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chris2000 posted:

- In the App I could not see a way to edit the meta data before the rip starts. Where I have albums with multiple joint artists I generally delete the second artist so when sorting by artist / album I don't end up with multiple entries. Is this possible?

- Not sure why but I was expecting a second Ethernet connection on the back of the core so I could connect directly to my NDX rather than having this going through a switch which in turn has my router at the wrong end of a POE connection. Am I better off using the S/PDIF connection for this?

 

The metadata editing function of the app hasn't been developed yet. Apparently it's scheduled for an app update at some stage, so you'll have to wait. Don't attempt to edit CD rips by other means (via a computer) as this can cause problems.

If you're using it with a streamer, as long as they are on the same network, that's all that's required - not a direct connection. You could try SPDIF, just to see how the sound quality compares, but then you won't be streaming which makes an NDX a bit pointless - you might get better results for less cash with an NDAC, for example. 

southern man posted:
ChrisSU posted

Don't attempt to edit CD rips by other means (via a computer) as this can cause problems.

That is exactly what I have done on my Vortexbox previously.

What kind of problems can this cause?

According to the Unitiserve manual (and I believe Naim have said that the same applies to the Core)

"Files should never be added to or deleted from Music Stores via an alternative computer operating system. Note: This is because Music Stores contain not only the ripped CD data files but also the associated database and metadata files. External manipulation of a Music Store will almost certainly result in database or metadata corruption."

I don't know exactly why this is, but if that's what Naim say, I'm not going to chance it.

ChrisSU posted:
southern man posted:
ChrisSU posted

Don't attempt to edit CD rips by other means (via a computer) as this can cause problems.

That is exactly what I have done on my Vortexbox previously.

What kind of problems can this cause?

According to the Unitiserve manual (and I believe Naim have said that the same applies to the Core)

"Files should never be added to or deleted from Music Stores via an alternative computer operating system. Note: This is because Music Stores contain not only the ripped CD data files but also the associated database and metadata files. External manipulation of a Music Store will almost certainly result in database or metadata corruption."

I don't know exactly why this is, but if that's what Naim say, I'm not going to chance it.

Interesting reading - thanks.

If the Unitiserve and Core are liable to such corruption, I guess they'll be off my list forever.

Agree it doesn't sound like a chance worth taking. With many 100s of hours of metatag editing, and no such glitches to date, I'll stick with what I know works.

I only planned a Core as a "tidying up" exercise anyway, to make my system end to end Naim (excl. speakers). 

Well, in defence of naim's approach: I take it that administering a large music library is best and fastest done via a separate database of the metadata. Thus naim servers keep the metadata separate from the music files, right?

Different to other systems naim let's us access / copy the actual music files elsewhere (e.g. from US to Core), but the metadata would need to be reconstructed on the Core (and the MIGRATION from US to Core, that should include a 'metadata-conversion' has not yet been addressed, but it has been promised for end of March). Obviously if one messes with the music files which the metadata are pointing to, then you'd confuse the system.

I've heard that another server manufacturer has tried to address the problem that naim-ripped files do not contain metadata, but I've not heard back if they cracked it. Their problem is that naim-ripped files, without the metadata, don't appear nicely on other servers. - I hope this is all correct and doesn't bore anyone?

Cheers,

Stefan

Hi Stefan, agreed.

 I want the Core's metadata management and editing to:

1. fully recognise my carefully set up metadata on my ripped Unitiserve files; and

2. provide me the same end-user capability to manage my HD library files.  I don't care if their existing tags remain unchanged, I just expect to be able to manage the presentation (via the metadata file) consistently across my library - without having to use other tools

Only then IMO the Core will live up to its promise of enabling me to manage my entire music collection.

Not very much to ask...

Cbr600 posted:

Does anyone have hard dates on shipping of atom?

i ordered one before Xmas, and latest date I heard was at least May before any units are shipped?

and I think that is the base model, not the hdmi version

But is it May 2018 or 2019 that is the question.

DomTomLondon posted:

I also ordered the Atom back in December. I've been told it should be available this May. Very nice of my Hi-Fi dealer, I've been given a SuperUniti on loan until the Atom is ready, so not complaining  ;-)

Lucky you wish my dealer was doing the same. I just got offered take it or leave it and only after i chased. The only danger is presumably the atom will seem like a step backward.

