Vinyl - back to the future?

Again, thanks for all of the help everyone - much appreciated. A few more ideas starting to develop, so very grateful for the input. 

Kevin - so you are potentially on the same path of vinyl rediscovery as well! Please share your Cymbiois dem experience once you have sampled the decks in question as I’d be really interested to read how you get on. This is more or less the same approach I’m thinking of taking with an LP12 vs competitors, unless I first buy a cheap and cheerful Planar 2 or 3 just to make sure my vinyl is still playable? The Planar then perhaps moth balled for TheBoyYeti to tinker with if so inclined. I’ve been in touch with Peter (very helpful) and hope to arrange something when the school holidays kick in next. I must say the idea of a bespoke deck is quite interesting, especially with the number of plinth design / finishes shown on one of the Cymbiosis website snaps.

Richard - I wasn’t aware there were black label Dynaflex Bowie albums? Interesting, I'll look them up on Discogs. I only have the UK & US orange labels, plus the green label issues from the 80’s which were my ‘in’ to “Dave”. I’ll monitor the used market to see if any come up. 

Alleycat - very interesting. Truly fortunate that you moth balled your LP12, especially with the current eye watering LP12 prices. I now wish I’d held on to mine! 

Peder - thanks for the detailed LP12 set up info, much appreciated. I look forward to your write up as to how you maximise your deck performance. Was this dealer input or your own procedure I wonder? I already have a wall shelf in place that will be stripped of its current items and solely dedicated to the TT and phono, plus each component individually isolated.

Adam - A Rega RP10 and LP12 owner - superb! That’s just the insight I was hoping for. Many thanks. It was a long time ago, but do I remember just how well the old LP12 sounded compared to the R3 it replaced, but I’m very curious as to how the competition has caught up. With some of the new manufacturers I’m wondering if it could be a case of different as opposed to better?

Drikus - I was aware (sort of) of Graham Slee, but have no experience of the individual products and how they compare, so thanks for the tip on the phono stages. The only phono stages I had on my radar were the Linn Linto, Rega’s own and the Stageline.

AnthonyD - Did you buy a Cymbiosis custom LP12 to begin with or something like the current spec Majik?

Ravaneswood10 - the only thing that concerns me is the set up of the LP12 - where did you learn how to set up your LP12? When I had my Sondek I lived in London, so a breeze to get problems addressed. I have two respected Linn dealers about an hour away and one Linn chain dealer nearby who's branch does not stock the LP12, so would have to send away for servicing. Although Peter at Cymbiosis strongly recommended avoiding maintenance where couriers are involved.

Lots to think about!

I sold my vinyl recently to a guy who lives near me who does the hifi shows, buying and selling. He cleaned one of mine in front of me, amazing.....so don,t be too quick to write off your collection without trying to clean a couple. Your dealer might be able to help before either buying a cleaner or giving up on vinyl.

If the OP follows the journey as far as considering a four-figure turntable purchase, I’ve found that vintage idlers can offer a real alternative to modern decks. I’ve been using a Garrard 301/Rega RB202/Denon DL110 for the last year in preference to my Michell Orbe/SME Series V/Lyra Delos. If one of them had to go, it’s unlikely to be the Garrard.

Moderated Post: MB, I've made a tiny little edit just to ensure your post remains on the right side of forum rules..

Apologies for cutting and pasting from a different thread, but relevant here perhaps...

I’ve listened this week to a P6 with Ania cartridge and Aria Phone stage vs RP10 with both Ania/Aria and Dynavector XX2/Dynavector P4 Phono. I have to say that to my tastes, the P6 is hard to beat. It clearly leaves some information in the grooves that the RP10 captures, but what information the P6 does extract is presented in such a delicious manner that it makes every record a real pleasure. Just a lovely sound. I’m torn with the RP10 though. It’s clearly more detailed and getting more from the record, but it’s not a very ‘analog’ sound to my ears. It sounds to me like it’s voiced to challenge digital sources, which is not really what I’m after.

I guess an RP8 audition would seem sensible, but in the meantime I’m all ears for thoughts on whether folks with experience think RP8 is nearer to a P6 presentation or the RP10’s.

