. No doubt it will with other good supplies as well.

Thanks

Mr THX posted:
Paulebarrow posted:
Hmack posted:
marcusman posted:

Thanks for the review HMack. I'm thinking about the microRendu with the Naim DAC or the 2Qute

Marcusman,

I'm sure the microRendu would be great with either.

Just one thing though. is the NDAC a USB dac, or would you have to go with the DAC V1?

Hi marcusman,

I'm using the microrendu with a 2Qute and can confirm the combination is for me providing the best digital replay I've experienced at home.

I'm currently using the el-cheapo switcher PSU's and intend to replace them with either 7v TP or the equivalent from MCRU. Therefore much more to come I hope.

 

Hi

Had you used any other link between the DAC? Uptone Regen or Intona? Wondered if there was 'another' step up from these

No but I understand the microRendu has the Regen circuitry built in but a refined version.

marcusman posted:

@Former Member  BTW looks like you have the system I'm aiming for.  

I can recommend the combination without hesitation and that's with the el chepo switchers!

I'm looking forward to replacing them with linear PSU's when funds allow and anticipate a significant step forward from an already happy place!  

GregW posted:
Hmack posted:

Now, if I have to replace my NAS, I wonder if my WD Red drives can simply be slotted into my new Synology NAS? Obviously I couldn't do this on a Windows PC, but if the operating system is installed on NAS firmware (or is it?), would I be able to simply slot the disks into a new Synology NAS? 

In principle, but things can can and do go wrong. I've done this 3 times (4 bay RS units)  and it only worked once. On the other two occasions I needed to restore the original data from backup. It's one of the reasons I run a nightly backup.

Regarding the operating system. Each DS/RS is a bit different, but in general there is a boot loader on internal flash in each unit. When disks are installed, the DS/RS will boot and upon initialisation create a 2GB partition on one or more disks to store the OS and it's packages.

This is one reason why swapping disks in to a new unit can be hit and miss. If there is a mismatch between the OS - on the disks - and or the boot loader version on the internal flash of the DS/RS your old disks can be rejected.

From your profile I see you are running 2 bay unit. If things go wrong and if your disks are formatted with EXT4 and you are using RAID 1 - mirroring - then you could access the data by mounting either of the disks/volumes on a Linux machine or a Virtual Machine. OS X doesn't support EXT4 natively and I assume Windows is the same. This would allow you to copy the data to another drive. This is quite handy if you want to copy the data to a computer or switch NAS units or brands after a failure.

This is also a good reason; there are others, not to use Synology Hybrid Raid. If you use the standard RAID modes you have a better chance of recovering or reconstructing data after a hardware failure.

According to the very knowledgeable sounding support chap I spoke to at Synology, I ought to be able to insert my WD drives straight into a replacement NAS and access my data with very little intervention, and no danger of data loss. I certainly hope this turns out to be the case, although I do have a backup as a safeguard.

I'm pretty impressed by the level of service given by Synology. Although my NAS is out of warranty they have offered to re-flash the ROM on the motherboard in the hope that this resolves the problem, and they will do this free of charge. Of course it may turn out to be a hardware problem, in which case I will just have to purchase a new NAS. I have ordered a new NAS in any case, because I intend to run with 2 NAS drives from now on. One dedicated to my music collection, and the other for my photos and home videos.

Thank goodness for Tidal in the meantime.

I also have to say that the microRendu/TP 7/2 and Chord Hugo is sounding better and better. I am extremely impressed, and would now unreservedly recommend the Rendu (with good power supply - this definitely excludes the iFi) to anyone who is considering it for their own system.    

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