Totem speakers

I've had Dreamcatchers, Model 1 Sig and Forest. All were nice. DC is what got me into 2 channel more than HT. My issue with Totem was lack of bottom end for certain types of music. Mostly heavier rock music and some rap. Loved the DC and Model 1 Sig but I needed more lows. Tried the Forest and that satisfied the need for lows on most music but those could sound harsh at certain frequencies. Something about cabinet resonance or something like that. Supposedly the Forest Sig has addressed that and is a great speaker but I haven't heard to say for sure. 

joerand posted:
Chag... posted:

I am considering bringing S/H Arros on 122x/FC2x/150x as alternate to my Kans in my study. How tight is their bass? Can I place them against a bookcase? :ghee:

My experience is that Arros have an immediate "wow" factor. Dynamic and musical with good clarity coming from such a slim column. On longer term listening the bass becomes boxy and hollow, artificially deep. Probably a great choice for an apartment setting where you don't want to upset the neighbors, while on the other hand they need room from the rear wall to get the bass response right. Against a bookcase? I wouldn't expect much bottom end. If pure musicality and fun is your aim Arros could be a worthy consideration. I view Arros  as a good starter speaker that folks move on from in due course. Also, Arros can be "tippy" - maybe not a good choice with dogs, children, or clumsy maids in the listening room. They are, however, mass-loadable for stability and tighter bass response.

I love the Arros minimalist look and form factor. To me much more elegant than stand mounts on stands. Relatively cheap here in Canada (I live 10 mins drive from Totem headquarters)

I wish I could find a speaker that looked like the Arro but with more scale, dimension and tonal richness. If I had a smaller room I might be tempted but in my 11x20' room I doubt they could deliver.

Ardbeg10y posted:

You need to audition the CM1. Keep in mind, they need lots of power.

Dynamics are great. I like listening Symphonies and have a detached house. It goes from almost solo instruments to fortissimo instantly. This is what brought me in the Naim world.

In the 9th symphony of Tchaikovsky are nice dynamic movements.

What kind of music do you like?

Indeed, they are not the least regarded B&W speaker. Personally, I prefer them to my CM5 S2's.

Given that Tchaikovsky wrote only six numbered symphonies (plus the Manfred, and an abandoned symphony in E flat), this is an extremely impressive performance

I have owned a pair of Mites for about 6 years and they sit on a shelf between my kitchen and dining room. They are ran via my CB Nait2 and I cant believe how amazing they sound, punchy and controlled. People often comment when they visit the house at how good they sound. 

I have SBLs in my main system and the Mites don't shame themselves. 

 

Today I have heard the B&W 705. The amplifier was an Arcam FMJ and the source an Atoll. I liked the 705, very transparente and it reproduces very well the instruments, better than my Epos.The rythm and timing was good, too, but the amplifier and source  are more importante when we want PRAT. The amplifier was a bit weak, the B&W needed a better amplifier to come to life. But it was not very difficult to amplify, I guess the CM1 it´s more diffiicult due to lower sensitivity.It´s a excelente speaker, it reproduces very well the instruments and vocals and is lively, sometimes seems a bit dull, but this happens when the amplifiers does not have enought watts and current.So I guess I have to listen the Totems, but what I can judge from the 705 Totem will get a hard time to beat the B&W.

Nuno Baptista posted:

What I´m saying is that Totem Mite is 10 or 12 years old, unlike  B&W CM1 s2 is a brand new model. I´d never heard Totem, but comparing Mite with CM1 I can say that CM1 uses new technology, if that matters for you.

What has age of the design got to do with the sound of a speaker?

Yeah, I can't see where the basic technology of loudspeaker design has advanced considerably over the past 50 years. Tweaks have been inserted no doubt. Unless you're looking at ribbon tweeters, BMR drivers, and (at a stretch) bottom porting it's all simply marketing of the latest modifications to existing design. Electrostatics have been around for 60 years and there are plenty of full range speakers on the market.

@joerand to some extent I agree, however what has changed in that time is improved manufacturing techniques, and improved materials allowing more accurate transducers as well as the prevalence of computer aided design software and computer simulators allowing the development of better and more accurate designs. There is also better and increased understanding of how loudspeakers work and how to improve their effectiveness in  environments, (dynamics, phase, distortion, pitch, dispersion etc) there is a constant drip drip of innovation and development in the AES library on loudspeaker innovation. Loudspeakers are very much more an advanced technology compared to decades ago, although their physical representations look as I agree with you  similar.

Simon

I agree with Simon, however the developments overall have been in the form of evolution over the years, with some manufacturers having advanced more/sooner than others, with, perhaps, individual manufacturers advancing fastest in their earliest years, so you might see more significant changes in, say, PMCs speakers over the past 20 years than ATC who have been around a lot longer. 

