UnitiCore - Does what it says on the box ..... or not !

Hi NBPF, of course, however, I'm not sure what you mean by "comparisons to approaches relying on s/pdif bridges". Do you mean comparisons against say, a computer via USB to USB-s/pdif convertor to DAC, and CD transport to DAC? If so, yes, I will do that once I've got more of a handle on what the Core does and given it a chance to run in a bit.

Richard Dane posted:

Hi NBPF, of course, however, I'm not sure what you mean by "comparisons to approaches relying on s/pdif bridges". Do you mean comparisons against say, a computer via USB to USB-s/pdif convertor to DAC, and CD transport to DAC? If so, yes, I will do that once I've got more of a handle on what the Core does and given it a chance to run in a bit.

Yes, I mean comparisons against a computer via USB to USB-s/pdif convertor to DAC. I seem to remember that you have played around with a few USB-s/pdif convertors from another thread. I think that, when considering electric s/pdif sources for the Naim DAC, it would be very nice to have some term of reference. No matter how the Core will turn out to perform sound quality wise against other s/pdif sources, a single box is probably a more meaningful reference than a solution consisting of long chains of cables, convertors, multiple reclockers, etc. Best, nbpf 

I must say, as a Naim loyalist and in the market for a device like the Core to rip and store my music collection, I'm hesitant to jump in. Reading the above posts, it seems that the Core is anything but a hassle-free solution. Can it sound THAT much better than my present set up - Mac powerbook into a DAC-V1 into a SN2? No ripping issues at all with the powerbook, easy to add cover art and, if you use Audrivana, you can also play DSD files. I'd love a Uniti Core, but only if it's as hassle-free as it's supposed to be. Hopefully things get sorted.....

Cbr600 posted:

I think that there are so many users experiencing these problems with metadata that there has to be a recognition that there is a fundamental issue to be resolved.

Hi,

At the moment there is no metadata editing - this is expected to be released early-to-mid April as far as I am informed here.

User edits on imported "old" music stores will also be restored at the same time.  

Cbr600 posted:

a worry for me, based on comments above, is that many of the CD's I have imported from a nas drive (that were ripped on the HDX, have now gone into the core data storage with nonsense or blank metadata. Now these were not ripped on the core but we're done on the HDX. Above comments suggest this data may not be editable in the app.

Anything that was on an old store that was imported will be editable within the app - anything that is "downloaded" will not. Just as it was on your HDX.

Cbr600 posted:

the other question in the original listing asks if updated software will automatically correct these errors, or require re ripping if CD's. I don't believe this has been answered, but am interested as my listing on the core is not at over 8000 albums, imported and maybe around 100 with missing/wrong metadata

You can use the editing functionality to do new lookups on an albums that were previously ripped on the Core (or on your HDX that were then imported into the Core)

Best

Phil

Paulie posted:

I must say, as a Naim loyalist and in the market for a device like the Core to rip and store my music collection, I'm hesitant to jump in. Reading the above posts, it seems that the Core is anything but a hassle-free solution. Can it sound THAT much better than my present set up - Mac powerbook into a DAC-V1 into a SN2? No ripping issues at all with the powerbook, easy to add cover art and, if you use Audrivana, you can also play DSD files. I'd love a Uniti Core, but only if it's as hassle-free as it's supposed to be. Hopefully things get sorted.....

I guess none can answer your question at the moment. No matter how good it might sound as a s/pdif player, I will not buy a Core unless its software design is radically improved. Still, the Core is an interesting device and it would be a very useful term of comparison for replay solutions involving s/pdif DACs. I am not very much concerned about the current software errors and about the lack of support for metadata editing. These issues are certainly annoying but will hopefully be fixed very soon. I can understand that early adopters are disappointed, however. Naim could have easily avoided the mess by clearly communicating which Core feature were unsupported and which ones were working according to specifications when they started shipping the first devices. Perhaps they have tried to do so through their dealers and people have nevertheless bought devices with beta software releases, but I doubt it.

