UnitiLite - NEAT Motive SX2 replacment

One box or multiple boxes?

If you are strictly one box then you have 2 options from Naim (if you want a CD Player); either NaimUniti or a UnitiLite.  If you can either move to everything streamed, or willing to accept a separate CD player; then you could look at SuperUniti.

Alternatively move away from the one-box line and you have a lot of possibilities.

Personally at that budget ... I would look at the SuperUniti to replace your UnitiLite; and add a Pioneer BDP170 to spin discs.

As for the NAP200 ... I added one to my old UnitiQute and it offered a good improvement ... but I always knew it was a step on a path to my current NAC272-N + NAP200 setup.  I'm not sure I would advise it as a one-time upgrade.

Of course ... as always ... you need to demo and try!

That's what I would get too - an exdem 272 and a used 200, which is easily doable for £4K. As you didn't play the CDs before you don't need to play them now. The Superuniti will be a lot better than the Lite, but the 272/200 will be miles better than the Superuniti for not a huge amount more money. 

Yes, the SU is still a great option for the money, but.....

There aren't too many used 272s around yet as it hasn't been around for long enough. The reason I suggested a used 200 is that there is little or no benefit to a new 200DR if paired with a 272, as the DR bit won't be used, so you could save £1k by buying a second hand one.

Why the change? What size room? What speaker cable being used currently? What is it about the current system which has given you the upgrade bug? Perhaps the answers to these questions can help us understand the need in order to fulfill the requirement.

Frank.

HI Frank,

16' 7" x 13' 6" (5.05m x 4.11m) UPVC double glazed bay window to

front, wall mounted gas fire with wood surround. 

Im using NAIM NAC A5 cables.

I was contemplating the upgrade as Im assuming the high end models will take the sound experience to the next level.

 

Nice sized right room! You can go a long way in the HiFi world with a room like that. Your system is a good system as it is. The higher end systems do give more. Apart from the obvious improvements in resolution, scale and dynamics, they often improve in more subtle areas such as rhythm, nuance and finally engagement.

If you haven't been using your CD player at all, it does seem a shame to spend money on a better one to not use it, be it a separate item or as part of an all in one Uniti2. Therefore the obvious solution is a SuperUniti o a 272/200 (250?) if you want to go 2-box, or even an ND5XS/NaitXS2 if you want to go truly 'separates'. All these would suit the SX2s in different ways. You could then focus more on the server side of the solution, allowing you to explore the world of Innuos, Melco, Roon, Asset, etc. 

Frank.

Hi Frank,

what would be useful for me is to have a matrix between the versions so I could see were the technical enhancements lay between the products, do you know if this exists?

I agree, the CD player is redundant so would look at a SuperUniti or the 272/200 set up. No one has mentioned it so I  assume my speakers would be good enough with either of these options?

The Server side of the system is on my list. I use the Android app to connect to a Synology NAS. were the music is stored as FLAC. The connection is over Ethernet as i found the Wifi couldn't handle FLAC.  The NAIM app is ok at best. A bit un-involving IMO

The Synology is all you need. I'd suggest that you set the media server to transcode to wav, as this will sound better. Be aware though that it will not transcode gapless albums properly, so if that's an issue for you you can load MinimServer, which transcodes everything with no problems. 

The Motives are good speakers and will be fine with the SU or a 272/200, though in time better speakers will bring rewards. 

If you're looking for a used 200 it should come with the correct lead, just connect it to the 272 and use it with the Naim app in the same way as the Uniti. If the 200 is old, it might benefit from a service, so bear this in mind if you see an older one at what appears to be a bargain price. 

If you're not already using a proper rack, the new gear will really benefit from one.

If you're buying through a Naim dealer, they should be able to help you with all this, so make them earn their money! Good luck.

Monkadill posted:

Its a late 2002 model NAP 200 with SNAIC 4 cables

Get the serial number from the seller, and Naim will be able to tell you if it's ever been serviced or repaired by them. If it hasn't, at that age, it will need a recap. Either Naim, or Class A in Sheffield, can do this, then it will sound as good as new, but check the cost and consider if this is good value compared to a newer unit. There will always be another one for sale, so if in doubt, leave it.

Sorry, been out of the loop for a while. The Neats are revealing and should show a very handy upgrade like you're making rather well. The 272/200 can obviously reveal much more in future. However, the next thing to look at would be the MinimServer on the Synology. I hear that this is a VERY worthwhile thing to do on the Synology servers.

Frank.

*Update*

I am the proud owner of a N272 / NAP200. I managed to source a ex demo N272 and NAP 200, the N272 is 2016 and the NAP 200 2012. I traded my Unitilite in against the N272 so the package cost me £2850 with the trade in : )

The system is up and running and my first observation is that the music has a far greater depth. 

Monkadill posted:

*Update*

I am the proud owner of a N272 / NAP200. I managed to source a ex demo N272 and NAP 200, the N272 is 2016 and the NAP 200 2012. I traded my Unitilite in against the N272 so the package cost me £2850 with the trade in : )

The system is up and running and my first observation is that the music has a far greater depth. 