Kevin

Richard Dane posted:

Peder, by all means start a new thread on LP12 optimisation if you so wish, however, I think we should stick to the topic of Yetizone's thread here. 

Richard,...that's was also my meaning 👍🏻. Because it's much information,and I think many have questions about what I shall post.

It's a little of a scandal, if I shall use the right word...or a BIG.❗ 

Well,I'm coming back later,busy now.

/Peder🙂 

 

@kevin J Carden

For whatever it’s worht - I moved from an RP6 / Exact II straight to RP10 with a pre-installed Apheta. Phono-stage at that time was Aria. I found RP10 to be a bit too mechanical, which surprised me a lot. Fortunately, following a left-channel failure, Apheta was exchanged for an Aphelion. An altogether different beast. Now the music was flowing the way only a good turntable can muster.

So I’m not altogether surprised by your audition results. 

An idle speculation: perhaps RP10 is more sensitive to a cartridge than most?

 

My thoughts on Vinyl Back to the Future?

After much deliberation 12 months ago I purchased a Project Debut Carbon & Phono Amp to connect with my Unitilite.

At the time I owned a few LP's from the 80's. The TT was recommended by my local dealer both his thoughts and mine were that I would need as much cash as possible to buy vinyl.

I now have close to a hundred LP's a mixture of old and new, I have swapped to a 272 with 200 and recently added a Core.

I love the convenience of streaming whether it be ripped or Tidal.

However, on my simple system with a vinyl set up that cost me very little the vinyl is the better sounding and not just to my ears a number of my mates all agree.

To hell with the snap, crackle and pop thats all part of it. It never bothered me 35 years ago when I didn't know any different so I'm not going to let it bother me now.

I'm currently listening to Simon & Garfunkel's Concert in Central Park that I bought yesterday for a few quid at a local charity shop, if I close my eyes I feel like I'm in the middle of the crowd. Brilliant!!

 

Looks ilke You need to employ someone or learn a new trade for playing Couple of Records with a LP12 and finance endless upgrades

brinkmann, Dr fieckert, kronos, transrotor, clear audio an many more Alternatives with good sound Quality and less hassle 

Yetizone posted:

Again, thanks for all of the help everyone - much appreciated. A few more ideas starting to develop, so very grateful for the input. 

Kevin - so you are potentially on the same path of vinyl rediscovery as well! Please share your Cymbiois dem experience once you have sampled the decks in question as I’d be really interested to read how you get on. This is more or less the same approach I’m thinking of taking with an LP12 vs competitors, unless I first buy a cheap and cheerful Planar 2 or 3 just to make sure my vinyl is still playable? The Planar then perhaps moth balled for TheBoyYeti to tinker with if so inclined. I’ve been in touch with Peter (very helpful) and hope to arrange something when the school holidays kick in next. I must say the idea of a bespoke deck is quite interesting, especially with the number of plinth design / finishes shown on one of the Cymbiosis website snaps.

Richard - I wasn’t aware there were black label Dynaflex Bowie albums? Interesting, I'll look them up on Discogs. I only have the UK & US orange labels, plus the green label issues from the 80’s which were my ‘in’ to “Dave”. I’ll monitor the used market to see if any come up. 

Alleycat - very interesting. Truly fortunate that you moth balled your LP12, especially with the current eye watering LP12 prices. I now wish I’d held on to mine! 

Peder - thanks for the detailed LP12 set up info, much appreciated. I look forward to your write up as to how you maximise your deck performance. Was this dealer input or your own procedure I wonder? I already have a wall shelf in place that will be stripped of its current items and solely dedicated to the TT and phono, plus each component individually isolated.

Adam - A Rega RP10 and LP12 owner - superb! That’s just the insight I was hoping for. Many thanks. It was a long time ago, but do I remember just how well the old LP12 sounded compared to the R3 it replaced, but I’m very curious as to how the competition has caught up. With some of the new manufacturers I’m wondering if it could be a case of different as opposed to better?

Drikus - I was aware (sort of) of Graham Slee, but have no experience of the individual products and how they compare, so thanks for the tip on the phono stages. The only phono stages I had on my radar were the Linn Linto, Rega’s own and the Stageline.

AnthonyD - Did you buy a Cymbiosis custom LP12 to begin with or something like the current spec Majik?