So speakers from 5,10,15 or whatever years ago do not necessarily sound less good than new ones today, other than possibly compared to the best ones from the same manufacturer, and a very good speaker from even earlier may still hold its own quite well today, if not of course as good as the today's new equivalent.

Christopher_M posted:

Or for that matter, the CM1 S2s? (Forgive me if this has already been answered, I may have missed it).

C.

I did the right thing, that is to listen. Now I can see that the 705 is a better speaker than my Epos.The next step is to listen the Totem. Yes, I can listen the CM1 with my amp.Whit your feedback, now I know that Totem deserves a chance.

NUNO BAPTISTA

My new speakers are Totem SKY stand mount speakers (6 weeks old and now fully broken in) on totem stands.

The sky's are balanced, controlled, and very easy to place dispute them being rear ported, vocal clarity is outstanding, base is very strong for a speaker this small, detail and clarity again is outstanding, the only area the sky may fall short is with "Hard Rock & Metal", each instrument has its own space with great clarity and dynamics, above all the sky's are very musical and easy to listen to for long periods of time.

I would highly recommend a visit to your dealer for a demo and if you like what you hear then the one caution i would give you based on my own experiences with Totem speakers is the importance of a home demo.

Edward

I use them with Totem sttaf and yes It gives a better imaging, focus, 3D. Highs are more clean.

Same result with Verity audio Tamino on my First system but at lower degree. If Your listening is more on back-groung type, it's not a must, buy music. See it like fine-tuning.

Jean Eric

 

Nuno Baptista posted:

To hear the Totem I have to go Lisbon, 200 Km distance  where I live.

Well, when you want a chance to hear different speakers, you often have to travel, as not all of us have dealers selling all brands nearby. LAst time I went speaker hearing it took 48 hours, over 800 miles of driving, two ferry journey, a hotel stay - and that was just to assess 5 contenders. 200km is only maybe 2-3 hours' drive, each way, which doesn't sound bad in the context of buying subjectively significant gear.

Nuno Baptista posted:

To hear the Totem I have to go Lisbon, 200 Km distance  where I live.

It's not really that far, the shop's owner is a very nice man (as you surely know) and you'll probably enjoy some good weather like today: sunshine and 18ºC max.

Maybe you'll end up buying different speakers, but this way you won't have any regrets...

Has anyone here listened to Totem's Element Fire? They're admittedly bigger and have a higher price point than the Mite, with the 7" Torrent driver. I've auditioned them twice on a SN2 and NDX. The first time, I was impressed but felt I liked the floor-standing Ariel Acoustics T6 better. The second time I listened to the Element Fires, I was blown away. Found myself smiling several times at their sound. I'm looking for a speaker upgrade for my NAC-N272 and NAP 250 DR and am wondering if you've listened to these Totems, what you thought. 

I have Element Embers here, as well as a pair of Metals. They really like power, even the little Embers would be stretched a little thin on a SuperNait. Haven't heard the Fires, but if they're anything like the Embers they take a long time to run in. They should be right at home on a 250 though. Also, I find that unlike the rest of the Totem range the Embers like to be closer to the wall. 

But they're a great little speaker, although I must say I always lean towards the non-element series floorstanders, the Forest Signatures being a stand out in the range.  

J Saville posted:

I have Element Embers here, as well as a pair of Metals. They really like power, even the little Embers would be stretched a little thin on a SuperNait. Haven't heard the Fires, but if they're anything like the Embers they take a long time to run in. They should be right at home on a 250 though. Also, I find that unlike the rest of the Totem range the Embers like to be closer to the wall. 

But they're a great little speaker, although I must say I always lean towards the non-element series floorstanders, the Forest Signatures being a stand out in the range.  

Thanks for the reply. To my chagrin, I did not listen to the Forest Signatures despite the fact they had some demos in stock. They are beautiful. I guess I got fixated on the new Torrent driver in the Element Fires, which they were really praising.  The dealer is quite a distance away, but I'm going to have to set aside time to listen to them next time I travel.

2WheelsRBetter posted:
J Saville posted:

I have Element Embers here, as well as a pair of Metals. They really like power, even the little Embers would be stretched a little thin on a SuperNait. Haven't heard the Fires, but if they're anything like the Embers they take a long time to run in. They should be right at home on a 250 though. Also, I find that unlike the rest of the Totem range the Embers like to be closer to the wall. 

But they're a great little speaker, although I must say I always lean towards the non-element series floorstanders, the Forest Signatures being a stand out in the range.  

Thanks for the reply. To my chagrin, I did not listen to the Forest Signatures despite the fact they had some demos in stock. They are beautiful. I guess I got fixated on the new Torrent driver in the Element Fires, which they were really praising.  The dealer is quite a distance away, but I'm going to have to set aside time to listen to them next time I travel.

Over on the avsforum.com in the speaker forum and the totem owners thread there's a guy BigAl that has the Forest Sig and Fires. He almost always has the Fires setup rather then the Forests. Perhaps he can give you insite into the 2 speakers. 

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