Hope you're enjoying it as much with your Neat SX2 as I enjoy that combo with my PMC 20.23

Frank Abela posted:

Sorry, been out of the loop for a while. The Neats are revealing and should show a very handy upgrade like you're making rather well. The 272/200 can obviously reveal much more in future. However, the next thing to look at would be the MinimServer on the Synology. I hear that this is a VERY worthwhile thing to do on the Synology servers.

Frank.

Thanks for the tip on the MinimSever Frank, it turns out to be very good.

The upgrade journey continues.. traded my NEAT Motive SX's in against new s-400's.

As per all the posts on here Im in the running in phase. Day one and I was wondering if I had made a mistake as the speaker sound was awful, the bass booming. Day 2 and they have settled in immensely and they are a pleasure to listen too. My initial observation is there is more Bass which is great. Im stuck by the constraints of my room so have a 70cm gap behind the speaker and 20 from the side wall and 15 cm from the unit. 

Does anyone run there S-400's on plinths such as granite slabs? 

XPSDR is joining the show next week and that will be done for now. 

 

Monkadill posted:

The upgrade journey continues.. traded my NEAT Motive SX's in against new s-400's.

As per all the posts on here Im in the running in phase. Day one and I was wondering if I had made a mistake as the speaker sound was awful, the bass booming. Day 2 and they have settled in immensely and they are a pleasure to listen too. My initial observation is there is more Bass which is great. Im stuck by the constraints of my room so have a 70cm gap behind the speaker and 20 from the side wall and 15 cm from the unit. 

Does anyone run there S-400's on plinths such as granite slabs? 

XPSDR is joining the show next week and that will be done for now. 

 

Congrats Mark on your S400. It would be great once your system settles if you can elaborate on your observations between the Neat SX2 and the S400s. I happen to have the SX2 and they are excellent in my room with my SN2.

Moussa posted:
Monkadill posted:

The upgrade journey continues.. traded my NEAT Motive SX's in against new s-400's.

As per all the posts on here Im in the running in phase. Day one and I was wondering if I had made a mistake as the speaker sound was awful, the bass booming. Day 2 and they have settled in immensely and they are a pleasure to listen too. My initial observation is there is more Bass which is great. Im stuck by the constraints of my room so have a 70cm gap behind the speaker and 20 from the side wall and 15 cm from the unit. 

Does anyone run there S-400's on plinths such as granite slabs? 

XPSDR is joining the show next week and that will be done for now. 

 

Congrats Mark on your S400. It would be great once your system settles if you can elaborate on your observations between the Neat SX2 and the S400s. I happen to have the SX2 and they are excellent in my room with my SN2.

Thanks Moussa. Im not particularly clued up on the right terms for sound but I will share the initial observations at about 50hrs running. The bass is strong, that was my only real criticism of the SX2's was that they lacked bass. The S400s need less power to produce the right sound, I would run my SX2's at volume 50 for a strong sound but the S400 only need 35.  There is a greater sound stage, I never really understood the expression "sound stage" but when I heard it i knew what was meant. At the moment the sound of the S400s are a bit hollow and i'm hopping this changes soon. The SX2s were warm and vibrant. At this point in time I would say they havn't surpassed the Neats.

Monkadill posted:
Moussa posted:
Monkadill posted:

The upgrade journey continues.. traded my NEAT Motive SX's in against new s-400's.

As per all the posts on here Im in the running in phase. Day one and I was wondering if I had made a mistake as the speaker sound was awful, the bass booming. Day 2 and they have settled in immensely and they are a pleasure to listen too. My initial observation is there is more Bass which is great. Im stuck by the constraints of my room so have a 70cm gap behind the speaker and 20 from the side wall and 15 cm from the unit. 

Does anyone run there S-400's on plinths such as granite slabs? 

XPSDR is joining the show next week and that will be done for now. 

 

Congrats Mark on your S400. It would be great once your system settles if you can elaborate on your observations between the Neat SX2 and the S400s. I happen to have the SX2 and they are excellent in my room with my SN2.

Thanks Moussa. Im not particularly clued up on the right terms for sound but I will share the initial observations at about 50hrs running. The bass is strong, that was my only real criticism of the SX2's was that they lacked bass. The S400s need less power to produce the right sound, I would run my SX2's at volume 50 for a strong sound but the S400 only need 35.  There is a greater sound stage, I never really understood the expression "sound stage" but when I heard it i knew what was meant. At the moment the sound of the S400s are a bit hollow and i'm hopping this changes soon. The SX2s were warm and vibrant. At this point in time I would say they havn't surpassed the Neats.

Hope you still have the Motives, I'd take these anyday the week over Ovators

Need deeper bas get at sub

 

The Journey is over, XPSDR was that last piece of the puzzle for now. Ref the S400's they take 250 hrs to run in and the sound improvement in the space of a few days is noticeable. As they say, i'm hanging in there with them. The XPSDR has already lifted the sound and that also needs running in. All good in my eyes.

Everything is sitting in a Ikea stand for now, target up..

Klout10 posted:

That's some statement ... indeed, I love my Motive SX2's ... hope the sound will change soon ...

Well its happened, the Ovators are broken in now and  the sound is substantially better then id hoped for. The sound quality has now surpassed my Motives (phew) which you would expect. They are a simply amazing. Its been a expensive journey to get form the Neats / Untilite to N272/Nap200/XPSDR/S400's but with some haggling, luck (tax return) and pointers from HungryHallibut I've made it!

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