Ravaneswood10 - the only thing that concerns me is the set up of the LP12 - where did you learn how to set up your LP12? When I had my Sondek I lived in London, so a breeze to get problems addressed. I have two respected Linn dealers about an hour away and one Linn chain dealer nearby who's branch does not stock the LP12, so would have to send away for servicing. Although Peter at Cymbiosis strongly recommended avoiding maintenance where couriers are involved.

Lots to think about!

My dealer was my tutor - been buying equipment from him for years. Some will disagree but when you have time, tools and the knowledge it’s not that hard although I do accept that it’s not for everyone. And if you are worried by all the fettling and micro adjustments the perhaps deck like the Rega is for you. If I was staring over again, I might also look at the German decks including Clearaudio with that rather nice parallel tracking arm.

I’ve also seen and heard of some less than wonderful LP 12 servicing attempts by dealers in the past so they’re not all in the league of Cymbiosis.

Yetizone posted:

Peder - thanks for the detailed LP12 set up info, much appreciated. I look forward to your write up as to how you maximise your deck performance. Was this dealer input or your own procedure I wonder? I already have a wall shelf in place that will be stripped of its current items and solely dedicated to the TT and phono, plus each component individually isolated.

 

 

 

Yetizone,...your wellcome 😃.

No,not dealer input,it's my own procedure that we have tested many times, in our group the last 20 years. But,as you know....we are not strong alone,so we change knowledge alot in our group...and with this guy..🔽🔽🔽🔽.

Here in Sweden, the best LP12 technition-guy......he's on the same level as Peter Swain, Cymbiosis......agree with this. This guy made he's own Keel one year before Linn release the real one......he's very,very good and I have learnt much from him.I know him personelly from 1989. He owns the biggest/best Linn store in Sweden....and even at this days,looking for details (as also me) to optimise things in and around the LP12.

He's well known at Linn HQ.

The LP12 is like an instrument,in both good and bad ways.If you do things in wrong ways when compare.....than you have wrong results.

Nice too hear that you already have a wallshelf.Is it a Wulkan or something else?

/Peder🙂 

Any TT is suspect able to set-up. Even a plug n play like a Rega is compromised by bad alignment.  The one thing I would say to the OP is that if you genuinely want a Linn - fine - but I reiterate there are many vinyl lovers who once they hear the alternatives take a different course.  

Regards,

Lindsay

Peder posted:
Yetizone posted:

 

Here in Sweden, the best LP12 technition-guy......he's on the same level as Peter Swain, Cymbiosis......agree with this. This guy made he's own Keel one year before Linn release the real one......he's very,very good and I have learnt much from him.I know him personelly from 1989. He owns the biggest/best Linn store in Sweden....and even at this days,looking for details (as also me) to optimise things in and around the LP12.

He's well known at Linn HQ.

That must be Linnaeus!

Peder posted:

Ardbeg10y,....Linnaeus. Now I don't understand,did I remember right....that you have lived in Stockholm.?

If so,you must know the Linn store there,it's that store in Stockholm I talk about.....back to you 😁.

It is a complicated joke having multiple dimensions indeed. Google the guy / he was very important and his work is still of great value to mankind. What you cannot know is that he studied very nearby where I live.

Never visited a hifistore in Stockholm, only many, many pubs and restaurants.

 

Ardbeg10y posted

It is a complicated joke having multiple dimensions indeed. Google the guy / he was very important and his work is still of great value to mankind. What you cannot know is that he studied very nearby where I live.

Ok,now I understand a little more,thanks.

Never visited a hifistore in Stockholm, only many, many pubs and restaurants.

That can be better in many ways 👍🏻😄,nice to hear.

Peder posted:

Adam,super 👍🏻.I shall later today put in a longer post here, that I think can help many here.

Depending on your answer now, you must check up your LP12...I shall explain better i a couple of hours.I have some meetings now with some friends.

/Peder🙂 

the great audio specialist is back.  After cisco 2960 optimization, now the lp12.  We have so much to learn from you....

French Rooster posted:
Peder posted:

Adam,super 👍🏻.I shall later today put in a longer post here, that I think can help many here.

Depending on your answer now, you must check up your LP12...I shall explain better i a couple of hours.I have some meetings now with some friends.