Morton posted:
Keler Pierre posted:
Morton posted:
Keler Pierre posted:

 I was a little disappointed by the melco n1a and don't think the innuos zenith or antipodes will give better solution. ( from what i read).

I think you have been misinformed, I have an Innuos Zenith, and it doesn't have any of the problems described above.

For a start, it is perfectly possible, after inserting a cd, to view and edit all metadata before ripping.

perhaps for the metadata the innuos is better, but for sound quality, i have not tested but the reviews point better prat for the unitserve, in ethernet mode.  

It is not 'perhaps' & I think you owe it to yourself to go and have a listen rather than just rely on something you have read.
As for whether any of these type of units sound better than a nas, I have no idea, but I do know they don't all sound the same. I was fully intending to buy a Zen until I went to a demo where a guy from Innuos compared a Zen with a Zenith.

 

Morton posted:
Keler Pierre posted:
Morton posted:
Keler Pierre posted:

 I was a little disappointed by the melco n1a and don't think the innuos zenith or antipodes will give better solution. ( from what i read).

I think you have been misinformed, I have an Innuos Zenith, and it doesn't have any of the problems described above.

For a start, it is perfectly possible, after inserting a cd, to view and edit all metadata before ripping.

perhaps for the metadata the innuos is better, but for sound quality, i have not tested but the reviews point better prat for the unitserve, in ethernet mode.  

It is not 'perhaps' & I think you owe it to yourself to go and have a listen rather than just rely on something you have read.
As for whether any of these type of units sound better than a nas, I have no idea, but I do know they don't all sound the same. I was fully intending to buy a Zen until I went to a demo where a guy from Innuos compared a Zen with a Zenith.

i believe you for the metadata in your system but i have a different system. My player is a naim  nds and i use naim app. But you are right,  the innuos zenith have very good press and i would be interested to hear it. But no dealer i know have it.   I think i will go personally with a uniti core, but i am waiting for now, this product must be more mature...

Paulie posted:

 Can it sound THAT much better than my present set up - Mac powerbook into a DAC-V1 into a SN2? 

Comparing here Audirvana on a MacBookPro into a Metrum Pavane DAC via USB, vs the Core into the Pavane via S/PDIF (both into an SN2), the Core is the clear winner. The Audirvana-Mac flattens the presentation. Literally. There is very little depth. The Core opens this up, helping create the illusion of real musicians and a clearer sense of musical threads. Timbral density is improved too. Overall, the Core's presentation is far more engaging than the MacBook. Which was actually pretty impressive, up to now.

Jan

(MacBookPro > Oyaide Neo D+ USB) / (Core > Vivat S/PDIF) > Metrum Pavane > Vivat XLR to RCA > SN2 > Vivat speaker cables> Graham Audio LS5/9 > ears

I wouldn't know what metadata editing is or how to do it. All I know is that I have a unitiserve backed up by a QNAP feeding my NDS and all is fine - perhaps I shouldn't have said that! One of the reasons why I still keep 3 analogue sources too....if all else fails I have a NAT01, LP12 and a Revox B77. If nothing else these remind me what wonderful sounds can still be had from analogue once you get beyond all the hi-res hype and marketing claims.

I'm a real believer in Naim and am sure that they will come through this one. No doubt Phil is looking forward to a cool dark room somewhere

nbpf posted:
Paulie posted:

... Can it sound THAT much better than my present set up - Mac powerbook into a DAC-V1 into a SN2? ...

I guess none can answer your question at the moment. ...

Jan-Erik Nordoen posted:
Paulie posted:

 Can it sound THAT much better than my present set up - Mac powerbook into a DAC-V1 into a SN2? 

Comparing here Audirvana on a MacBookPro into a Metrum Pavane DAC via USB, vs the Core into the Pavane via S/PDIF (both into an SN2), the Core is the clear winner. ...

Thus, I was wrong. Very nice results Jan-Erik, was the MacBookPro connected to the same power plug as the Core?

