What's the Latest Thing You've Seen at the Cinema II

As we are in the school holidays I have been taking children to Kids Club:

Sing

I have this on DVD, but the big screen does add a lot to the experience. The four year old I had with me LOVED it, and was enthusiastically joining in with the songs, she has seen it a few times.

Recommended.

Diary of a Wimpy Kid

Aimed at an older children this film majors on toilet humour. Some of the sets ups are funny, but there is just too long between the laughs, especially as some are weak and don't land.

M

Mr Underhill posted:

Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets

Luc Besson has made some really good films, this isn't one.

From the stable of thought that bought you Prometheus & Alien Covenant we have yet another film which features:

Stratospherically high production values;
A lead with no charisma;
Poorly developed characters;
A plot with more holes than a colander.

It is a shame as the film does have some nice ideas & sequences.

M

 

Sorry M, it's not that I disagree - I don't - but I do think you're short selling the film by measuring it against a traditional set of criteria. Like films as Titan A.E. and Oblivion, and to a lesser extent Disney's Treasure Planet and Atlantis, we have high concept productions in which the passion of its creators clearly shines through and makes them worth watching even through the plot holes and thin characterisation. It is a shame that there is a certain unfulfilled promise here, but it would be an even bigger shame not to go see these movies because of it. Just my 2 cents...

EJ

It felt like a parade of sound and visual special effects. Personally, I would have been much more interested in what was happening on the beaches. It is also sad that the sacrifice of the 18.000 French soldiers who gave their lives to defend the Dunkirk pocket and enabled the evacuation was never fully recognized. I would give it three stars out of five.

EJS posted:
Mr Underhill posted:

Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets

Luc Besson has made some really good films, this isn't one.

From the stable of thought that bought you Prometheus & Alien Covenant we have yet another film which features:

Stratospherically high production values;
A lead with no charisma;
Poorly developed characters;
A plot with more holes than a colander.

It is a shame as the film does have some nice ideas & sequences.

M

 

...... but I do think you're short selling the film by measuring it against a traditional set of criteria.

EJ

Hi EJ,

<spoilers>

I do think that there is a lot of good stuff in the film, mainly on the concepts and design.

I am happy to give it a pass from reality based on its clear fantasy bias.

What prevented me from enjoying it was what I saw as lazy writing, such as:

1. Having a group of primitive living, although highly intelligent, beings get onto a crashed spaceship on a planet that is then disintegrated, but somehow live through that process and survive, learning the previous occupants language & technology whilst only having the resources on this broken ship .....what??
2. Give the lead bad-guy such a lack of development, and fill his mouth with political ideas clearly culled from here and now but so poorly expressed. I like it when you spend time giving the 'other side' a view point that you may well disagree with but that you can intellectually 'get'; or better yet strongly empathise with, such as in Hellboy 2.

I could go on, but basically my feeling was that despite some great visuals this film failed to hang together in any meaningful way, and I always want Luc to hit the ball out of the park.

</spoilers>

M

Mr Underhill posted:
EJS posted:
Mr Underhill posted:

Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets

Luc Besson has made some really good films, this isn't one.

 

...

M

 

...... but I do think you're short selling the film by measuring it against a traditional set of criteria.

EJ

Hi EJ,

<spoilers>

I do think that there is a lot of good stuff in the film, mainly on the concepts and design.

I am happy to give it a pass from reality based on its clear fantasy bias.

What prevented me from enjoying it was what I saw as lazy writing, such as:

1. Having a group of primitive living, although highly intelligent, beings get onto a crashed spaceship on a planet that is then disintegrated, but somehow live through that process and survive, learning the previous occupants language & technology whilst only having the resources on this broken ship .....what??
2. Give the lead bad-guy such a lack of development, and fill his mouth with political ideas clearly culled from here and now but so poorly expressed. I like it when you spend time giving the 'other side' a view point that you may well disagree with but that you can intellectually 'get'; or better yet strongly empathise with, such as in Hellboy 2.

I could go on, but basically my feeling was that despite some great visuals this film failed to hang together in any meaningful way, and I always want Luc to hit the ball out of the park.

</spoilers>

M

On Clive's motivation, isn't it only fair that the film from the books that had such a profound influence on Star Wars would be about trade sanctions  

EJ

Hi EJ,

Yes. It wasn't the 'what' of the motivation that jarred with me, it was the clumsy verbiage that was put into Clive's mouth.

Like John Carter this was a huge influence of much that has followed, but the shame is that in waiting for the technology to make a good film possible they both feel derivative ....but I would say that John Carter was better crafted in terms of the narrative flow, pacing and dialogue.

.....we should debate this over a couple of pints!

M

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