TQ Black Diamond Speaker Cables on Home Dem?

The TQ Black Diamond Speaker cables have arrived for a home demo.

I have invited Finkfan over, so as to have a 2nd opinion. 

We played a familiar cd from the group Fink, we both often use this as the reference cd for any potential upgrades.

After the first track, I immediately realised these cables are going to be good...

After the second and third tracks I almost found myself speechless .....bearing in mind I'm used to listening to TQ ultra blacks, which in my opinion our very very good, I've also had Super Lumina on dem a few weeks ago....which again our very very good....

All I can say is WOW, the extra detail, the timing, the soundstage , just everything is absolutely exquisite ...magic....talk about the musicians being in the room....

As each track played, the cables just seemed to get better and better and better....one particular review described these cables as being a masterpiece of cable design....  It summerises it perfectly....

What did my good friend Finkfan think? With his much younger ears?

Well exactly the same as me, I don't think I've seen a bigger grin on his face....

We both sat and listened to 10 tracks,  both of us thinking the same thing...Are they worth £630 per metre? , absolutely .....

 

I will be having a really enjoyable weekend.... 

And Yes, I will be ordering a set...

 

 

Original Post

They are truely stunning cables @wenger2015. I've heard that Fink album many many times but never like this. It was like Fin was in the room. So much more detail. I could visualize the instruments and where in the sound stage they were being played. Everything was more natural and realistic. There were instruments I've not heard before. All of this without silver in the wires meant there was no extended top end. No harshness. Just more music. Yes they are expensive, but so is a black box. Are they worth it??? Every penny!!! 

Finkfan posted:

I'm sure a bigger better power supply would be good as would a CDS3, but these cables have shown us just how bloody good the current setup is. Whichever boxes you add to your system, chances are they're being held back by those wires. 

Agree with you, I assume most have not had an opportunity to hear the black diamonds....

Adam Zielinski posted:
wenger2015 posted:
Adam Zielinski posted:

Lalala....  not listening..... lalala.... did someone mention cables? 

Adam, I'm really sorry but you need to hear these cables .........

Noooooooooooo.... (a cry of despair trailing away, as he jumps off the rooftop....) 

I'm sure the hifi gods will safe you.........

wenger2015 posted:
Finkfan posted:

I'm sure a bigger better power supply would be good as would a CDS3, but these cables have shown us just how bloody good the current setup is. Whichever boxes you add to your system, chances are they're being held back by those wires. 

Agree with you, I assume most have not had an opportunity to hear the black diamonds....

Quite right, I've not. But I hear my CDS3 almost daily :-)

C.

I demoed the Ultra Blacks vs Superlumina speaker cable and the UBs beat the pants of the SL and marginally cheaper.  Personal view and taste of course. I love my UBs and now curious about what the Diamonds or even the Silver Diamond could do. Tellurium know something about cables based on phase distortion. 

Christopher_M posted:
wenger2015 posted:
Finkfan posted:

I'm sure a bigger better power supply would be good as would a CDS3, but these cables have shown us just how bloody good the current setup is. Whichever boxes you add to your system, chances are they're being held back by those wires. 

Agree with you, I assume most have not had an opportunity to hear the black diamonds....

Quite right, I've not. But I hear my CDS3 almost daily :-)

C.

I'm more then confident the CDS3 is a superb bit of kit.  It's what it can do with the TQ Black Diamonds that will surprise you...

@Finkfan - oh oh, I was thinking my next move would be a Tangerine Stiletto for my LP12 but sounds like (sorry for pun) I might have to take a detour. Like they said about the UBs, once you hear them there's no turning back! How true. I was very content with the Blacks as upgrade to NACA5 and then I heard the UBs. Darn. 

UPDATE Day 2

I have left the system running all night, the Black Diamonds are nicely warmed up....

I can confirm these cables are Absolutely Exceptional, IMHO I would say without hesitation, it's equivalent to a Black box upgrade x 2.

At the recent Bristol Show, I recall talking to one dealer about the value of a good cable loom, his comments suggested it's all nonsense,  all you need is two lengths of copper wire.....boll . . . ocks!!! 

It just goes to show, you have to trust your own ears........

Whatever is inside these cables? Snake oil....?? Magic mushroom juice? .......elephant  saliva ???