/Peder🙂 

the great audio specialist is back.  After cisco 2960 optimization, now the lp12.  We have so much to learn from you....

Rooster, I consider your cynicism against someone not being able to apply sufficient nuance to a post pretty uncivilized.

FR, I think we can all allow Peder to disseminate what he knows and learned. That is, after all, what informs my own posts, I.e. what I have learned over the years with regard to Naim and hifi in general. And I’m sure it’s the same for you too. 

Any possible perceived arrogance here is likely down to English being a second language combined with the internet’s usual inability to provide subtle nuance to what is typed on screen.

Bottom line, I think you can give Peder the benefit of the doubt for the moment...

French Rooster posted:
Peder posted:

Adam,super 👍🏻.I shall later today put in a longer post here, that I think can help many here.

Depending on your answer now, you must check up your LP12...I shall explain better i a couple of hours.I have some meetings now with some friends.

/Peder🙂 

the great audio specialist is back.  After cisco 2960 optimization, now the lp12.  We have so much to learn from you....

Besides putting up all these meaningless symbols into every post he makes you mean? 

Drikus posted:
French Rooster posted:
Peder posted:

Adam,super 👍🏻.I shall later today put in a longer post here, that I think can help many here.

Depending on your answer now, you must check up your LP12...I shall explain better i a couple of hours.I have some meetings now with some friends.

/Peder🙂 

the great audio specialist is back.  After cisco 2960 optimization, now the lp12.  We have so much to learn from you....

Besides putting up all these meaningless symbols into every post he makes you mean? 

we will say that...

Ardbeg10y posted:
French Rooster posted:
Peder posted:

Adam,super 👍🏻.I shall later today put in a longer post here, that I think can help many here.

Depending on your answer now, you must check up your LP12...I shall explain better i a couple of hours.I have some meetings now with some friends.

/Peder🙂 

the great audio specialist is back.  After cisco 2960 optimization, now the lp12.  We have so much to learn from you....

Rooster, I consider your cynicism against someone not being able to apply sufficient nuance to a post pretty uncivilized.

yes, i know, i am not a gentleman.

each time there is thread on turntables,  there is the same controversy on lp12 vs the competition.   It is a bit tiring.   The lp12 are very musical decks, with prat and involvement, natural sound....no problem with that.  But there are alternatives and other decks on the market, some are better, some not.    Why some are always thinking that the lp12 is the only turntable to buy?  it is ridiculous.

French Rooster posted:

each time there is thread on turntables,  there is the same controversy on lp12 vs the competition.   It is a bit tiring.   The lp12 are very musical decks, with prat and involvement, natural sound....no problem with that.  But there are alternatives and other decks on the market, some are better, some not.    Why some are always thinking that the lp12 is the only turntable to buy?  it is ridiculous.

It's a Naim forum. Linn and Naim have always been good a good combination so the LP12 is a natural starting point.

As you say, there's lots of competition out there so as usual, if you're looking to spend some serious cash, then you need to do some listening and make up your own mind.

besides the synergy between Naim and Linn and sound quality, the looks of Turntables having a decent wooden plinth is fantastic. For me, an old Linn, Garrard, Thorens etc would be much prefered above most new decks just because of their looks.

Imagine a Linn or Thorens here instead of the Project Debut - it will be an eye catching object:

for prat and synergy with naim, other than lp12:   dps, vertere, spiral groove, rega...

For beautiful look, my choices of course :  avid acutus, bergman, basis , kronos, sme, audio note tt3, continuum caliburn.

on the full lp12 price, for look and sound :  avid acutus, spiral groove sg1.

My story. A former Vinyl fan I owned a tricked out LP 12 on Mana Phase 5 (rubbish) , with ARO, Armageddon,  Troika etc, etc.  The thing sounded good but was a nightmare to set up properly. Swapped it all for a Well Tempered Reference with Dynavector Te Kaitora and BAT VK-10 phonestage....sounded better and far easier to set up. Then I moved countries and found I lacked the space for all the vinyl plus CDs so got rid of the TT, Phonestage and put my records into storage.  15 years later I've moved to a full digital system with local and internet streaming, and although I didn't need it, an excellent phonostage. The downsizing opened up the top shelf of my rack. I spent a long time waiting for my new system to arrive, which is always dangerous...and got to thinking about an analog set-up. Did my homework and eventually settled on a Michell Orbe SE, SME Series IV and an Ortofon Cadenza Black with Cardas phono leads.