2000 CDs ripped, 99.9% success rate, approx. 10% needed slight tweaking via N-Serve (either on iMac or iPad) to correct artwork issues or perform my own numbering system to get correct chronology of artists' discs. As a one stop so-simple solution to ripping and storage, the UnitiServe is almost faultless. Downloads are a little more time consuming to sort, but so far have about 500 comfortably nestled on the US, no issues.

All MQ folder contents effortlessly backed up to NAS every night - I take care of the Download folder contents manually every week or so.

As the US is the only source I have for my three Naim streamers I can't comment on how good it's SQ is, except to my ears what it produces sounds stunning!

Unless you're desperate to have a removable hard drive, why don't all you dissatisfied Core customers consider picking up a 2TB UnitiServe and live a stress free, happy existence?!

Everything I've read on this forum makes it almost certain I will not be swapping from the US to the Core.

Tim

Mr Underhill posted:

Had a coffee with my dealer today with the intention of borrowing one of these .....but, unlike the NS01, HDX and UnitiServe this doesn't run a webserver, so you HAVE to use iOS/Android; end of discussion, shame.

M

Too bad! Does your dealer know whether this is a conscious design choice or just a missing functionality? Is a web interface going to be implemented later like metadata editing functionalities?

When I had a unitiserve I did all the editing of metadata from an iPad and it was really easy. I managed to get 2,000 albums correct, the main thing that I chose to alter being genre. As buyers of the Core will be running it from an app it seems entirely sensible to do everything from the said app. 

Timmo1341 posted:

2000 CDs ripped, 99.9% success rate, approx. 10% needed slight tweaking via N-Serve (either on iMac or iPad) to correct artwork issues or perform my own numbering system to get correct chronology of artists' discs. As a one stop so-simple solution to ripping and storage, the UnitiServe is almost faultless. Downloads are a little more time consuming to sort, but so far have about 500 comfortably nestled on the US, no issues.

All MQ folder contents effortlessly backed up to NAS every night - I take care of the Download folder contents manually every week or so.

As the US is the only source I have for my three Naim streamers I can't comment on how good it's SQ is, except to my ears what it produces sounds stunning!

Unless you're desperate to have a removable hard drive, why don't all you dissatisfied Core customers consider picking up a 2TB UnitiServe and live a stress free, happy existence?!

Everything I've read on this forum makes it almost certain I will not be swapping from the US to the Core.

Tim

Tim, your idea is one option, but depends on size of music library.

i already have a 2Tb HDX, but alas I have 10Tb of music data, hence the core with a 10Tb hdd, and retaining the nas drives as secure back up

nbpf posted:
Mr Underhill posted:

Had a coffee with my dealer today with the intention of borrowing one of these .....but, unlike the NS01, HDX and UnitiServe this doesn't run a webserver, so you HAVE to use iOS/Android; end of discussion, shame.

M

Too bad! Does your dealer know whether this is a conscious design choice or just a missing functionality? Is a web interface going to be implemented later like metadata editing functionalities?

I just took it as deliberate design as they would have had to actively change their current server functional spec. Hope our posts may make them reconsider, in the meanwhile I will explore other avenues.

M

Phil Harris posted:
Cbr600 posted:

I think that there are so many users experiencing these problems with metadata that there has to be a recognition that there is a fundamental issue to be resolved.

Hi,

At the moment there is no metadata editing - this is expected to be released early-to-mid April as far as I am informed here.

User edits on imported "old" music stores will also be restored at the same time.  

Cbr600 posted:

a worry for me, based on comments above, is that many of the CD's I have imported from a nas drive (that were ripped on the HDX, have now gone into the core data storage with nonsense or blank metadata. Now these were not ripped on the core but we're done on the HDX. Above comments suggest this data may not be editable in the app.

Anything that was on an old store that was imported will be editable within the app - anything that is "downloaded" will not. Just as it was on your HDX.

