Tellurium Q Black Nait XS2

No Hugo yet. Weekend after next. 

But I have borrowed a Chord Shawline Tumed Array RCA cables (2Qute to XS2) to and to my ear (with Odyssey cables), the system is doing everything it did with the TQ cables but with more swing and easier-on-the-ear tone.

Shawline is very tight, detailed and defined, open, well timed, cohesive. Less warmth than the Chameleon that was in my system. More natural that the TQ setup - Felt ADHD to me.

3m Odyssey + Shawline Tuned Array RCA £320.

3m TQB + TQB RCA £600.

Worth looking at. I'm no pro, but my ears and my moods are certainly very seceptible to sound changes.

I agree after all I've been through. But if I couldn't afford to play about with boxes then you can still get more suitable and pleasing results switching cables with the current boxes. Quite dramatic actually.

The system was unlistenable with the TQ cables (Frantic - I don't doubt they are good cables though, but didn't work for this setup).

Now it's pretty pleasurable with Odyssey and Shawline. The Shawline has helped with the sharpness a bit too. As I said if I had to call it day here I could deal with it. But certainly not when I had the Rumour (Mega boom) or the TQ (Shrill and frantic).

Nigel Flynn recommended I try the Shawline before shipping off the 2Qute. Of he would! But it'a made a nice improvement to listening ease.

Not everyone will be able to go out and spend £1000 upgrading a box shortly after spending £4-5k on their system. And it should be possible to get pretty nice sound with a Chord DAC, A Naim XS2 and Proac speakers. Which I think I have achieved now. A feel less urgent to rush out and swap boxes.

Still trying a Hugo/Naim Dac though. Then a cap or a Supernait. Because I can.

And because I want to warm, smooth and round my system a bit more. I don't like clinical. 

GraemeH posted:
ThatsNotMyNaim posted:

If it's like the Qute but smoother and more natural, I'll have a fit!

Let us know.

G

Hugo is here. Hugo has saved the day.

You were spot on. All the metallic, shouty, harshness has gone completely. The Hugo is so much more natural and analogue sounding. The musical flow is astonishing.

Now I need some further help please ha.

I plugged in using standard USB cable which i assume isn't ideal (regardless it is still much better than the Qute in all those above mentioned ways). Is there a better cable USB cable option? Or is SPDIF converted to USB better?

Also the Hugo hasn't got any galvanic isolation so there is some hiss coming from what i think is the Mac. Not a major issue but how can the RF be controlled without the isolation? 

The hugo TT has GI on the HD USB port ... can you play standard definition through the HD USB on the TT? 

Just wondering how to now maximise sounding quality with the Hugo. TT is probably out of reach the moment. 

Cheers

Adam

Adam if using USB with the Hugo and you can hear ground noise I am afraid you will need a ground isolator (galvanic isolation) or get the TT version of the Hugo that has the USB ground isolator built in.

Also if using a regular Naim NAC then setting the level to 'turquoise' seems to provide the optimum output gain for best SQ. The Naim Highline (phono to DIN) is another worthwhile enabler.

S

Cheers for this. 

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

Adam if using USB with the Hugo and you can hear ground noise I am afraid you will need a ground isolator (galvanic isolation) or get the TT version of the Hugo that has the USB ground isolator built in.

Also if using a regular Naim NAC then setting the level to 'turquoise' seems to provide the optimum output gain for best SQ. The Naim Highline (phono to DIN) is another worthwhile enabler.

S

Cheers Simon. Could you give me an example of a ground isolator? I cant afford the TT at the moment.

I'll get a good Toslink though and try that also.

Cheers

Adam

ThatsNotMyNaim posted:
GraemeH posted:
ThatsNotMyNaim posted:

If it's like the Qute but smoother and more natural, I'll have a fit!

Let us know.

G

Hugo is here. Hugo has saved the day.

You were spot on. All the metallic, shouty, harshness has gone completely. The Hugo is so much more natural and analogue sounding. The musical flow is astonishing.

Now I need some further help please ha.

I plugged in using standard USB cable which i assume isn't ideal (regardless it is still much better than the Qute in all those above mentioned ways). Is there a better cable USB cable option? Or is SPDIF converted to USB better?

Also the Hugo hasn't got any galvanic isolation so there is some hiss coming from what i think is the Mac. Not a major issue but how can the RF be controlled without the isolation? 

