TQ Black Diamond Speaker Cables on Home Dem?

GraemeH posted:
Hungryhalibut posted:

You can be damn sure they would make the black diamonds sound broken. All that detail! The performers are in the room! An extra octave of bass! You can hear the drummer picking his nose!

The guitarist picking his nose surely?

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More likely the vocalist the others don't have a hand spare....

Interesting all this talk about TQ cables. I didn't know them. They don't seem to be very well known here in the Netherlands (yet?). The raving views are pretty strong. 

Thing I wonder is, cables - any cable - usually take a long time to break-in before they show their full potential and character. Speaker cables in particular imo. I think I've never auditioned a cable that was great straight out of the box unless most of the break-in was done by the manufacturer with a cable cooker.

Does TQ do a factory break-in too?

 

wenger2015 posted:
Foot tapper posted:

Excellent feedback Wenger.
Given the choice, would you spend £6,500 for 2x5m lengths of this cable or would you spend it on improving your sources?

It's a personal judgement call.  I would personally put the money into the turntable/arm (as a vinyl music lover) and maybe swap the XPSDR for a 555PS, but it's your call not mine - hence the question.

Best regards, FT

This is the reason I have been waiting for these cables to arrive for a home dem, the questions can only be answered in my view by this method. 

If I decided this was going to be my final upgrade, then I would with a big smile spend my money on these cables.... the bonus for me is I only need 2x 2m lengths and I can get full px on my 2x3.5m ultra blacks....so it's a no brainer as they say...

As I have said in previous comments,  I am not one for exaggerated statements, but these cables are the best I have ever heard by some distance.... 

 

should n t it be twice 3.5 m too

leni v posted:
wenger2015 posted:
Foot tapper posted:

Excellent feedback Wenger.
Given the choice, would you spend £6,500 for 2x5m lengths of this cable or would you spend it on improving your sources?

It's a personal judgement call.  I would personally put the money into the turntable/arm (as a vinyl music lover) and maybe swap the XPSDR for a 555PS, but it's your call not mine - hence the question.

Best regards, FT

This is the reason I have been waiting for these cables to arrive for a home dem, the questions can only be answered in my view by this method. 

If I decided this was going to be my final upgrade, then I would with a big smile spend my money on these cables.... the bonus for me is I only need 2x 2m lengths and I can get full px on my 2x3.5m ultra blacks....so it's a no brainer as they say...

As I have said in previous comments,  I am not one for exaggerated statements, but these cables are the best I have ever heard by some distance.... 

 

should n t it be twice 3.5 m too

You don't need to have a minimum 3.5 length with TQ cables, I'm pleased to say.

wenger2015 posted:
leni v posted:
wenger2015 posted:
Foot tapper posted:

Excellent feedback Wenger.
Given the choice, would you spend £6,500 for 2x5m lengths of this cable or would you spend it on improving your sources?

It's a personal judgement call.  I would personally put the money into the turntable/arm (as a vinyl music lover) and maybe swap the XPSDR for a 555PS, but it's your call not mine - hence the question.

Best regards, FT

This is the reason I have been waiting for these cables to arrive for a home dem, the questions can only be answered in my view by this method. 

If I decided this was going to be my final upgrade, then I would with a big smile spend my money on these cables.... the bonus for me is I only need 2x 2m lengths and I can get full px on my 2x3.5m ultra blacks....so it's a no brainer as they say...

As I have said in previous comments,  I am not one for exaggerated statements, but these cables are the best I have ever heard by some distance.... 

 

should n t it be twice 3.5 m too

You don't need to have a minimum 3.5 length with TQ cables, I'm pleased to say.

why not ? confirmed by naim?

Timmo1341 posted:
Finkfan posted:

Confirmed by TQ. 

Have Naim proffered any opinion? One might be tempted to say of TQ "well, they would say that, wouldn't they?". It might be nice to have a more independent, objective opinion.

I don't suppose Naim will recommend using someone else's cables, whatever the length? 

Finkfan posted:

I have cleared my diary for next weekend! 

Excellent, it's going to be a very interesting, the independent reviews suggest they are an absolute revelation in cable technology .....I can't wait to hear them.....i don't normally do ' excited'  but I must confess I am...

wenger2015 posted:
Finkfan posted:

I have cleared my diary for next weekend! 

Excellent, it's going to be a very interesting, the independent reviews suggest they are an absolute revelation in cable technology .....I can't wait to hear them.....i don't normally do ' excited'  but I must confess I am...

Keep us posted on how it goes not that I'm thinking of upgrading from the black diamonds as I am over the moon with what they do and at 2X 5m the silvers would be a step too far for me. 

Look forward to hearing your impression and comparison to the blackD.

Rob T posted:
wenger2015 posted:
Finkfan posted:

I have cleared my diary for next weekend! 

Excellent, it's going to be a very interesting, the independent reviews suggest they are an absolute revelation in cable technology .....I can't wait to hear them.....i don't normally do ' excited'  but I must confess I am...

Look forward to hearing your impression and comparison to the blackD.