Cbr600 posted:

the other question in the original listing asks if updated software will automatically correct these errors, or require re ripping if CD's. I don't believe this has been answered, but am interested as my listing on the core is not at over 8000 albums, imported and maybe around 100 with missing/wrong metadata

You can use the editing functionality to do new lookups on an albums that were previously ripped on the Core (or on your HDX that were then imported into the Core)

Best

Phil

even there is some problems with metadata, i am interested by the core. Can you tell me what hdd drive or ssd was put inside the core in a recent naim statement show, in association with an nds as first source ?   naim recommends seagate hdd or samsung evo ssd. Do you think the samsung can be better than seagate for sound quality with the core?  thanks in advance 

Keler Pierre posted:

even there is some problems with metadata, i am interested by the core. Can you tell me what hdd drive or ssd was put inside the core in a recent naim statement show, in association with an nds as first source ?   naim recommends seagate hdd or samsung evo ssd. Do you think the samsung can be better than seagate for sound quality with the core?  thanks in advance 

If all goes to plan then metadata editing will be available shortly so that should resolve that issue.

Any units that have been prepped by us to go out to shows would have 2TB Seagate Pipeline / Video drives in them as that's what we have done most of our testing with and what we recommend.

Best

Phil

Ravenswood10 posted:

<<SNIP>>

No doubt Phil is looking forward to a cool dark room somewhere

Sometimes that does seem like a nice option...

The reality is that the Core is a new product and it is expected that it will be evolved over its lifetime so functionality will be added as it moves forward and obviously there are also roadmaps internally for where the Core functionality is intended to head.

Active discussion on here is good and I really have no problem with that at all but be aware that I can't just wave my magic fairy wand and make things happen - I wish I could - but *ALL* feedback is most definitely very much appreciated and taken note of .

Now, although I do understand that it is easy to post up on here in the forums, we don't monitor everything that is posted so the best way to get feedback back to us (whether that's for issues that you are having or for functionality requests) is to get hold of us directly then I can make sure that your request gets fed into the functionality requests setup we have here and then it gets through to the software guys at their regular dev meetings.

Core's been out since December last year (which is when we started shipping) and we know that there are a lot of units out there because we see the product registrations come through. Most of those units are working away happily and we never hear from them.

Yes, there is obviously discussion up here from people with issues with their Cores (and we do get issues reported directly back to us of course) but it is a very small number of users in comparison to the number of units actually in use out in the field. That doesn't mean that I/we don't take those problems seriously - quite the opposite - but it does mean that for those people that are having issues we need to be able to work through those issues with the individuals to identify what the causes of their issues are so we do need them to talk to us to move their problems forward.

This is why I ask that if someone is having problems then they contact us directly rather than just post up on here (often in the middle of an existing thread), assume that we'll see their specific report and fix something that we haven't seen occur either back here at Naim towers or with the Beta test group.

Best

Phil

Red Kite posted:

Thanks Phil, Is there a chance you can update so we can insert our own cover photo if you publish the resolution/size/file format required ?

I'm not sure what you mean by this? Update what? I believe that you can search for alternative cover art and add that and I believe that you would be able to use images from your photos album for this if that is what you mean?

Best

Phil

jon honeyball posted:

Being ultra pedantic, there is a customer accessible web gui in place. It just returns a title of Naim and a black page. 

It would make little sense installing and running a web server only to provide customers with a black page. Perhaps worth trying some plausible URLs?

nbpf posted:
jon honeyball posted:

Being ultra pedantic, there is a customer accessible web gui in place. It just returns a title of Naim and a black page. 

It would make little sense installing and running a web server only to provide customers with a black page. Perhaps worth trying some plausible URLs?

There are various settings that we can change and debug that we can pull from the core by sending commands to that page - there isn't a GUI behind it.

Cheers

Phil 

Phil Harris posted:
jon honeyball posted:

Being ultra pedantic, there is a customer accessible web gui in place. It just returns a title of Naim and a black page. 