They work...........

ps...... am not one for exaggerated comments but only give them a dem if your budget allows, otherwise best left well alone...

 

Bob the Builder posted:

Well I think I can safely say I will not be experiencing these cables but good luck and happy listening to those that do......

and there was me think I was Mr HiFi Barry Big B****** with my TQ Blacks .....

I wouldn't worry; there's always going to be someone with bigger bollocks than you. 

Excellent feedback Wenger.
Given the choice, would you spend £6,500 for 2x5m lengths of this cable or would you spend it on improving your sources?

It's a personal judgement call.  I would personally put the money into the turntable/arm (as a vinyl music lover) and maybe swap the XPSDR for a 555PS, but it's your call not mine - hence the question.

Best regards, FT

Foot tapper posted:

Excellent feedback Wenger.
Given the choice, would you spend £6,500 for 2x5m lengths of this cable or would you spend it on improving your sources?

It's a personal judgement call.  I would personally put the money into the turntable/arm (as a vinyl music lover) and maybe swap the XPSDR for a 555PS, but it's your call not mine - hence the question.

Best regards, FT

This is the reason I have been waiting for these cables to arrive for a home dem, the questions can only be answered in my view by this method. 

If I decided this was going to be my final upgrade, then I would with a big smile spend my money on these cables.... the bonus for me is I only need 2x 2m lengths and I can get full px on my 2x3.5m ultra blacks....so it's a no brainer as they say...

As I have said in previous comments,  I am not one for exaggerated statements, but these cables are the best I have ever heard by some distance.... 

 

The thing is guys there area cables out there that let you hear the rest of your system at it's full potential. Agreed that source is highly important. They rest of the system can only amplify and send out what it's being fed with. But this is why wires are just as important as the boxes. Ideally there'd be no wires. But there is, so if they're as neutral and non damaging to the signal as possible, that's ideal! After all, that's what we want from our boxes and speakers. 

Hungryhalibut posted:
Bob the Builder posted:

Well I think I can safely say I will not be experiencing these cables but good luck and happy listening to those that do......

and there was me think I was Mr HiFi Barry Big B****** with my TQ Blacks .....

I wouldn't worry; there's always going to be someone with bigger bollocks than you. 

I know this to be true.....my partner is a nurse.

I demoed both Superlumina and Black Diamond and my impression was that SL gave an improvement over Nac 5 in terms of detail but lost some of the underlying 'solidity' of A5, but Black Diamond added the detail while retaining the best of A5. Orchestral works, eg, were rather more harsh with SL, though undoubtedly showing more detail. Similarly with some fenale vocals. Both were fine with nainstream rock/instrumenta music. In the end I opted for SL as I couldn't justify the added expense for BD. To be fair, the SL has matured but with hindsight I do still wonder whether I should have pushed the boat out - I would have forgotten the cost  by now!

Finkfan posted:

I couldn't get on with the SL cables whenever I've heard them. The 'forced' high frequencies just aren't for my ears. The Black diamonds are as smooth as silk and would be the last cables I'd own. 

I had a home dem of the SL a couple of months back, I really wanted to like them but my experience was exactly the same, I preferred to keep  my TQ ultra blacks.....

UPDATE Day 3,

Only had a Window of opportunity to listen about 10pm last night, I had two cds on listening list

Pink Floyd 'The Wall' and 'Dark side of the moon'

'The Wall' was put on first....the helicopter segment at the end of track 3...'WOW'....the detail , depth of sound, was breathtaking.... 

I ended up listening to the whole album twice, it was like listening to the album for the first time, so much their not noticed before.....so clear but not clinical, it was as Finkfan described in thread, ' as smooth as silk'......  i realised at this point it was about 3am......enough said

At least I have now convinced myself'. I'm not dreaming ' this is real, these cables are magnificent,

although having said that I have just read a review from hifi pig on the TQ Silver Diamonds, and apparently they are better still....do I need to give them a try before I spend my money?

Finkfan posted:

I've only heard the silver diamonds once. At the Bristol show 2016 with Russel K speakers. It would interesting to hear them in a home environment and between a 300DR and Sopra2s. 

Maybe before I pull the trigger,  they need to be auditioned..... Be interesting to directly compare them with the Black diamonds?? 

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