+1

Rob T posted:
wenger2015 posted:
Finkfan posted:

I have cleared my diary for next weekend! 

Excellent, it's going to be a very interesting, the independent reviews suggest they are an absolute revelation in cable technology .....I can't wait to hear them.....i don't normally do ' excited'  but I must confess I am...

Keep us posted on how it goes not that I'm thinking of upgrading from the black diamonds as I am over the moon with what they do and at 2X 5m the silvers would be a step too far for me. 

Look forward to hearing your impression and comparison to the blackD.

Yes, will certainly post some feedback... as you say how you can improve on the Black Diamonds is going to be very intriguing ...

Thanks for the thought, FinkFan. I would be interested. Meantime, I've got a pair of dealer demo' black diamonds put by for me to trial as soon as I get back to UK in 2/3 weeks. Courtesy of Wenger's enthusiastic review. P'raps I should ask for a demo pair of blue diamonds, too?

Wenger, I don't want to know about the Silvers Like you, I can get away with a 2m pair but it's a stretch just for the Diamonds, never mind anything else. I'll also be trialling them next to a pair of copper cables from Sean at CHC. His are 75% less cost than the Diamonds. Will be interesting to see how it goes. 

eagle3333 posted:

Thanks for the thought, FinkFan. I would be interested. Meantime, I've got a pair of dealer demo' black diamonds put by for me to trial as soon as I get back to UK in 2/3 weeks. Courtesy of Wenger's enthusiastic review. P'raps I should ask for a demo pair of blue diamonds, too?

Wenger, I don't want to know about the Silvers Like you, I can get away with a 2m pair but it's a stretch just for the Diamonds, never mind anything else. I'll also be trialling them next to a pair of copper cables from Sean at CHC. His are 75% less cost than the Diamonds. Will be interesting to see how it goes. 

It will be interesting to hear your thoughts on the Black Diamonds and the Copper cables ....when you get back...i'm not going to say a word about the Silver Diamonds.........until they arrive... 

joe9407 posted:

Wenger2015, from one long-suffering Gooner to another: before you plunk down the cash, would you please demo a CDS3/252/300 with NAC A5 vs. a CDX2/282/300 with TQ Silver Diamonds?

they're roughly in the same ballpark, price-wise.

Thats an interesting comparison.... Not heard the cds3, but no doubt will be a step up.

282v252 seems to be like marmite on the forum, different or better?

Silver Diamonds v Nac a5, that's going to be a monumental difference. 

As for the Arsenal, it's a good job we like our music.. 

I had both 282 and 252. The 282 was, in my set-up, a bit warmer-sounding with a rounder bass; the 252 was a leap forward in detail and precision. But it pushed things too far for my ears, as leading edges went too glary and sound became too analytical (some may say 'truthful'!) in my set-up/room. Looking forward to hearing full Naim in your room, Wenger. 

My business partner lives near Munich. It's as well he's not the gloating type..  

wenger2015 posted:
282v252 seems to be like marmite on the forum, different or better?

 

The 252 is the 'better' pre-amp. Whether you will like it in your system with your preferences is another thing as the presentation of both pre-amps is quite different. I've had both. You'll get lots of opinions on this topic so best to audition one yourself 

eagle3333 posted:

I had both 282 and 252. The 282 was, in my set-up, a bit warmer-sounding with a rounder bass; the 252 was a leap forward in detail and precision. But it pushed things too far for my ears, as leading edges went too glary and sound became too analytical (some may say 'truthful'!) in my set-up/room. Looking forward to hearing full Naim in your room, Wenger. 

My business partner lives near Munich. It's as well he's not the gloating type..  

Did you have to 252 for a while? or was it on Dem? Whenever I have heard the 252 it's always sounded really good , no harshness, and as you say lots of detail. 

Just email when you are back and we can arrange.. 

Ps, glad you have a non gloating partner... 

I had the 252 for about 8 mths. It was stunningly detailed and pacey - as you'd expect from Naim. I changed to a tube pre to take off my perceived glare; which worked. But sacrificed some of the PRAT. I've either got hearing very sensitive to upper frequencies or my room is very reflective. Or both. The listen in your room will, hopefully, be a conclusive indicator because you don't hear it & if I don't hear it, then it must be my room (notwithstanding difference between 282/252.) If I find it glares, then it's my ears and Naim. Of course, the TQBD may solve all.. 

StigO posted:

Any nac-n 272/nap 300 owners using black diamond? If yes, what signal cable are you using?

Hi yes I have been using AR Sound Lunar Equatorial DIN > XLR cables the for a few months now and am very happy with the performance. I did comparisons with Super Lumina, Chord STA they were better than both, especially the Chord which just sounded dead in my system. It was a closer call with the SL but the Lunar Equatorial had the edge and at a third of the price.

I was expecting a delivery of the TQ Silver Diamonds today for dem.

Unfortunately my dealer has sent the TQ ultra Silvers by mistake.

So will provide some views on these over the weekend ....

The Silver Diamonds will be delivered the end of next week now.......oh the pain 

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