UnitiCore - Does what it says on the box ..... or not !

when i borrowed the core and compared it to my unitserve, i appreciated three  things : the first was a little more clear and dynamic sound. Then the possibility to put ssd drive inside ( my unitserve is making frequently annoying noise) , to put a good power cord on it also.

Finally i liked the possibility to import downloads using only the ipad.

But the problem with metadata, with rips and downloads, are the important reason for me not to buy it now.

Cbr600 posted:

I think earlier in the tread it was mentioned that there wasn't much requests for improved metadata editing in the follows folder, when looking at how many cores have been sold.

maybe interested parties on the forum should add their weight to this request , and might get Naim to consider this. How about an online petition?

I am signing too for this petition.

 

Regards,

Sourav

I'm also holding off on my purchase of a Core, pending resolution of the issues.  In addition, my dealer has yet to receive a Core that sounds as good as my existing UnitiServe SSD (large inter-unit variability of the four or so Cores he's received to date), so until reproducibility of sound between Core units is resolved as well, neither of us wants to pay money to become beta testers of this product that's still development.  

My UnitiServe SSD gives me great sound (certainly much better than a NAS-only solution) and allows me to do all the things that I need to do (editing, etc.), so no need to change or spend money on a replacement product that doesn't currently deliver the sound or features of what I'm currently enjoying today.

Having said that, once the Issues with the Core have been resolved, I'm happy to come back and reconsider.

ATB.  George.

GeeJay posted:

Core will be a great product once it's fully developed.

ATB. George.

So these first owners are sort of unwilling beta-testers? Seriously, I know that Naim takes everything seriously and I am not remotely expert of, or interested in, streaming to comment properly, but I once wrote to Naim asking if the HDX, then just released, could connect to the Internet and download and store music directly from websites. Of course not, it was only for ripping CDs, which meant changing the storing system from single optical to collective hard disc.

That's the point for me: until the day a machine will be done that connects with music-selling download sites directly, I buy music and it downloads on my device (yes, I know that the device exists and is called a computer) I won't be interested and will still prefer to spin a CD with its proper tool. Having to choose between simply changing status to my CD collection (a track on a CD or a track on a HD or SSD) or having to use a computer to access the Internet and buy, to then transfer the 'liquid' file either to a HD or keep it on the computer itself, needing a costly machine to simply take the file from the computer to make it visible to an amp, gives exactly the dimension of temporariness to everything that I still find so discouraging.

But I admire the pioneers (the customers) who are, with their patience and dedication, helping Naim to finally release what they want. I wonder why Naim, before accepting being bought by Focal, hasn't considered being bought by its customers – a coop, or something. I would have subscribed. Who knows if a way did exist.

ChrisSU posted:
Richard Morris posted:

Most downloads need editing in my experience.

Yes, you can do it via Metadatics but if you make a mistake or have a rethink on how you want the data to appear then the only option is to remove the download, edit and recopy to the drive. That's cumbersome and short-sighted.

There's no need to remove a download from the Unitiserve Downloads folder to edit it with Metadatics or whatever. You can do it while the files are still on the US, you just may need to do a rescan to get the edits to show up. …

How do you edit, for example, genre in the US folder?

Richard Morris posted:
ChrisSU posted:
Richard Morris posted:

Most downloads need editing in my experience.

Yes, you can do it via Metadatics but if you make a mistake or have a rethink on how you want the data to appear then the only option is to remove the download, edit and recopy to the drive. That's cumbersome and short-sighted.

There's no need to remove a download from the Unitiserve Downloads folder to edit it with Metadatics or whatever. You can do it while the files are still on the US, you just may need to do a rescan to get the edits to show up. …

How do you edit, for example, genre in the US folder?

By finding the Downloads folder on a Mac, navigating to the album, and opening it in Metadatics. The same process as if it was stored on the Mac. Then rescan, otherwise it may take a while before the edits are visible on the app.

All this sounds like a right ballache. I tend to by albums I really like and want on vinyl nowadays and only occasionally a cd that I rip onto my mac. It's easier to just pic up the iPad and find what I want on Tidal these days. Sounds good to me while I'm going about my business. Any real chilled out sessions are covered by vinyl replay. 

Not interested core, computers do my head in 

GeeJay posted:

I'm also holding off on my purchase of a Core, pending resolution of the issues.  In addition, my dealer has yet to receive a Core that sounds as good as my existing UnitiServe SSD (large inter-unit variability of the four or so Cores he's received to date), so until reproducibility of sound between Core units is resolved as well, neither of us wants to pay money to become beta testers of this product that's still development.  

My UnitiServe SSD gives me great sound (certainly much better than a NAS-only solution) and allows me to do all the things that I need to do (editing, etc.), so no need to change or spend money on a replacement product that doesn't currently deliver the sound or features of what I'm currently enjoying today.

Having said that, once the Issues with the Core have been resolved, I'm happy to come back and reconsider.

ATB.  George.

i agree for 100%!

ChrisSU posted:
Richard Morris posted:
ChrisSU posted:
Richard Morris posted:

Most downloads need editing in my experience.

Yes, you can do it via Metadatics but if you make a mistake or have a rethink on how you want the data to appear then the only option is to remove the download, edit and recopy to the drive. That's cumbersome and short-sighted.

