Used Supernait or new XS2

Mike-B posted:
Max_B posted:

Jesus Christ, were it not for my verbosity I'd say I begin to sound like HH.

Perfectly normal after 64 years.  Onset is normally around 50 years but it frequently goes completely unnoticed except for everyone else around the person.  In UK its called Grumpy Old Man, its not so much an illness,  more an elevated plateau of life.

Mike,

Is the grumpiness induced by a lack of oxygen at the elevated altitude, and there a female equivalent?

Max_B posted:
Perol posted:

Ha-ha Max

I notice you contribute to the thread you obviously find too long

Wonder how long a thread describing all your box shifting would be ?

Not that I'm against box shift, I'm doing this myself

And yes, I really didn't like the original SN but don't let this bother you too much, we certainly have different room, mains, cables, kit, taste and so on, actually I stressed it was imo and what matters in life is not other peoples amp taste

Have a nice day and great picture btw, reminded me I did cheat death twice the past two years, so a happy man��

a) Yes, how could I differently? I counted my reply in, though.

b) It would occupy some 25/30 lines in a single post. As I have written a lot of times (I'm flattered that you know my Naim history so well), I experimented with my money, my time, without ever asking for other people's opinions.

c) Good. It's a nice pastime for us childish, under-developed anal subjects.

d) I have bought the SN three times: do you really think I can be bothered by someone I don't know, who has the nickname of a mouthwash, who's telling me not to worry because in spite of his opinion the SN might be a good product after all?

e) sorry for my very nasty personality. It has kept me alive for 64 years, though, and I am sort of attached to it.  Yes, the picture is nice. I am sincerely happy, instead, to know that you have cheated death twice in the past two years; yet, you may win a few battles but in the end we all lose the war. But you know it.

My best

Max

Well I hope you get over it Max

Regards Mouthwash

Huge posted:
Mike-B posted:
Max_B posted:

Jesus Christ, were it not for my verbosity I'd say I begin to sound like HH.

Perfectly normal after 64 years.  Onset is normally around 50 years but it frequently goes completely unnoticed except for everyone else around the person.  In UK its called Grumpy Old Man, its not so much an illness,  more an elevated plateau of life.

Mike,  Is the grumpiness induced by a lack of oxygen at the elevated altitude, and there a female equivalent?

Although not the underlying cause, it is exacerbated by lack of oxygen;  with some its caused by airway restrictions when hunched up sleeping in a chair,  it can be caused by irregular breathing between quaffs of real ale.  A rarefied form identified with audiophiles in particular is caused by the irregular breathing patterns when huffing & puffing trying to prove they know more & better than all others in futile attempts at winning arguments on forums. 

There is no female equivalent,  its not possible to transgender in humans.    A similar condition presented in females is actually unrelated & is just simple miserable demena.  There is no real cure but it can be relieved by shopping expeditions,  not actually shopping in many cases,  just looking.  There is a danger with over dosing on this treatment as manic depression can result if the patient finds desirable clothes that are not available in her size.

Ok, I've been unpleasant.

Perol, I apologize about mouthwash but it sort of compensates for calling my amp 'near horrible'.

Mike-B, I couldn't understand almost anything in your last post: this shows the difference between being really part of the British side of the community or not.

I really, really must stop giving so much of my time to all this: I am not yet retired, and won't be for a while. Plus, I'll have positive things to do.

My head is aching and making noise. I don't know if I am cheating death, but something is wrong with me these days.

Better giving myself to a different occupation for some time. BTW, if the Nait XS had the size of the SN, I would perhaps choose the XS.

Goodbye

M. 

Max_B posted:

Ok, I've been unpleasant.

Mike-B, I couldn't understand almost anything in your last post: this shows the difference between being really part of the British side of the community or not. 

Forgive me Max,  please please please,  you have not been unpleasant, far from it, your posts are a joy - well most of them anyway.     My post was a UK-centric joke & I should have realised as Italian you would not be tuned in to it.   It helps if you've watched a UK TV series called 'Grumpy Old Men' & then more help can be had if you spend each evening in the pub playing cribbage with like minded other grumpy old men.    

Mike-B posted:
Huge posted:

Mike,  Is the grumpiness induced by a lack of oxygen at the elevated altitude, and there a female equivalent?

Although not the underlying cause, it is exacerbated by lack of oxygen;  with some its caused by airway restrictions when hunched up sleeping in a chair,  it can be caused by irregular breathing between quaffs of real ale.  A rarefied form identified with audiophiles in particular is caused by the irregular breathing patterns when huffing & puffing trying to prove they know more & better than all others in futile attempts at winning arguments on forums. 

There is no female equivalent,  its not possible to transgender in humans.    A similar condition presented in females is actually unrelated & is just simple miserable demena.  There is no real cure but it can be relieved by shopping expeditions,  not actually shopping in many cases,  just looking.  There is a danger with over dosing on this treatment as manic depression can result if the patient finds desirable clothes that are not available in her size.

Thanks Mike.  Love it...   classic response...  Well that's cheered up my demeanour anyway! 

Max_B posted:

Ok, I've been unpleasant.

Perol, I apologize about mouthwash but it sort of compensates for calling my amp 'near horrible'.

Mike-B, I couldn't understand almost anything in your last post: this shows the difference between being really part of the British side of the community or not.

I really, really must stop giving so much of my time to all this: I am not yet retired, and won't be for a while. Plus, I'll have positive things to do.

My head is aching and making noise. I don't know if I am cheating death, but something is wrong with me these days.

Better giving myself to a different occupation for some time. BTW, if the Nait XS had the size of the SN, I would perhaps choose the XS.

Goodbye

M. 

