Synology DSM 6.1

Synology released DSM 6.1 yesterday, & put into the auto release hopper overnight & it should auto-update this morning or anytime now if you have you system set to do so,  if not, you need to get a copy from their "Support" web page to manually load.    The new stuff is all Synology OS features, business & security related, nothing much for music/audio replay functions.     A minor change is in 'File  Services', to enable Windows Explorer & Mac Finder views on your PC/Mac, the 'File View' check box is now renamed 'SMB' & when enabled it opens up the familiar Windows Explorer & Mac Finder screen views.       

Also released prior to DSM 6.1 were new revisions of Media Server & Search to enable them to work better with DSM 6.1,  that said the old versions worked OK on 6.1 beta & RC,  whatever its best to have everything set to auto-update - fit & forget.      

If you find one of you usual programs (like Media Server or Minimserver) disappears from the web page desktop view when you restart with 6.1,  this has happened before so don't panic,  go to Package Centre, open the missing program,  touch the Actions button to 'Stop' (turn it off)  & then 'Running'  (restart)  

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Kacper posted:

  just uploaded a new version DSM 6.1

Goedenavond Kacper,  what UPnP media server software are you using  ???  Synology Media Server or Minimserver??

If Media Server have you installed the latest rev. Version: 1.7.0-2810  (released yesterday)  Did it install OK or like me, disappear until rebooted.   

If Minimserver how is it??  Synology made a point during beta testing of making it clear its up to Minimserver to ensure no problems & they cannot ensure all will be OK when DSM 6.1-15047 is released (today) 

Media Server stayed installed and restarted itself (at 1.7.0-2810) but stopped functioning instead...

HDD demand of the new system seems so high that after about 30s - 5min it just gives up and kills the stream.  Great result: the NAS is now FUBAR.

Huge,  don't understand - are you saying DSM 6.1 is installed & MS updated at the same time to 1.7.0.   HHD demand ??? are you saying RAM is O/L ???   Mine went frm ~26% to 20% & sometimes now goes down to 18-19% with 6.1,  CPU is now at 1-2% when nothing is going on.   I would go for a reboot & see what that changes.

I also see your DS115j is 32 bit & 256MB,  did Synology auto-update - i.e. Its pre- approved the update - or did you manually load it  ???   

MS updated previously but was still running after 6.1 install

RAM previously 25% ->   now 45% typical

CPU previously 15% - 25% ->   now 17% - 75% variable, some evidence of cycling.

Rebooted twice (from Web Admin client) and from front panel.  No change.

Now trying the wait and see approach (not fixed after 1.5 hours, but may still fix itself yet).

I just looked into DS115j & see DSM 6.1 is OK,  so interested to read what you find is the problem.

Re blood tests:  I'm a volunteer for a national (Oxford Uni) survey & give a sample of about 15 separate container bottles every year,  its taken out in one go via one needle & as each sample bottle contains a vacuum its a matter of seconds per sample to 'suck' out.    I hate the needle insert bit,  I'm a big wimp & can't watch.  But I'm more than happy doing just that & a lot worse to others.

Huge, I noticed this in the release notes -- perhaps this is pertinent? It could be that your NAS is re-indexing, or trying to re-index?

"Manual re-indexing is required for all files after upgrading to DSM 6.1. The file indexing service in Control Panel has been moved to the preference settings in Synology Universal Search."

Might well be the case,  I always manually run a reindex, irrespective of an auto-update or as I did with 6.1 a manual update.    

Re File indexing moving to Search,   Media Indexing is still in the Indexing Service folder in Control Panel

Mike-B posted:
Kacper posted:

  just uploaded a new version DSM 6.1

Goedenavond Kacper,  what UPnP media server software are you using  ???  Synology Media Server or Minimserver??

If Media Server have you installed the latest rev. Version: 1.7.0-2810  (released yesterday)  Did it install OK or like me, disappear until rebooted.   

If Minimserver how is it??  Synology made a point during beta testing of making it clear its up to Minimserver to ensure no problems & they cannot ensure all will be OK when DSM 6.1-15047 is released (today) 

Hi Mike,

I'm using media server (minimserver i have installed but don't use it). Yes I have installed the lates version. Some applications  disappeared, after server has been rebooted everything came back again. Music library was visible via naim app already before rebooting- immediately after installing the latest software.

