Uniti Core......editing in the Music folder

I have about 300 live cdr's I burned myself from my own live recordings. As expected they all rip in the music store as "Album_20170320_005410" with a different catalog number on each cdr rip. The Uniti Core will NOT let me edit these to the right name and track names in Windows Exployer (Downloads folder I can do anything). The UnitiServe you did this all in the NAS interface with no problems. Do I really have to remove the drive from the Core and put it in a dock and plug it into a NAS to edit??? 

Never ends with the frustrations. 

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analog414 posted:

I have about 300 live cdr's I burned myself from my own live recordings. As expected they all rip in the music store as "Album_20170320_005410" with a different catalog number on each cdr rip. The Uniti Core will NOT let me edit these to the right name and track names in Windows Exployer (Downloads folder I can do anything). The UnitiServe you did this all in the NAS interface with no problems. Do I really have to remove the drive from the Core and put it in a dock and plug it into a NAS to edit??? 

Never ends with the frustrations. 

i can't answer to your question but know that naim said that at the end of march the owners of the core will be able to change the metadata of albums using their pc, as it is possible with the unitserve. I had the same problem as you when i borrowed a core to compare with my unitserve.  When i transferred my albums on a melco n1a from a memory stick( downloads), the problem was even bigger.... ( no complete names of albums, albums dispatched in several tracks...).  The unitserve seems better for that at this moment.

I have just this week entered the world of streaming with UnitiCore and NDS and am having exactly that problem. I started looking for tag editors online but it seems a real pain with WAV files. Hopefully as you suggest NAIM will fix this in a future update but until then i will just delete the unamed or incorrectly tagged albums as its confusing me.

You can't edit the Core rips at all at the moment, and if you pull the disc and do it offline, then according to Naim you are likely to break the indexing. Also I suspect, although I don't know for sure, that the Core will try to match them with what it can find on line and some of your edits may be "helpfully" re-edited!

Naim are on the case re metadata editing in the Core, so in just a few weeks you should have the tools back in your hands.

Of course if your rips aren't in the Music folder, but in the Dowloads folder, then you can edit them now. I am not allowed to suggest how it might happen that they would find themselves in the downloads folder because that would be suggesting an unauthorised modification to the way Naim intends the Core to work, so I'm not going to do that.

best

David

It looks as though Naim are going to have to radically improve what's on offer to tempt me to 'upgrade' from my 2TB UnitiServe. Having edited at least 70% of my 2000 cd rips, I dread to think what a mess the Core would make of them. Although I like the idea of being able to replace the hard drive myself when inevitable failure eventually occurs, I'm not sure the ensuing chaos will be worthwhile. When my US dies I'll probably just replace it with the Synology NAS I currently use as a backup. Naim really have missed a trick here by failing to release a fully developed product.

David Hendon posted:

Let us hope that they adopt the same approach to editing that they did with the Unitiserve, so that the user edits file imported with each album from the US to the Core is properly respected.....

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David

Not entirely the same - downloads should be editable.

I have hundreds of gold Taiyo Yuden master cdr's that will rip with no information. I need the PC to run file naming software AND audio tracking software to help me get this task done ASAP. 

Another issue is those rips in the UnityServe with tracks named "unknown" (Core will name it "track") will not show the artist or the album information until I change the tracks from unknown to track.

analog414 posted:

I have hundreds of gold Taiyo Yuden master cdr's that will rip with no information. I need the PC to run file naming software AND audio tracking software to help me get this task done ASAP. 

I reckon you'd be best ripping these on a computer using EAC or DB power amp.  The latter is very good for this sort of thing with very comprehensive tagging and editing.  Then put the files on a stick or drive or place in the download folder on the main drive and add that to the Core to serve.

I have been adding music to the Download Folder using my PC and going back and forth to edit metadata.

I have now somehow lost or deleted the Music Folder. I cant map the drive again and have reported it to Tech Support but wondered if anyone else has had this ??

 

It might be that the IP address has changed, if you have not fixed it. When I had a Serve its address was fixed and the drive mapped. It stayed in place for two years quite happily. There is an iPad app called Fing that lets you find the address of everything on the network, and I'm sure there are others too. 

I'm pretty sure the Core has just one IP address (although the HDX has two, but that's nothing to do with the downloads folder.) If you use a downloads folder on a NAS rather than a Core internal drive, of course, it would be on the NAS IP address, but I assume this is not what you are doing.

No , the app lost all the music from the download folder. I've had a lot of help from Naim Tech and managed to get an external USB stick to use both folders and see them on my PC and play music from them. After many factory resets its still the same problem on the internal hard drive, see what tomorrow brings...

Hi David, just to  let you know...

After a number of email exchanges and resets i heard nothing more so i have returned the unit to my dealer and have a replacement. I can see and use my download folder and took 13Hrs to restore my music from the backup !