Apology accepted, thanks

(But I still don't like that amp )

Mouthwash is a great nickname, thanks for creating it dedicated to me, I think I will use it in future

Perhaps I should look into reserving the mouthwash.com if not allready taken

Regards

Mouthwash

 

 

 

Whether you like the SN1 or not all depends on the source, speakers, cables, environment, expectations, setup, power supply used (HC transforms the SN1), the room.

I really like the SN1 with a Hicap, but quite good without a Hicap, and with a good source !

But hey ho life goes on.

Moderated Post:  Analog, I've edited for you so it reads better (and avoids crossing forum AUP)...

Max has somewhere indicated the SN1 being 'Teutonic'. I like that definition, it is very much like that.

Furthermore, the corpse on photo above does not like an amplifier, but could be someone hit by an amplifier. I used to throw amplifiers out of my window when some salesperson rings my bell, but I've run out of cheap chinese plastic amps. It now starts to be dangerous here.

Tonight I replaced the XS2 and put the SN2 back in the system

I won't do any serious listening until tomorrow evening once it's had time to settle in a bit

I have a suspicion that the SN2/CD5XS/Hugo might jell quite nicely as the Hugo has lifted the performance of the CD5XS to another level

seakayaker posted:

.....so how did the XS 2 with the CD5 XS work out?   ......any comments on performance.

Hi seakayaker

I first tried the XS2 with my current cd transport and valve dac and was very impressed with the performance.  Musical, easy to listen to with plenty of detail.  I then put the CD5XS in place of the transport and dac and initially was not very impressed as it lacked detail, especially of smaller/quieter pieces of the music.  I hope that makes some sense !  It did however sound very musical

Once I received my Hugo I put that on the output of the CD5XS and the sound is simply amazing.  However, I think, with all the extra detail and naturalness the Hugo brings that the SN2 will reveal even more of that upgrade

I am pretty sure the Hugo has raised the performance far enough for the SN2 to be a better match

We will see in the next few days 

analogmusic posted:

Simon in Suffolk uses hugo 1 with 252/250.2.

It’s a very good source but chord has raised the bar with Hugo 2

 

Indeed analogmusic

I won't go for the Hugo 2 just yet as I am so enjoying the Hugo 1

I have been listening for a couple of days to SN2/CD5XS/Hugo and am really enjoying the combination

I still cannot decide between the XS2 and the SN2 as I like the sound produced by both  

The best word I can come up with to describe the SN2 sound compared to the XS2 is that the SN2 sounds "grown-up"  

Does that make any sense at all to anyone ?

Me being me, if I had this much time with access to both, I would not be able to resist trying the XS as a pre into the SN2, and vice versa, if only to be able to answer the what if on the Forum.

(Sorry if this has already been suggested on this very-long thread.)

Nick

Nina posted:

I still cannot decide between the XS2 and the SN2 as I like the sound produced by both  

That being the case, perhaps consider other factors to help you decide? The used SN2 has already taken the price depreciation hit for you, so would recover more of your original investment if you get the urge to move along again in a year or two... My own experience is that if you’re happy with two things, spending time and energy to compare and contrast is its own fun thing to do, but has no real impact on how you will listen and enjoy once the un-chosen item goes on its merry way. I’m midway through upgrades myself, and I didn’t bother at all to have both old and new Uniti platform boxes in the house at the same time... so my advice also comes with a personal perspective on making choices! You’ve certainly put these amps through their paces, due diligence is done, and now you’ve got another comparison going with the DAC to keep that part of your mind engaged... Send the XS2 back, enjoy your new SN2: its more adult sound will continue to please you as you keep moving forward. Best wishes. 

Regards alan

Nina posted:
analogmusic posted:

Simon in Suffolk uses hugo 1 with 252/250.2.

It’s a very good source but chord has raised the bar with Hugo 2

 

Indeed analogmusic

I won't go for the Hugo 2 just yet as I am so enjoying the Hugo 1

I have been listening for a couple of days to SN2/CD5XS/Hugo and am really enjoying the combination

I still cannot decide between the XS2 and the SN2 as I like the sound produced by both  

The best word I can come up with to describe the SN2 sound compared to the XS2 is that the SN2 sounds "grown-up"  

Does that make any sense at all to anyone ?

well the SN2 got a DR regulator on the preamp, but XS2 doesn't.

The DR regulator allows for a noise floor 30 times quieter than the older LM317 regulator used on the XS2. The older regulator does sound really very good, which is why you like it.

I'd go for the SN2 if it were me, because of the DR regulator on the preamp

It is also makes more sense long-term as it got plenty of power for more difficult speakers.

It doesn't matter that much as you found, as source upgrades are the ones that make more tangible differences to my ears.

Another thought is to upgrade to Hugo 2 and keep the XS2.  

Which cable are you using between Hugo and XS2? The Naim Standard RCA to DIN or Hi-Line are very good cables.

NickSeattle posted:

Me being me, if I had this much time with access to both, I would not be able to resist trying the XS as a pre into the SN2, and vice versa, if only to be able to answer the what if on the Forum.

(Sorry if this has already been suggested on this very-long thread.)

Nick

Nick, This is audio-cruelty of the highest order. I was looking for a page 11 finish  ;-))

Best, Chris

TOBYJUG posted:

Why don't you just get both ?

plug in and play the XS when your feeling frisky on the weekends.

plug in and play the SN2 when your feeling " grown up " during the working week and holidays..

simple

Now that's a thought TobyJ    

Christopher_M posted:
NickSeattle posted:

Me being me, if I had this much time with access to both, I would not be able to resist trying the XS as a pre into the SN2, and vice versa, if only to be able to answer the what if on the Forum.

(Sorry if this has already been suggested on this very-long thread.)

Nick

Nick, This is audio-cruelty of the highest order. I was looking for a page 11 finish  ;-))

Best, Chris

I'll help.

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