Hi Adrian and Mike,

That's the first thing I did after the NAS came up.  I did it again 2 hours later, after the second re-boot, in case the first one had failed because the OS optimisation wasn't done.  Yes I did the media indexing, rather than the general file indexing.

I then uninstalled and reinstalled Media Server (and re-indexed it again!).

Another re-boot late last night and another this morning.

Still a brick

It can't even manage to keep the 272's buffer full with a 16/44.1 WAVE stream.

Looks like it's only good enough for MP3 now, but there again I'm not sure it's even good enough for that.

 

Oh yes, and the disk passes its internal SMART test, albeit with a lot of waiting for the OS to catch up.

Mike-B posted:

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Re blood tests:  I'm a volunteer for a national (Oxford Uni) survey & give a sample of about 15 separate container bottles every year,  its taken out in one go via one needle & as each sample bottle contains a vacuum its a matter of seconds per sample to 'suck' out.    I hate the needle insert bit,  I'm a big wimp & can't watch.  But I'm more than happy doing just that & a lot worse to others.

Unfortunately I'm a Marfan, so my veins sometimes collapse with the vacuum tubes.

How about trying another DSM 6.1 install ???  It might overwrite whatever is causing this.  

I would then contact Synology www Support - the UK office is MK - I've found them pretty good   (except non-comprehension over MS transcode downsample & gapless problems)  

The OS isn't downgradable - and that includes re-installs (and that's sheer stupidity).

OK, further observation.

It seems like the people who wrote this OS may be incompetent.

With the NAS at rest, the CPU activity cycles from 5% to 99% every few minutes, and the disk light shows an almost constant high level of activity.  My guess is that the OS was written for multi-core CPUs and gives appalling race error problems on single core devices rendering them useless.

 

Unfortunately for reasons of other things going on, unless I can find an alternative solution, this risks becoming an iminent threat to my mental health

Pretty sure the OS is downgradable - just not through the GUI.  If you google for 'synology assistant' and run it on your PC / Mac it'll scan your network, find the device and from there you can use that tool to install an OS.  It's usually used for bricked devices but should allow a downgrade. (interestingly, you can use it to install the Synology OS on other hardware, but that's another story)

The only fly in the ointment might be your data on the box, however good practice would suggest we all have backups of our NAS devices on another drive / volume stored elsewhere to restore from as / when / if things go awry... ;-) 

How long is it since you have upgraded? Maybe the system just needs a day or two to sort things up? The release notes say that after upgrading it can take an hour for the system to calm down. Maybe it takes a bit longer on a slower system depending on the number of files?

Eeek. I've upgraded my 214 (used only for backups) and am getting 2-7% CPU and 24% RAM (so that seems perfectly fine), though goodness only knows what it was before as every OS upgrade to date has been pretty seamless (thanks to people like Mike thoroughly testing them).

I'm sure the 415play (without which life is just a misery) will be fine, but I might just hold back a few days!

Hi Gary,  at the moment my DS214 runs 19 to 21% RAM.  When I updated on Monday it was 26 to 28%.   I've now 'Uninstalled' (back in the Package Centre) the programs I had to use for beta testing & now have only File Station, Media Server & Hyper Backup installed.  Search is also installed but you can't do anything with that.   I then ran a Restart (Reboot) & it recovered the RAM to around 20%,  CPU now its doing nothing is 0 to 2% 

After 22 hours now, still FUBAR.

Restarted the network: DNS, Switch, DHCP, Synology, 272.

No change, no improvement

Removed Media Server - Intermittent high CPU load reduced.

Finally worked out how to install an old Media Server (1.6.2)
      This one works: Music restored (Corelli Op6 currently playing); suicide risk abated.

I've found other people have had the same problem and I was right: The issue is confined to single core devices so almost certainly a threading / race error problem.  This is utter crap: this release simply cannot have been tested properly on single core devices; completely unfit for purpose.  Absolutely unforgivable disregard for their customers.

If it had been the OS I'd have totally given up on Synology and defected to QNAP, advising everyone else to do the same.