There's no need to remove a download from the Unitiserve Downloads folder to edit it with Metadatics or whatever. You can do it while the files are still on the US, you just may need to do a rescan to get the edits to show up. …

How do you edit, for example, genre in the US folder?

By finding the Downloads folder on a Mac, navigating to the album, and opening it in Metadatics. The same process as if it was stored on the Mac. Then rescan, otherwise it may take a while before the edits are visible on the app.

Thanks. Never realised that was possible.

( As the OP, i thought this reply from myself on another thread might be relavent here, after I lost the download folder and tried to resolve it with Naim. )

 

After a number of email exchanges and resets i heard nothing more so i have returned the unit to my dealer and have a replacement. I can see and use my download folder and took 13Hrs to restore my music from the backup !

Interestingly, the new unit ripped successfully a CD that skipped on the last track of the old unit.The CD had not been cleaned and was exactly the same condition as when i tried it on the first machine. I'm not sure if this works but if you want to listen, here is the last minute of the track......

Of more significance, is that the two Cores sounded different. I thought the first one was bright with too much sibilance but my previous CDS3 was quite a warm player, i listen a lot to vinyl, so i thought that the Core might burn in. However, i was pleasantly surprised when the new unit arrived. I have played both Core units to my wife and she commented unprompted that the violins sounded more harsh or tinny in a direct comparison and brass a bit razzy on the first unit. She is not into HiFi, but like me is also a musician.

Moderated Post:  Red Kite, I've removed your links to ripped music - please note links to rips are not allowed.

Hi Red Kite - a bit of a thread drift (apologises to all)  but as a keen ornithologist your Milvus milvus forum name attracted me,  then further intrigued by your Eb soprano cornet avatar  - I used to blow my brains out on them -  then I see you're location is 'Chilterns'.    I grew up around Marlow,  moved to Oxfordshire many years ago I now live on a small hill with super views of the Chilterns from Wendover to the Berkshire Downs.

Questions;  The Chilterns are not a happy hunting ground for FM radio & wondered how it is with your NAT-01.   And do you play cornet - & if so with who??.    

overjp posted:

Thanks, Red Kite. For the avoidance of doubt, could someone from Naim please advise what, if any, variations may exist between the earliest manufactured UnitiCores and those most recently produced, apart from the installed firmware. Thank you.

Hi,

Absolutely none ... they are all identical - there have been no hardware revisions to the Core.

Best

Phil

 

I've been told that the digital out of the uniticore is ahead of the dig.out of the unitiserv and also ahead of the upnp of either unit. (Blows away is the term I've heard).

In order to understand this, how does the digital out compare to using a USB stick straight into the streamer?

Chag... posted:

And, as suggested on another thread, how would the dig-out of the Core be so different technically that it would be SQ superior to the Serve's? :] 

Chag -

So far, the Core's current deficiencies have been quite well documented in this thread and elsewhere. But we still lack a thorough assessment of its sound quality and systematic comparisons with other established solutions. At a certain point, it would be nice to see some serious reviews of the new Naim server.   

MangoMonkey posted:

 

I've been told that the digital out of the uniticore is ahead of the dig.out of the unitiserv and also ahead of the upnp of either unit.(Blows away is the term I've heard).

 

and does that very phrase not tell you everything you need to know?

 

 

.sjb

MangoMonkey posted:

Well, the usb stick also blows away the upnp. Which one blows it away further is the question.

OTOH, if this is the direction Naim is taking, there is no need for a high end naim streamer. There should be a new naim Dac instead.

i don't understand when you had these informations.  I compared during 3 days the uniticore vs my unitserve tp ps, in upnp mode, and the sound quality was quite the same. ( as the serve has no linear ps, the comparaison was more fair using also linear ps on the serve).

On dc1, the core with ndac, the core must be better vs the serve without a linear ps. But blows away, it is exaggerate.

MangoMonkey posted:

 

I've been told that the digital out of the uniticore is ahead of the dig.out of the unitiserv and also ahead of the upnp of either unit. (Blows away is the term I've heard).

In order to understand this, how does the digital out compare to using a USB stick straight into the streamer?

I am puzzled as to which direction to take also,I have an Xps dr on home demo right now for my 272/250dr.Would I be better off with a Core and the Xps,or go with a 555dr and use USB drives?My problem is I can not demo the core or the 555,my dealer works from his house now,and only orders things you want to buy...he already had the xps on hand.

MangoMonkey posted:

The upnp is supposed to be similar in. It's units. You found that too.

On the UNitiserv, the digital out was not the best.

However, the digital out is supposed to be way better than the upnp on the core.

in the statement demo, naim audio uses uniticore with nds in upnp mode, not dc1. Perhaps if naim will produce a better dac than the ndac, the core with this new dac will be better than nds/core in upnp. But it's not the case today. The ndac is not as good as the dac inside the nds, and the nds is better as player, with the core in ethernet mode. 

The core is better than the serve in spdif because of a better ps , so core/ ndac is better than serve/ndac. But nds/core in upnp is actually the best naim source.  Perhaps the core with a dcs dac or msb...etc...is better than nds/core in upnp....but i have not listened to.

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