Updated ProAc Response D30DS and D30RS Speakers

You may not know yet that ProAc has just updated the D30 to D30S. It is still available in a dome or ribbon tweeter - Response D30DS and D30RS respectively.

ProAc claims having developed a new 17.5 cm bass driver using a cone made from pulp and Mica, similar to the one used in their D48, to replace the 16.5 cm carbon fiber cone speaker of the original D30 for a flatter response. Note that the cabinet dimensions will stay the same.

Hopefully they have solved the issue of a little too warm of a bass response with the D30R. :]

Chag -

Original Post

Didn't know the D30R had too warm of a bass response, I just auditioned some and they sounded excellent.

Not a fan of ribbon tweeters on the current Proac's, so I am looking forward to hearing the new speakers. Who knows, maybe a pair will come home with me.

analogmusic posted:

any advice on paring of the D20 with 282/250DR? I love my Dynaudio F260, but too big  for my small audio room.

Realize you asked about the 282/250 DR, but .... I demo'd the Proac D20R recently. Too big for my 14' x 16'  room with the SN2/HCDR combo. Excellent with the bare SN2. I've demo'd a half dozen speakers the past year and D20R is easily tops on my list. Well controlled by the SN2 and the ribbon tweeter works very well in my room.

badlands posted:

Some new speakers are in the works, hopefully they can be auditioned at this years Axpona in April.

I read in December about the update to the D30R that Chag mentioned which I understood would also include a change to the crossover. My question to my dealer was whether the D20R will soon get the same treatment. He doesn't know. Any one here heard anything?

Didn't know the D30R had too warm of a bass response, I just auditioned some and they sounded excellent.

I'd like to get the D30R home for an audition except that they are 1) above my budget and 2) likely too big for my room. What I've read about the D30R is that the bass is overall better controlled than the D20R, but there is a noticeable boost in the mid bass. Many forum writers were put off by this mid bass elevation. I didn't notice it when I listened at the dealers, but that was for about 10 minutes.

Hi Chag

i took delivery of one of the very first D30RS in November, and am delighted with them, just about run in now. They replaced a pair of D28s I had for 5 years. I was fond of the D28s but the bass was just well enough controlled when we moved house back to the UK. The D30RS are much better controlled, and to my ears at least have improved dynamics. Sensitivity is about the same as the D28s, possibly the 30s are slightly more efficient when driven by my SN1. I've since upgraded the amp to a 250DR and am thrilled with the result. Room size is about 10m by 4m.

Very happy indeed...

Paul

I have a pair of D40R driven by a 500DR.  Love the sound of the speaker.    The bottom firing woofer is problematic.  I tamed it with a set of Herbies Fat Gliders.   These are cheap and excellent.  They perform the opposite of spikes to eliminate the floor driven room resonance.   They allow you to slide the speakers on your hardwood floor to perfect the  layout.   At the price, I recommend these to everybody.    They have changed my system for the better at under $200 altogether.   

Skip posted:

I have a pair of D40R driven by a 500DR.  Love the sound of the speaker.    The bottom firing woofer is problematic.  I tamed it with a set of Herbies Fat Gliders.   These are cheap and excellent.  They perform the opposite of spikes to eliminate the floor driven room resonance.   They allow you to slide the speakers on your hardwood floor to perfect the  layout.   At the price, I recommend these to everybody.    They have changed my system for the better at under $200 altogether.   

Skip

Did you go for the ones into which spikes sit, or the ones that dispense with spikes altogether? Standard size or Giant for the D40s? I'm likely going for K6 this year, and would be interested in giving these a try. Thanks.

 

Evlampi, I didn't get the chance to hear the D30 vs the D30S side by side. If I could work out how to post an image, I would do so......

Skip - I too am interested to hear about the feet for the speakers. Especially did you go for "cups" which the spikes sit on, or the screw-in feet ?

With the number of folks these days who have wooden floors rather than carpet, I'm surprised there isn't more discussion of speaker feet/cups. Views welcome as ever....

Paul

badlands posted:

I don't think you can get them anymore, as they have been discontinued, if you had to order them, I would guess you will receive the newer speaker D30RS.

It was a display item. I believe D30RS has not started selling in my country but the dealer want to clear the old models ASAP beforehand. 