Interestingly, the new unit ripped successfully a CD that skipped on the last track of the old unit.The CD had not been cleaned and was exactly the same condition as when i tried it on the first machine. I'm not sure if this works but if you want to listen, here is the last minute of the track......

Of more significance, is that the two Cores sounded different. I thought the first one was bright with too much sibilance but my previous CDS3 was quite a warm player, i listen a lot to vinyl, so i thought that the Core might burn in. However, i was pleasantly surprised when the new unit arrived. I have played both Core units to my wife and she commented unprompted that the violins sounded more harsh or tinny in a direct comparison and brass a bit razzy on the first unit. She is not into HiFi, but like me is also a musician.

Gerry

Moderated Post:  Ripped music links removed.

Hi Gerry

I'm glad it got sorted eventually. Interesting that the two sound so different. My Core sounded too bright to me originally (I remember using the word brittle), but it does sound fine now. Whether it's run in or I've got used to it is anyone's guess. Anyway thanks for reporting back and happy listening!

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David

The prototype and my early production version (which I bought from cymbiosis) appear to sound the same. It would be interesting to know if there have been changes in the design since  January.

Maybe Phil can comment?

jon honeyball posted:

The prototype and my early production version (which I bought from cymbiosis) appear to sound the same. It would be interesting to know if there have been changes in the design since  January.

Maybe Phil can comment?

I can always comment ... it's determining when not to that is the skill!

However in reply to your specific question I can confirm that there have been *NO* changes to the hardware of the Core since its release...

Cheers

Phil

jon honeyball posted:

So the factory's view is that all cores sound the same (Assuming same firmware and used in the same manner, eg both to the same nas (just to keep things simple))

I understand that Phil assured that all cores rely on the same hardware. This does not imply that they sound the same.

One can think of many reasons why two devices with the same hardware (up to tolerances, of course) and the same firmware can sound differently. Even without considering run in times, the two devices might be in very different states, even right after reboot. Perhaps one is running a lot of admin tasks in the background while the other one is just idling. Or perhaps they are connected to power outlets of different quality. Or the downstream connections are different.

Still, assuming that Red Kite has done his homework and managed to reproduce his findings under different conditions, his results are a bit surprising.

jon honeyball posted:

So the factory's view is that all cores sound the same (Assuming same firmware and used in the same manner, eg both to the same nas (just to keep things simple))

Hi Jon,

Obviously we haven't tested all Cores against each other but as far as we are aware there are no specific reasons why there should be any difference in sound quality between units as - hardware wise - they are identical.

Cheers

Phil

Just a thought: when my HDX went belly-up, I've transferred all my music to a QNAP NAS. All music is in FLAC format. During the last year, I've made some minor changes to the metadata; e.g. adding a question mark to some file names because that was not possible with the HDX.

If I would transfer my music to a Uniti Core, will it be possible to have all the files in the 'music' folder so I can keep on making those minor adjustments using the Naim app? 

It would be a pity if I have to store everything under 'downloads' because to my knowledge, editing seems not possible using the Naim app.

Any thoughts are welcome!

Klout10 posted:

Just a thought: when my HDX went belly-up, I've transferred all my music to a QNAP NAS. All music is in FLAC format. During the last year, I've made some minor changes to the metadata; e.g. adding a question mark to some file names because that was not possible with the HDX.

If I would transfer my music to a Uniti Core, will it be possible to have all the files in the 'music' folder so I can keep on making those minor adjustments using the Naim app? 

It would be a pity if I have to store everything under 'downloads' because to my knowledge, editing seems not possible using the Naim app.

Any thoughts are welcome!

Editing is possible using the downloads folder via the Naim app. All my music is in the downloads folder. The only issue I have with the editing is that sometimes the option to edit the metadata does not appear. I have no idea why. You can see from the pics below. Anyone knows why?

Compared with...

It isn't possible to edit metadata in the Downloads folder of a Core using the Naim app. Naim have said that it isn't part of their "traditional architecture" and won't be providing this capability. You can edit it in place in the Core with a PC though.

The Music folder only contains rips that have been made by the Core itself or imported from another Naim server. When you transfer music into a Core, it decides which folder to put it in depending whether it detects that it came from a Naim server originally. It may well be therefore that a QNAP backup could be saved into the Music folder, but I'm not certain about that. Another and possibly more likely way to do it would be to restore the Core from the QNAP backup of your HDX music. But I'm not certain that that would work either. It probably depends exactly how the music was moved to the QNAP in the first place. No doubt Phil Harris would know better than me how to approach such an endeavour.

I think the fact that Richard can edit metadata on some of his music simply means that those albums are not in fact in the Downloads folder of his Core, but are in the Music folder. If he checked by looking directly into the two folders from the LAN with a PC, then he would be able to see and I would be very interested to know that I am wrong.