The combination of Michell Orbe and SME is a pleasure to set up. Everything is a precisely calibrated adjustment, unlike the Linn, so suits my uber-Anal approach to hi-fi.  Having set up everything exactly and precisely, I pulled all my old Decca and EMI classical records and bought a load of my old favourite rock albums, now remastered and pressed on 180gram vinyl.

My new system arrived so I excitedly took a listen. Fantastic! Great imaging, focus, tonal integrity. As good as I ever remember vinyl. The TT, arm and cartridge synergized really well and I was delighted, although a bit let down by a few of the 180g remasters which were OK but nothing like as special as some of those old Decca and EMI recordings.

Then my new digital server arrived. Put it on its rack shelf, plugged in the PC and interconnect and we're ready to go. Left it about 30 hours before taking a listen.  Holy cow but this thing is good. Better than analog in every respect...more resolving, bigger more focused sound stage, greater musical impetus and drive, far better micro and macro dynamics, greater listener involvement, more natural sounding and above all, a lot quieter, with far blacker backgrounds, so far more revealing of low level detail. To say it killed my appetite for vinyl would be an understatement.  So last week I pulled the whole analog rig, repacked it and took it to the dealer's.

Moral of the story....save the money you'd spend on an analog system and invest it in a SOTA digital source. You won't believe how much information is on a red book CD that CDPs have simply never revealed.  The lastest digital HW and files make analog sound old; noisy stylus to vinyl interface, contamination noise, lack of dynamics and low level detail lost in the less than silent background. The ritual of taking a record out of its sleeve, clamping it to the platter, lowering the delicate stylus into the lead in groove is very memory evoking and quaintly satisfying but palls pretty quickly in the face of superior sound quality, random access to any album you care to name, dark, pristine backgrounds, huge soundstage, total listener involvement and not a single pop or crackle to ruin the illusion.  If complete immersion in music is your goal, analog replay very clearly belongs in the past and digital finally has come of age.  And this from a former 'dyed in the wool vinyl fanatic'

 

 

TK421 posted:

My thoughts on Vinyl Back to the Future?

After much deliberation 12 months ago I purchased a Project Debut Carbon & Phono Amp to connect with my Unitilite.

At the time I owned a few LP's from the 80's. The TT was recommended by my local dealer both his thoughts and mine were that I would need as much cash as possible to buy vinyl.

I now have close to a hundred LP's a mixture of old and new, I have swapped to a 272 with 200 and recently added a Core.

I love the convenience of streaming whether it be ripped or Tidal.

However, on my simple system with a vinyl set up that cost me very little the vinyl is the better sounding and not just to my ears a number of my mates all agree.

To hell with the snap, crackle and pop thats all part of it. It never bothered me 35 years ago when I didn't know any different so I'm not going to let it bother me now.

I'm currently listening to Simon & Garfunkel's Concert in Central Park that I bought yesterday for a few quid at a local charity shop, if I close my eyes I feel like I'm in the middle of the crowd. Brilliant!!

 

I have a similar story, at least as far as 'after much deliberation' is concerned. I had about 400 LPs gathering dust, most of which from my youth (60s/70s), so not exactly mint.

I bought a Pro-Ject RPM Carbon 3, I already had a Grado prestige Blue, I added a 2nd hand, mint Stageline N and a PS for it and now I am enjoying my old vinyl like never before.  And, as you say, to hell with snap, crackle and pop, that is part of it.

Best

M. 

Ardbeg10y posted:

besides the synergy between Naim and Linn and sound quality, the looks of Turntables having a decent wooden plinth is fantastic. For me, an old Linn, Garrard, Thorens etc would be much prefered above most new decks just because of their looks.

Imagine a Linn or Thorens here instead of the Project Debut - it will be an eye catching object:

Or even better, an LP12 with a Chris Harban Woodsong plinth!

Blackmorec… Thanks so much for sharing your equipment buying history - a very detailed and thoughtful account based on experience - appreciated. Would you be so kind as to please expand on the rest of the system, particularly the streaming source as system context is helpful.

