Used Supernait or new XS2

Nina posted:

After leaving everything to warm through I am not impressed at all with the CD5 XS

My present transport and dac blows it away

I will try with my normal interconnects this evening and see how I get on

I do like the operation with the swing draw though

I'm not surpriced the valve based source is very different

Before you finally ditch the CD5xs do connect the Naim i/c and if possible get a flatcap on loan, its a great upgrade and I'm not sure I would replace such combo with a CDX2

Maybe give it a few days to come on song

Maybe another few days to get used to the presentation

Finally if its beginning to perform more to your likings, there's plenty of interconnect upgrades available if you dare.

I believe the CD5 XS is a superb player, especially for what I paid for it, but it doesn't quite match up to my current transport and dac

However, to get away from anything 'valve', I am thinking about trying a Chord Dac in my system and using the CD5 XS as a transport

Am I correct in saying the transport in the 5 is much the same as that used in the CDX2?

I absolutely love the loading system in the Naim cd's

Nina posted:

I believe the CD5 XS is a superb player, especially for what I paid for it, but it doesn't quite match up to my current transport and dac

If your findings are as a result of having used CD5 XS with SN2 then please try with a warmed up NAIT XS2. Could be in for a surprise.

Nina posted:

I am thinking of trying a Naim amp again and I can buy a good used and serviced Supernait at a reasonable price or I could buy a new or lightly used XS2

I only use cd so the inbuilt Dac in the Supernait might come in handy

Do the two amps sound much the same?

Thanks for any help

 

 

Both very good amps.. I really could not tell any real difference between the two bar a little more power with the S/N.. The S/N has an on board DAC  to connect computer for digi files.. Speakers I have are Spendor S6E. They are the most musical and neutral speaker I have owned and easily show differences in EQ.. 

leni v posted:

max. what did you gain in sq wiith the ps for the cdxe,thanks/

Hi,

I'm not sure I can talk about this here, because my extra PSU for the CDX2 is not a Naim one. It was about time I did  outing, so thanks anyway for your question. If we could meet on a bench in some park, away from indiscreet ears...

Max

I am so enjoying the XS2

I can't decide when to put the SN2 back in the system

I really need to decide which amp to keep,  The XS2 is really very good, especially for the outlay

Did anyone demo the same two amps and decide to keep the XS2 over the SN2 ?

Nina posted:

I am so enjoying the XS2

I can't decide when to put the SN2 back in the system

I really need to decide which amp to keep,  The XS2 is really very good, especially for the outlay

Did anyone demo the same two amps and decide to keep the XS2 over the SN2 ?

I can't offer any advice but there have been other threads where there have been a few members who have decided to stay with the XS 2 over the SN2 and many others who have chosen the SN2.

Being a XS 2 owner I really enjoy the integrated amp quite a bit.  With that said it would appear to be a natural upgrade path to the SN2. In speaking with my dealer he also mentioned that the 202/200DR would be an upgrade path if wanting to go the multiple box route. Then others 272/200DR or 272/250DR or ......

It appears the journey can be endless.  After following the thread since page one I am looking forward to your decision and what your final system configuration will be. 

Good luck with your decision!

Nina posted:

Did anyone demo.....

And you're worried about 'Hants'. Jeez!

From the products page (front page on Naim site) if you look at 'suggested systems' for the respective amplifiers you are considering, my understanding is that Naim always intended the CD5 XS would be paired with the XS2 not the SN2.

Ooops sorry Christopher.....  'Hants' is just wrong though 

You are right about the CD5 XS suiting the XS2 more

I also now have no thoughts of swapping back to my TQ Ultra Black speaker cable, with either Nait, as the NACA5 seems to just sound 'right' somehow

The more I get 'into' the 'Naim thing' the more I realise that Naim have got it so right.... and this is from someone that took 20 years to understand the Naim way of doing things 

The more I listen the more impressed I am with everything Naim

I am a true convert now  

Thanks. It's not me that's right, it's Naim.

It's late so to be frank, imo Naim did not give a..... for dacs until the streaming thing took off. Until then dacs were built into the CD players and none questioned how good they were. If you wanted to improve your CD player, the way you did it was to add a power supply.

Maybe this is too black and white for you but for people like you and me who have no interest in streaming, the amplifier choice is a simple one.. How deep are your pockets? Deep enough for a CD5 XS and XS2, or for any variant of CDX2 and SN2? All imo of course.

'Night.

Nina posted:

I am so enjoying the XS2

I can't decide when to put the SN2 back in the system

I really need to decide which amp to keep,  The XS2 is really very good, especially for the outlay

Did anyone demo the same two amps and decide to keep the XS2 over the SN2 ?

In a round about, topsy turvy kind of way yes.

What I really liked about the XS2 when I had it, was when playing music that was particularly staccato. Especially in the mid Bass. I enjoyed the way it sounded like it could lose energy as quickly as it could create it, although viewed through a smaller window.

The SN2 of course opened the window somewhat, but I felt that the way it dealt with staccato wasn't in proportion to its other increase of abilities. Adding a Hicap dr would have nailed that I'm sure but I wasn't prepared to go that route.

Upgrading from an XS2 I didn't go the SN2 or Naim pre/power direction but to other pastures.

When I decided to upgrade the XS 2, I didn't think that upgrading to the SN2 was sufficient of a change to warrant the outlay, a 202/200 was marinal, so I decided on a 272 / 250DR.

But plans change...