Hi Jon, then you have multi core CPUs, which is very likely (or you were just lucky!) - the monster will definitely be multi core, probably quad core.

But I've got music again OK now and I can start to drain the tension out of my head, so I just have to wait for a fixed 1.7.x media server release.

HI Kacper,  45% is not too much,  with other UPnP software its normal.  But you have the same DS214 as me so why is your RAM %% different    I know my NAS is normally 18 to 22%,  this might be because I only have packages running that are required to do the jobs I want.  File Station is a must have & can't be uninstalled,  Search is also locked.  My only other packages are Media Server & Hyper Backup,  & I could even uninstall Backup as I do that manually & its only needed to be running at that time.   I do not need (for example) Audio Station because I don't play my music from the web.   So maybe you need to take a look at what you have installed & consider if they are really needed to do what you need,  then I would Restart (reboot) the NAS if you haven't already done that after 6.1 install.

Right. The 415play has been updated.

Before you start you get a dire warning that Minimserver is not supported and will be disabled! Consulting the Minim forum, I was reassured by the message from Simon that if you're on 8.4.2 it'll be fine....and it is. 

http://forum.minimserver.com/s...p;pid=24873#pid24873

Some initially horrid CPU usage stats of ~99% soon calmed down to 2%. RAM usage at 50%.

Minim working fine.

Kacper posted:

Huge, thanks for your reply. I know that sometimes people are upgrading ram capacity at the nas servers but I'm not sure if those units require more ram capacity.

 

The main reasons for upgrading RAM are video transcoding or running a lot of 'always on' type applications on the NAS (there are also some other reasons, but audio isn't one of them).

Hi folks -

I'm now nearing "end of life" with a 213+: the new OS upgrade breaks MinimServer and Plex, neither of which are maintaining updates for the Qorl (PowerPC) engine. The OS updates continue (likely for at least two more years if history is a guide) so perhaps now is the time for me to buy an Intel device and divert the Qorl 213+ to backup duties only.

There was no notification of MediaStation breaking but I have not yet checked operation or functionality or processor impact. If I find issues (single core race conditions on multithreaded code as postulated above) I will post again.

I have a different view than Mike-B re: enabling automatic updates for "fit and forget", and the reasons become more important as things age...not that I'm advising anyone to change settings, but perhaps alerting folks to the possibility of aggravation when an update you may not desire gets a one-way installation on your system (cf recent one-way firmware updates on Asus and other routers that add restrictions which can break "normal" applications like wireless bridging...but in that case there is an external admin privilege tool to roll back and live at the last working firmware level in perpetuity). A little extra manual labour now, with a bit of reading about early adopter experiences, can save a lot of trouble later!

Best wishes.  

Regards, alan

Thank you for the info as I own a DS213+, too. I did not yet update and now I certainly will not do because minimserver is not running as you say. Is there a minimserver info that the powerpc version is no longer maintained? I am going to check this now...

Alan, Gert,

The 213+ is a dual core CPU, so if I'm right, you may well be OK with Synology Media Server (although OS V6.1 may still break MinimServer and/or Plex due to the CPU architecture issue).

 Even If i'm wrong and the same problem occurs, reverting to Synology Media Server V1.6.2 will fix the problem.

I very much prefer minimserver over the synology media server because of some features. It would be very sad to loose minimserver. So I will keep back the update until Simon, the minimserver developer, gives green light for the powerpc platform...

Huge posted:

After 22 hours now, still FUBAR.

Restarted the network: DNS, Switch, DHCP, Synology, 272.

No change, no improvement

Removed Media Server - Intermittent high CPU load reduced.

Finally worked out how to install an old Media Server (1.6.2)
      This one works: Music restored (Corelli Op6 currently playing); suicide risk abated.

I've found other people have had the same problem and I was right: The issue is confined to single core devices so almost certainly a threading / race error problem.  This is utter crap: this release simply cannot have been tested properly on single core devices; completely unfit for purpose.  Absolutely unforgivable disregard for their customers.

If it had been the OS I'd have totally given up on Synology and defected to QNAP, advising everyone else to do the same.

I am genuinely relieved that you found a solution.  

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