Max_B and TK421…. Great to read that you are now enjoying vinyl again. Could your experience be a telling signpost I wonder. I’ll take a look at Project’s Debut, but I think my heart belongs to Linn & Rega!

 

I have to admit that the thought of the new NDX2 is tantalising, especially as it seems the value of my vinyl collection could help finance that direction. But… After taking in the observations from everyone (thanks all), I think I’m just going to have to scratch the itch. Just to prove to myself (either way) whether a vinyl source can be a viable playback medium in this day and age. Initially, I’m probably leaning towards a modest Rega deck and then use it alongside my UQ2 / MacMini streaming source back to back to see how I get on. Perhaps then jump on the LP12 / RP10/ SME / AVID upgrade hamster wheel if vinyl is dominating play.

Only then I will know how much I’m enjoying the vinyl playback ritual - lowering the stylus and flipping over the disc at the end of each side. Time will tell if this becomes a tiresome chore interrupting music flow, or an anticipatory pleasure for the music to continue. Not to mention how the odd crackly disc actually sounds, and if it becomes annoying.

One issue that could scupper the process long term is the quality of new vinyl. If I buy new LPs and end up having to return warped or noisy discs, then this would be testing - as in the early 1990’s where this scenario eventually fuelled my switch to shiny discs, despite their nails down a blackboard SQ shortcomings at the time. 

Anyway, in the long term I hope both streaming and vinyl sources can successfully coexist for me, but only time will tell. 

After enjoying pawing over my old LPs this last couple of weeks and despite the pleasure of using an iPad and App to browse music, I know for sure that a digital file simply can’t generate the same tactile sensory pleasure of holding an album cover in ones hands and savouring the typography / photography / illustration in situ. I’d simply forgotten how much I’d missed this simple pleasure.

Blackmorec posted:

My story. A former Vinyl fan I owned a tricked out LP 12 on Mana Phase 5 (rubbish) , with ARO, Armageddon,  Troika etc, etc.  The thing sounded good but was a nightmare to set up properly. Swapped it all for a Well Tempered Reference with Dynavector Te Kaitora and BAT VK-10 phonestage....sounded better and far easier to set up. Then I moved countries and found I lacked the space for all the vinyl plus CDs so got rid of the TT, Phonestage and put my records into storage.  15 years later I've moved to a full digital system with local and internet streaming, and although I didn't need it, an excellent phonostage. The downsizing opened up the top shelf of my rack. I spent a long time waiting for my new system to arrive, which is always dangerous...and got to thinking about an analog set-up. Did my homework and eventually settled on a Michell Orbe SE, SME Series IV and an Ortofon Cadenza Black with Cardas phono leads.

The combination of Michell Orbe and SME is a pleasure to set up. Everything is a precisely calibrated adjustment, unlike the Linn, so suits my uber-Anal approach to hi-fi.  Having set up everything exactly and precisely, I pulled all my old Decca and EMI classical records and bought a load of my old favourite rock albums, now remastered and pressed on 180gram vinyl.

My new system arrived so I excitedly took a listen. Fantastic! Great imaging, focus, tonal integrity. As good as I ever remember vinyl. The TT, arm and cartridge synergized really well and I was delighted, although a bit let down by a few of the 180g remasters which were OK but nothing like as special as some of those old Decca and EMI recordings.

Then my new digital server arrived. Put it on its rack shelf, plugged in the PC and interconnect and we're ready to go. Left it about 30 hours before taking a listen.  Holy cow but this thing is good. Better than analog in every respect...more resolving, bigger more focused sound stage, greater musical impetus and drive, far better micro and macro dynamics, greater listener involvement, more natural sounding and above all, a lot quieter, with far blacker backgrounds, so far more revealing of low level detail. To say it killed my appetite for vinyl would be an understatement.  So last week I pulled the whole analog rig, repacked it and took it to the dealer's.