*chuckle* Being ultra ultra pedantic it's not a GUI if it doesn't give a user interface that is graphical.

Phil

But but but, wait a moment! A black page seems quite graphical to me. Perhaps it's the interface bit that is missing? Or perhaps the user? Is it perhaps an interface for non-users? Or for super users? Best, nbpf 

Phil Harris posted:
nbpf posted:
jon honeyball posted:

Being ultra pedantic, there is a customer accessible web gui in place. It just returns a title of Naim and a black page. 

It would make little sense installing and running a web server only to provide customers with a black page. Perhaps worth trying some plausible URLs?

There are various settings that we can change and debug that we can pull from the core by sending commands to that page - there isn't a GUI behind it.

Cheers

Phil 

Ah, cool. Thanks, nbpf

My experience with the Core has been great.  It was easy to set up and plays beautifully.  I have loaded 117 albums to date and 2 are messed-up, but they are somewhat obscure jazz titles. Another 5 don't have album art.  I don't think it's the end of the world and with the new app coming in a month it should all be sorted.  Lots of angst filled posts in this thread (and from some who don't own a Core?).   I'm very happy with my Core.  I loathe playing with computers and this was perfect solution for me.  

Phil Harris posted:
Red Kite posted:

Thanks Phil, Is there a chance you can update so we can insert our own cover photo if you publish the resolution/size/file format required ?

I'm not sure what you mean by this? Update what? I believe that you can search for alternative cover art and add that and I believe that you would be able to use images from your photos album for this if that is what you mean?

Best

Phil

Yes, i didnt know you could do that, is it through the app as it wont allow me to put a .jpg in the music folder ?

Red Kite posted:
Phil Harris posted:
Red Kite posted:

Thanks Phil, Is there a chance you can update so we can insert our own cover photo if you publish the resolution/size/file format required ?

I'm not sure what you mean by this? Update what? I believe that you can search for alternative cover art and add that and I believe that you would be able to use images from your photos album for this if that is what you mean?

Best

Phil

Yes, i didnt know you could do that, is it through the app as it wont allow me to put a .jpg in the music folder ?

Yes ... once the metadata editing is implemented then you will be able to update cover art for ripped CDs.

Cheers

Phil

Here's an interesting query?

does the core file system have a limit?

i am still importing music from the nas drives, and there is lots of space still on the core internal hdd, but as the import process in reading and installing thousands of files (tracks), the album number count has stayed the same.

the count has reached 9403 albums and has not changed inspire of multiple albums being imported?

is this a system limit or some other glitch?

Er....9,403 albums and counting. How many lives have you already lived, and how many more will you need to get through at least one listen to each? Do you have a day job ( or have you ever had one!!??). And are you still adding to the collection, and do you read books, watch rugby, go sailing.......? Just curious, and would you please share the recipe?

 

David O'Higgins posted:

Er....9,403 albums and counting. How many lives have you already lived, and how many more will you need to get through at least one listen to each? Do you have a day job ( or have you ever had one!!??). And are you still adding to the collection, and do you read books, watch rugby, go sailing.......? Just curious, and would you please share the recipe?

 

I find your reply somewhat offensive, use timing whether I have a day job.

yes I work in hospitals, and have done so for many years. Have never been out of work.

i suggest you retract the offensive post or have the moderator do it 

Moderated Post:  I didn't read David's post as necessarily offensive - I read it as being rather impressed, and perhaps just a tad jealous. Under the circumstances I'm sure he may well respond before I need to take any action here.

Cbr600 posted:

Here's an interesting query?

does the core file system have a limit?

i am still importing music from the nas drives, and there is lots of space still on the core internal hdd, but as the import process in reading and installing thousands of files (tracks), the album number count has stayed the same.

the count has reached 9403 albums and has not changed inspire of multiple albums being imported?

is this a system limit or some other glitch?

A software error, I guess: http://stackoverflow.com/quest...i-put-in-a-directory Best, nbpf

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