 

Sam

DomTomLondon posted:

Yes that is a concern Sam. The Atom might not be able to match the SuperUniti, but from hearing it at a hi-fi show and from others impressions on this forum, I do believe it is much better than the UnitiQute it replaces, and that will be good enough for me.... I say now ;-)

Are you really concerned that a £1,650 Atom might not be able to match a £3,800 SuperUniti???

Bassfiend posted:
DomTomLondon posted:

Yes that is a concern Sam. The Atom might not be able to match the SuperUniti, but from hearing it at a hi-fi show and from others impressions on this forum, I do believe it is much better than the UnitiQute it replaces, and that will be good enough for me.... I say now ;-)

Are you really concerned that a £1,650 Atom might not be able to match a £3,800 SuperUniti???

Yes I am is that unreasonable?

Bassfiend posted:
DomTomLondon posted:

Yes that is a concern Sam. The Atom might not be able to match the SuperUniti, but from hearing it at a hi-fi show and from others impressions on this forum, I do believe it is much better than the UnitiQute it replaces, and that will be good enough for me.... I say now ;-)

Are you really concerned that a £1,650 Atom might not be able to match a £3,800 SuperUniti???

I'm not concerned that it won't be as good. I'm concerned that I will miss the SuperUniti when I have to give it back. However I also think that the new Uniti range is a big step up in SQ from the old range, and so the Atom should sounds much better than the Qute2 did.

So I was looking to do an A/B comparison of using the core either through the ethernet connection to my streamer or to use the digital out and feed that into the streamer directly. Unfortunately I couldn't work out how on earth to make the Core actually play through the SPIDF connection.

When in the naim App I can see the Core when I select UNP and that works fine but when I select digital in stats no connection. I also tried the n-serve app, thinking ti would be picked up there but that app tells me no server detected.

What am I missing?

chris2000 posted:

So I was looking to do an A/B comparison of using the core either through the ethernet connection to my streamer or to use the digital out and feed that into the streamer directly. Unfortunately I couldn't work out how on earth to make the Core actually play through the SPIDF connection.

When in the naim App I can see the Core when I select UNP and that works fine but when I select digital in stats no connection. I also tried the n-serve app, thinking ti would be picked up there but that app tells me no server detected.

What am I missing?

To get the core to play out of the S/PDIF output then you select the core in the Naim app and control the core - accessing it via UPnP from a streamer only pulls audio via the UPnP server and you don't get a parallel S/PDIF output at the same time...

Phil

Christine posted:

5.  The Desktop software for the US recognises automatically rips that have been done with the Core, but unfortunately if you try to right click to edit the metadata it won't allow you to do so. 

PHIL REPLIED: That's because the UnitiServe is accessing the "Music" folder on the Core as a read only "share" and therefore the UnitiServe won't be able to edit those files - your UnitiServe is accessing the Cores Music folder in the same way as it accesses its "Downloads" folder.

Sorry for digging this out somewhat late: When the US accesses the Music folder on the Core, how does the US organise the music? It won't be able to read the Core's metadata, and presumably it won't be able to write its own metadata into the Core's library. Still, will the US allow search for artist and album, please? (This would be sufficient for me),

Thanks,

Stefan

Stefan Vogt posted:
Christine posted:

5.  The Desktop software for the US recognises automatically rips that have been done with the Core, but unfortunately if you try to right click to edit the metadata it won't allow you to do so. 

PHIL REPLIED: That's because the UnitiServe is accessing the "Music" folder on the Core as a read only "share" and therefore the UnitiServe won't be able to edit those files - your UnitiServe is accessing the Cores Music folder in the same way as it accesses its "Downloads" folder.

Sorry for digging this out somewhat late: When the US accesses the Music folder on the Core, how does the US organise the music? It won't be able to read the Core's metadata, and presumably it won't be able to write its own metadata into the Core's library. Still, will the US allow search for artist and album, please? (This would be sufficient for me),

Thanks,

Stefan

If the files are WAVs then it should use the folder and filenames to populate the Artist, Album and Track Names, if they have been ripped as FLACs then it will pull that information from the file tags...

Cheers

Phil

Many thanks, Phil, I've now got an HDX here, and it works exactly as you described, and album art is magically retrieved, too! It's quite nice, really. I'm still curious how this actually works with WAV files - presumably the HDX hold its own database, separate from the metadata files on the Core (and possibly also separate from the metadata on its own HDD)?

Thanks, Stefan

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