Best

David

Klout10 posted:

Just a thought: when my HDX went belly-up, I've transferred all my music to a QNAP NAS. All music is in FLAC format. During the last year, I've made some minor changes to the metadata; e.g. adding a question mark to some file names because that was not possible with the HDX.

If I would transfer my music to a Uniti Core, will it be possible to have all the files in the 'music' folder so I can keep on making those minor adjustments using the Naim app? 

It would be a pity if I have to store everything under 'downloads' because to my knowledge, editing seems not possible using the Naim app.

Any thoughts are welcome!

I think you'd be better off keeping externally edited files in the downloads folder and making any further edits using Metadatics or similar, which is very straightforward, just not done from within the app. There are more editing options available doing it like this than there are within the app.

David Hendon posted:

It isn't possible to edit metadata in the Downloads folder of a Core using the Naim app. Naim have said that it isn't part of their "traditional architecture" and won't be providing this capability. You can edit it in place in the Core with a PC though.

The Music folder only contains rips that have been made by the Core itself or imported from another Naim server. When you transfer music into a Core, it decides which folder to put it in depending whether it detects that it came from a Naim server originally. It may well be therefore that a QNAP backup could be saved into the Music folder, but I'm not certain about that. Another and possibly more likely way to do it would be to restore the Core from the QNAP backup of your HDX music. But I'm not certain that that would work either. It probably depends exactly how the music was moved to the QNAP in the first place. No doubt Phil Harris would know better than me how to approach such an endeavour.

I think the fact that Richard can edit metadata on some of his music simply means that those albums are not in fact in the Downloads folder of his Core, but are in the Music folder. If he checked by looking directly into the two folders from the LAN with a PC, then he would be able to see and I would be very interested to know that I am wrong.

Best

David

David, I have to disagree with you. I know they are in the downloads folder because I put them there via PC (so yes...I checked via a PC). I have nothing in my music folder.

Richard Choong posted:
David Hendon posted:

It isn't possible to edit metadata in the Downloads folder of a Core using the Naim app. Naim have said that it isn't part of their "traditional architecture" and won't be providing this capability. You can edit it in place in the Core with a PC though.

The Music folder only contains rips that have been made by the Core itself or imported from another Naim server. When you transfer music into a Core, it decides which folder to put it in depending whether it detects that it came from a Naim server originally. It may well be therefore that a QNAP backup could be saved into the Music folder, but I'm not certain about that. Another and possibly more likely way to do it would be to restore the Core from the QNAP backup of your HDX music. But I'm not certain that that would work either. It probably depends exactly how the music was moved to the QNAP in the first place. No doubt Phil Harris would know better than me how to approach such an endeavour.

I think the fact that Richard can edit metadata on some of his music simply means that those albums are not in fact in the Downloads folder of his Core, but are in the Music folder. If he checked by looking directly into the two folders from the LAN with a PC, then he would be able to see and I would be very interested to know that I am wrong.

Best

David

David, I have to disagree with you. I know they are in the downloads folder because I put them there via PC (so yes...I checked via a PC). I have nothing in my music folder.

According to Naim's announcement from http://forums.naimaudio.com/to...mware-and-app-update

Please Note:
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- Only ripped CDs or CDs imported from a previous Naim server that have been ripped, can be edited.
- Music content in the Downloads Folder cannot be edited so the option will not be available.
...

Thus, it appears that either you do in fact have some data in your music folder or that you are exploiting a software error that makes it possible for you to edit data that should actually not be editable!

ChrisSU posted:
Klout10 posted:

Just a thought: when my HDX went belly-up, I've transferred all my music to a QNAP NAS. All music is in FLAC format. During the last year, I've made some minor changes to the metadata; e.g. adding a question mark to some file names because that was not possible with the HDX.

If I would transfer my music to a Uniti Core, will it be possible to have all the files in the 'music' folder so I can keep on making those minor adjustments using the Naim app? 

It would be a pity if I have to store everything under 'downloads' because to my knowledge, editing seems not possible using the Naim app.

Any thoughts are welcome!

I think you'd be better off keeping externally edited files in the downloads folder and making any further edits using Metadatics or similar, which is very straightforward, just not done from within the app. There are more editing options available doing it like this than there are within the app.

Very good point. If I had a Core (or a US) I would indeed keep all my data in the downloads folder for interoperability and consistency. I guess one can export the music folder data, cleanup the folder and reimport the data into the downloads folder.

David Hendon posted:

When you transfer music into a Core, it decides which folder to put it in depending whether it detects that it came from a Naim server originally.

David, just for my understanding: if I will transfer my music to the Core, it will automatically put the files (or albums) in the 'download' or 'music' folders?

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