The hugo TT has GI on the HD USB port ... can you play standard definition through the HD USB on the TT? 

Just wondering how to now maximise sounding quality with the Hugo. TT is probably out of reach the moment. 

Cheers

Adam

Depends on your renderer/source (sorry, can't remember what it is and haven't time to trawl back). With Computers, including the Mac Mini that I use, some people go to great lengths to improve the power supply, but that is only one source of the dreaded RF pollution of the signal, ditto network if you are streaming across it (latter avoided by something like Mac Mini). Using an isolator between renderer and Hugo does the trick in a simple and far more affordable way.

ThatsNotMyNaim posted:
GraemeH posted:
ThatsNotMyNaim posted:

If it's like the Qute but smoother and more natural, I'll have a fit!

Let us know.

G

Hugo is here. Hugo has saved the day.

You were spot on. All the metallic, shouty, harshness has gone completely. The Hugo is so much more natural and analogue sounding. The musical flow is astonishing.

Now I need some further help please ha.

I plugged in using standard USB cable which i assume isn't ideal (regardless it is still much better than the Qute in all those above mentioned ways). Is there a better cable USB cable option? Or is SPDIF converted to USB better?

Also the Hugo hasn't got any galvanic isolation so there is some hiss coming from what i think is the Mac. Not a major issue but how can the RF be controlled without the isolation? 

The hugo TT has GI on the HD USB port ... can you play standard definition through the HD USB on the TT? 

Just wondering how to now maximise sounding quality with the Hugo. TT is probably out of reach the moment. 

Cheers

Adam

G

Innocent Bystander posted:
ThatsNotMyNaim posted:
GraemeH posted:
ThatsNotMyNaim posted:

If it's like the Qute but smoother and more natural, I'll have a fit!

Let us know.

G

Hugo is here. Hugo has saved the day.

You were spot on. All the metallic, shouty, harshness has gone completely. The Hugo is so much more natural and analogue sounding. The musical flow is astonishing.

Now I need some further help please ha.

I plugged in using standard USB cable which i assume isn't ideal (regardless it is still much better than the Qute in all those above mentioned ways). Is there a better cable USB cable option? Or is SPDIF converted to USB better?

Also the Hugo hasn't got any galvanic isolation so there is some hiss coming from what i think is the Mac. Not a major issue but how can the RF be controlled without the isolation? 

The hugo TT has GI on the HD USB port ... can you play standard definition through the HD USB on the TT? 

Just wondering how to now maximise sounding quality with the Hugo. TT is probably out of reach the moment. 

Cheers

Adam

Depends on your renderer/source (sorry, can't remember what it is and haven't time to trawl back). With Computers, including the Mac Mini that I use, some people go to great lengths to improve the power supply, but that is only one source of the dreaded RF pollution of the signal, ditto network if you are streaming across it (latter avoided by something like Mac Mini). Using an isolator between renderer and Hugo does the trick in a simple and far more affordable way.

Ok, thanks for info.

I'll look into an Isolator. I used an iMac but soon to be replaced with Mac Mini.

Do you have a modified Mac Mini. Power supply / SSD. Or just the basic but then an isolator between mini and hugo?

Is the uptone regen an isolator?

Cheers

 

ThatsNotMyNaim posted:
Innocent Bystander posted:

Depends on your renderer/source (sorry, can't remember what it is and haven't time to trawl back). With Computers, including the Mac Mini that I use, some people go to great lengths to improve the power supply, but that is only one source of the dreaded RF pollution of the signal, ditto network if you are streaming across it (latter avoided by something like Mac Mini). Using an isolator between renderer and Hugo does the trick in a simple and far more affordable way.

Ok, thanks for info.

I'll look into an Isolator. I used an iMac but soon to be replaced with Mac Mini.

Do you have a modified Mac Mini. Power supply / SSD. Or just the basic but then an isolator between mini and hugo?

Is the uptone regen an isolator?

Cheers

 

I've fitted twin 1TB SSDs (mine is a late 2012 model, which is easily DAY upgraded. Poaer suppy is the standard MM one.

I believe the uptone regen is also an isolator, though how good on RF I don't know. The name suggests it also reclocks, however that isn't necessary with the Hugo as it does that itself. I use a Gustard U12.

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