Moral of the story....save the money you'd spend on an analog system and invest it in a SOTA digital source. You won't believe how much information is on a red book CD that CDPs have simply never revealed.  The lastest digital HW and files make analog sound old; noisy stylus to vinyl interface, contamination noise, lack of dynamics and low level detail lost in the less than silent background. The ritual of taking a record out of its sleeve, clamping it to the platter, lowering the delicate stylus into the lead in groove is very memory evoking and quaintly satisfying but palls pretty quickly in the face of superior sound quality, random access to any album you care to name, dark, pristine backgrounds, huge soundstage, total listener involvement and not a single pop or crackle to ruin the illusion.  If complete immersion in music is your goal, analog replay very clearly belongs in the past and digital finally has come of age.  And this from a former 'dyed in the wool vinyl fanatic'

 

 

what is sota digital source?      well tempered reference :  i remember, wonderful deck!

Like you, i am mostly listening with my digital combo ( nds/555dr/ unitserve -uptone js2). But still find there is something superior with the sound of lps through a good deck.  I had sme20/sme5 and now a rega rp10 with delos cart.  

I am listening to digital for all the new albums and also the convenience to choose with an ipad....but when i put an lp, it sounds more real to me.    My digital combo is fully optimized with high quality lans, linear ps ....but the rega rp10/delos, at third the cost, is still ahead for me.

A little clarification to my earlier post....

Perhaps yesterday I did go a little extreme in stating that the vinyl on my modestly priced TT is better than streaming via the Core, but in my defence I was listening to an old LP at the time.

Another way of explaining is the sound/music output is definitely different but I can't really explain in what way. I guess its down to personal preference.

I agree with others that the vinyl is certainly much more of an effort/ritual and my guess is sometimes you will be bothered and at other times you won't.

It's not my business but I would suggest just 'dipping your toes in the water' to start and see how you feel after several months. 

Now buying vinyl in a real shop I actually find is a great hobby, although I'm not sure SWMBO finds it as exciting as I do!

ATB with your decision making.

Mike

Yetizone posted:

Blackmorec… Thanks so much for sharing your equipment buying history - a very detailed and thoughtful account based on experience - appreciated. Would you be so kind as to please expand on the rest of the system, particularly the streaming source as system context is helpful.

Max_B and TK421…. Great to read that you are now enjoying vinyl again. Could your experience be a telling signpost I wonder. I’ll take a look at Project’s Debut, but I think my heart belongs to Linn & Rega!

 

I have to admit that the thought of the new NDX2 is tantalising, especially as it seems the value of my vinyl collection could help finance that direction. But… After taking in the observations from everyone (thanks all), I think I’m just going to have to scratch the itch. Just to prove to myself (either way) whether a vinyl source can be a viable playback medium in this day and age. Initially, I’m probably leaning towards a modest Rega deck and then use it alongside my UQ2 / MacMini streaming source back to back to see how I get on. Perhaps then jump on the LP12 / RP10/ SME / AVID upgrade hamster wheel if vinyl is dominating play.

Only then I will know how much I’m enjoying the vinyl playback ritual - lowering the stylus and flipping over the disc at the end of each side. Time will tell if this becomes a tiresome chore interrupting music flow, or an anticipatory pleasure for the music to continue. Not to mention how the odd crackly disc actually sounds, and if it becomes annoying.

One issue that could scupper the process long term is the quality of new vinyl. If I buy new LPs and end up having to return warped or noisy discs, then this would be testing - as in the early 1990’s where this scenario eventually fuelled my switch to shiny discs, despite their nails down a blackboard SQ shortcomings at the time. 

Anyway, in the long term I hope both streaming and vinyl sources can successfully coexist for me, but only time will tell. 

After enjoying pawing over my old LPs this last couple of weeks and despite the pleasure of using an iPad and App to browse music, I know for sure that a digital file simply can’t generate the same tactile sensory pleasure of holding an album cover in ones hands and savouring the typography / photography / illustration in situ. I’d simply forgotten how much I’d missed this simple pleasure.

i am buying at discogs, near mint or mint pressings from the analog erra.  Fantastic site!   for 600 lps i have, i returned perhaps 5.... you can choose the year of pressing, the quality, the price...    the best site for vinyl lovers.    ( also full credits for each album, musicians, mastering....).

sota cosmos is very well built, better than the bouncing lp12.  But the lp12 has better prat, the cosmos was a bit polite when i heard it some years ago.   Anyway i would be also happy with a klimax lp12.....

But for this price i would buy the avid acutus reference, personally....

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