A 300DR came available s/h, so the decision was made.  I now have a 272 (new) + 555DR (s/h) & 300DR (s/h).  Definitely worth the upgrade (but then so it should be for the increased outlay).

Nina posted:

I am so enjoying the XS2

I can't decide when to put the SN2 back in the system

I really need to decide which amp to keep,  The XS2 is really very good, especially for the outlay

Did anyone demo the same two amps and decide to keep the XS2 over the SN2 ?

I had the SN2 a couple of months

Found it too forcing in presenting the music, a bit like the old SN which I thought was near horrible

SN2 had some other good sides but ultimately I didn't enjoy music as much as with XS or some older pre/power combos

I've had several XS/XS2 and they were overall more musically or whatever its called at my place in my setup mind you.

What you really need is to get that Flatcap which will bring the setup to quite another level and wanting you to get rid of all other brands kit (I guess)

All your Naim gear owned or borrowed will benefit from a good rack such as Quadraspire, Isoblue, Hutter or others, doesn't need to be mega expensive

ryder. posted:

At first it's loving the XS2. Then it's loving the SN2 more than the XS2. Now it's back to loving the XS2 more than the SN2.

I guess both amps get equal loving but the XS2 may be the flavour of the month at the moment?

On a serious note I believe its based on the different sources used, I fully understand her confusing

I don't know how the CD5XS and ND5XS DACs compare, but when adding the old Hugo (in a dealer's demo room) to the ND5XS it refined the streamer's presentation considerably. I won't go into details as the Hugo has been discussed here in extenso.

But I wanted to say that I felt, based on a relatively short demo admittedly, that the Hugo gave greater improvement than upgrading amplification from XS2 to SN2 (in a back-to-back comparison). That is when I better understood that "source first" dogma -- obviously two upgrades (DAC and amplification) is even lusher... 

My goodness with all this help it's a wonder you can make any decisions. What you like is what you like. It matters not that I'm satisfied with my SN if you prefer the XS2. Do what you like and wonder at the length of this thread. Enjoy whatever you pick and use it in happiness that you are bless with a wonderful system no matter what.

Perol posted:
a bit like the old SN which I thought was near horrible

 

It's the first time I read the SN being called nearly horrible. I'm happy that Naim has a dark side: I have had 3 SNs and 3 XSs, and presently I'm sticking with the nearly horrible. What really looks amazing to me, bordering on astonishing, is – apart the use of words – the amount of time some dedicate to such a question as the OP has posed. We've reached 9 pages and 352 replies (mine included); to help people regain awareness of what counts in life and what doesn't, I add a personal reflection in the form of a picture:

Have a good day (if you still have one).

M

Max_B posted:
Perol posted:
a bit like the old SN which I thought was near horrible

 

It's the first time I read the SN being called nearly horrible. I'm happy that Naim has a dark side: I have had 3 SNs and 3 XSs, and presently I'm sticking with the nearly horrible. What really looks amazing to me, bordering on astonishing, is – apart the use of words – the amount of time some dedicate to such a question as the OP has posed. We've reached 9 pages and 352 replies (mine included); to help people regain awareness of what counts in life and what doesn't, I add a personal reflection in the form of a picture:

Have a good day (if you still have one).

M

Ha-ha Max

I notice you contribute to the thread you obviously find too long

Wonder how long a thread describing all your box shifting would be ?

Not that I'm against box shift, I'm doing this myself

And yes, I really didn't like the original SN but don't let this bother you too much, we certainly have different room, mains, cables, kit, taste and so on, actually I stressed it was imo and what matters in life is not other peoples amp taste

Have a nice day and great picture btw, reminded me I did cheat death twice the past two years, so a happy man��

Sorry if this thread has got too long for some but I guess it's not all my own doing

The original thread was to gain some thoughts about which of the two amps most people would go for but has since changed a bit as I got both the XS2 and SN2 (not the original SN) delivered for comparison

 

 

 

Perol posted:

Ha-ha Max

I notice you contribute to the thread you obviously find too long

Wonder how long a thread describing all your box shifting would be ?

Not that I'm against box shift, I'm doing this myself

And yes, I really didn't like the original SN but don't let this bother you too much, we certainly have different room, mains, cables, kit, taste and so on, actually I stressed it was imo and what matters in life is not other peoples amp taste

Have a nice day and great picture btw, reminded me I did cheat death twice the past two years, so a happy man��

a) Yes, how could I differently? I counted my reply in, though.

b) It would occupy some 25/30 lines in a single post. As I have written a lot of times (I'm flattered that you know my Naim history so well), I experimented with my money, my time, without ever asking for other people's opinions.

c) Good. It's a nice pastime for us childish, under-developed anal subjects.

d) I have bought the SN three times: do you really think I can be bothered by someone I don't know, who has the nickname of a mouthwash, who's telling me not to worry because in spite of his opinion the SN might be a good product after all?

e) sorry for my very nasty personality. It has kept me alive for 64 years, though, and I am sort of attached to it.  Yes, the picture is nice. I am sincerely happy, instead, to know that you have cheated death twice in the past two years; yet, you may win a few battles but in the end we all lose the war. But you know it.

My best

Max

Max_B posted:

Jesus Christ, were it not for my verbosity I'd say I begin to sound like HH.

Perfectly normal after 64 years.  Onset is normally around 50 years but it frequently goes completely unnoticed except for everyone else around the person.  In UK its called Grumpy Old Man, its not so much an illness,  more an elevated plateau of life.

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