PBenny1066 posted:

Hi Chag

i took delivery of one of the very first D30RS in November, and am delighted with them, just about run in now. They replaced a pair of D28s I had for 5 years. I was fond of the D28s but the bass was just well enough controlled when we moved house back to the UK. The D30RS are much better controlled, and to my ears at least have improved dynamics. Sensitivity is about the same as the D28s, possibly the 30s are slightly more efficient when driven by my SN1. I've since upgraded the amp to a 250DR and am thrilled with the result. Room size is about 10m by 4m.

Very happy indeed...

Paul

Hi Paul;

Thank you so much for this feedback. As you may have understood, I indeed had been contemplating replacing my D28s by D30Rs. :hello:

Best wishes,

Chag -

badlands posted:

They also discontinued the Studio 148's, even though they are still on the website. The D18's have also been discontinued. Some new speakers are in the works, hopefully they can be auditioned at this years Axpona in April.

Really? They didn't last long. I think the studio 140s mk1 and mkII got 5 years each? Poor sales or something else? Be interesting to see what (if) they replace them with. 

Stringerbell posted:

yes they didn't last very long ( very strange) , if it is true. Is there a link somewhere, that confirms that information ?

The info came straight from the US distributor, who got it straight from Proac. The Studio 148 and D18 have been confirmed discontinued.

They cannot order either speaker any longer. None are being manufactured, I was told it is a cabinet supply problem,.

I used my Ex-demo D30R  pair for a month and these are my findings:

  • They are still far way from broken in despite I run them for 10 hours a day.
  • The display pair I auditioned in the dealer were also far from broken in.
  • The improvement from day 1 to now was so huge.
  • In my taste, Proac is a better match to Naim, comparing to B&W and PMC.

Hope you find these information useful.

 

I don't think a 5si would struggle to power the D30S, but it most likely won't be able to control and keep the lower part of the spectrum tight. Whatever could be the improvement made to the D30S, I am afraid you will still need a 250, maybe a 200, to drive them.  :/

Chag -

Derelict posted:

Getting the upgrade itch again I is .... currently have a nait 5si with a cd5si singing through proac studio 148s... thinking super nait ... *wipes drool*

Would a 5si struggle to power a set of D30S's? 

The 148 is very likely already too much for that system. Once you have a CDX2/XPSDR and 282/Hicap/250 the D30 might make sense. 

I agree with HH.
I have used 148 for two years , before my current atc 19. My first amplifier with those speakers was a unitilite. And they were simply too much for this nice little all in one. They started to come to life, once i upgraded to xs2. But only the SN2 made them really sing. I know quite well proac D30s too : pairing them with a 5si would be an absolute mullet , and i strongly suspect that a SN2 would have a hard time too driving them properly. Those speakers are really asking for a 300.

Thanks for the replies! I agree, sometimes I feel more power is needed at higher levels although at the moment the 5si seems to be doing okay. Beautiful sound. Sensitivity being high at 91db. Looks like my upgrade path will have to be separates.  Im only just getting started, loving the 5si and cd5si!

I have owned and listened to many Proac models. I have also heard them driven by low wattage SE tube amps that put out less than 20 watts, and they have always sounded excellent.

The D30's are tremendous sounding speakers and deserve the highest quality amp that you can afford, the SN2 would have no problem driving them to very high levels. Of course the 300 would be an improvement, but the SN2 is no slouch, especially when paired with the HiCap DR.

Chag... posted:

You may not know yet that ProAc has just updated the D30 to D30S. It is still available in a dome or ribbon tweeter - Response D30DS and D30RS respectively.

ProAc claims having developed a new 17.5 cm bass driver using a cone made from pulp and Mica, similar to the one used in their D48, to replace the 16.5 cm carbon fiber cone speaker of the original D30 for a flatter response. Note that the cabinet dimensions will stay the same.

Hopefully they have solved the issue of a little too warm of a bass response with the D30R. :]

Chag -

Re. The Proac D30. How many versions of this speaker are currently available? It's all quite confusing.

1) D30 - is this the original model?

2) D30S - is this the one that comes with the carbon fibre cone?

3) D30RS - is this the latest model with the pulp mica cone?

4) D30DS - this is basically the D30RS but with the dome tweeter instead of ribbon tweeter

Lastly, is there a significant difference between the D30S and D30RS, or the D30RS and D30DS ?

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