What speaker cable are you using?

S3 posted:

At the risk of this being a “don’t tell him Pike” moment is there anyway someone could discretely let me and any other members know who this forbidden manufacturer is? 

Richard - perhaps just give a clue....

Not fair to ask that of Richard.

However on here you'll occasionally find mention of things like Cuddly Toy power supplies.

Furthermore in this day of digital communication, then in respect of continuous wave ('CW') radio, one does have to ask "What For?".


And after that post, I think my name will also go in the book!  

S3, obviously I can't say, and I don't really wish to add any embarrassment to the party who don't wish to be discussed or mentioned on here.  Furthermore, I don't wish Naim to suddenly find themselves in some escalating dispute over something so silly.

You'll know when your post goes to moderation. 

Huge, that's sailing mighty close to the reef...

TonyR posted:

Would Super Lumina be overkill, or not suitable,  on a Nova? I'm currently using NACA5, with Totem speakers.

Thx
Tony

Well it wouldn't be unsuitable, but whether or not it would be overkill in terms of cost, I guess you would have to decide for yourself. Given that the cost of a Nova + SL cables is going to be similar to the cost of, say, NDX/Supernait or 272/250, I would go for the box upgrade instead. Of course, if you want to stick to a single box system, the only upgrade option you have (other than speakers) is to max out the cables!

antony d posted:
The Strat (Fender) posted:

The concensus will be Naca 5 or Superlumina but I use Chord Oydessy.

 

+1 as The Strat

Cord Oydessy

+ 2 as The Strat. Chord Odyssey2.

For me, better (more refined, smoother) than NACA05 - especially with regards Classical music, which makes up the majority of my music collection.

However, NACA05 has more excitement (PRaT) which is great for rock music.

S3 posted:

At the risk of this being a “don’t tell him Pike” moment is there anyway someone could discretely let me and any other members know who this forbidden manufacturer is? 

Richard - perhaps just give a clue....

I think you’ll have to compile an alphabetical list of all manufacturers and post here, with a count of how many with each starting letter. Then the moderated post will reveal the starting letter and brands with that letter that it isn’t.

It does seem bizarre not being told the name of he-who-can’t-be-discussed, as how do we know until we happen to name them or one of their products and then get moderated - however I do understand that the reason is because the said party doesn’t want their name mentioned at all.

Huge posted:
S3 posted:

At the risk of this being a “don’t tell him Pike” moment is there anyway someone could discretely let me and any other members know who this forbidden manufacturer is? 

Richard - perhaps just give a clue....

Not fair to ask that of Richard.

However on here you'll occasionally find mention of things like Cuddly Toy power supplies.

Furthermore in this day of digital communication, then in respect of continuous wave ('CW') radio, one does have to ask "What For?".


And after that post, I think my name will also go in the book!  

Naughty boy. You need to ask for a pardon.

I had Nac A5 for 14 years then moved to Chord after reading on the forum. Currently using Epic Reference. I like this cable because it's fairly neutral and open with good resolution and you can easily hear the difference when comparing or trying new interconnects and mains cables.

That said, Nac A5 is hard to beat, always!

TQ Black II for me

Although in a previous system I usaed 5m biwire lengths of NACA5 (it was a while ago and i didn't know any better.....) and i was incredibly happy with the result, my new system required some flexibility in the location of speakers (and in the cables to reach the locations) that I worried NACA5 simply couldn't be forced to accommodate

in the future i'd like to compare the two but we'll see if and when this turns out to be possible

NACA5 for me too. I tried Chord Signature (Mk1) for over a month as many of my other interconnects are Chord but although it had better detail and separation it lacked, to me, the naturalness of the NACA5. It may be that I need an all copper cable in my set-up to balance out the Seas tweeters in my Kudos speakers which are sometimes referred to as 'hot'. I also found that longer lengths of NACA5 smooth out the sound a little, again towards a more 'organic/natural' sound, so it is worth trialling more than the 3.5m minimum lengths recommended.

whsturm posted:

NACA5 for me too. I tried Chord Signature (Mk1) for over a month as many of my other interconnects are Chord but although it had better detail and separation it lacked, to me, the naturalness of the NACA5. It may be that I need an all copper cable in my set-up to balance out the Seas tweeters in my Kudos speakers which are sometimes referred to as 'hot'. I also found that longer lengths of NACA5 smooth out the sound a little, again towards a more 'organic/natural' sound, so it is worth trialling more than the 3.5m minimum lengths recommended.

5-10m optimal. 3.5m simply a minimum.

G

Richard Dane posted:

S3, obviously I can't say, and I don't really wish to add any embarrassment to the party who don't wish to be discussed or mentioned on here.  Furthermore, I don't wish Naim to suddenly find themselves in some escalating dispute over something so silly.

You'll know when your post goes to moderation. 

Huge, that's sailing mighty close to the reef...

I thought that after my apologizing reply the thing was obviously to be abandoned quickly. Why do people behave like children? You tell them spit disgusts you, and all they can think of is jokes about spitting.

Anyway, it appears that the person(s) involved have nothing to do with power supplies. I understand less and less people's behaviour, but I suppose it's a a common thing with age.

Agreed Max. Anyway A5 Naim cable has traditionally been married with Naim gear for eons and to me is a very satisfying product. I briefly tried TQB but timing was "off" in my 272/250dr/ s400 system, so went back to A5 and never been happier. SL is of course better, but price has put me off, till impending Lotto win. 

I had to change from too-short NACA4 so, on recommendation of Chord as opposed to NAIM cable (unavailable locally out here in my remote location) I settled for Chord Epic, keeping the upgrade within my budget.

During a series of upgrades, it enabled my pursuit of retaining involving musicality, whilst enhancing "hifi" presentation.  The best of both worlds...

As an aside,  I'm hugely impressed that there's a product out there called "Shiit Yggdrasil".

sunbeamgls posted:

Not really answering the OP because my system only has one Naim product at the moment - one pair of SL speaker cables. I have active PMC Twenty.26, the other 2 lengths of cable are currently Linn K400, but will become SL when funds eventually allow.

Active Tweny-26s - that is an interesting but seemingly not very common implementation.

Out of interest, how close are your power amps to the speakers? Other than amps requiring the cable’s inductance to stabilise them, as with at least the older Naim products, I have always assumed that the shorter the cable the better, because the ideal would be no cable, directly connecting the amp to the speaker, so the shorter the cable the less negative effect it may have (and the less costly - triply so with tri-amping!), and the logical corollary of that is that very short cables, as wihen the amps are right next to the speaker, any effect will be so small as to be completely inaudible.

sunbeamgls posted:

Not really answering the OP because my system only has one Naim product at the moment - one pair of SL speaker cables. I have active PMC Twenty.26, the other 2 lengths of cable are currently Linn K400, but will become SL when funds eventually allow.

K400 and the triwire K600 (if they still make it) are excellent. Electrically near identical to K20 which itself is a A4 clone (or the other way around). You can't really go wrong with the Linn K cables if in doubt just like you can't go wrong with A5.

Oddly enough I used to use Naim A4 in a Linn system, then K400. I had to go all Naim electronics before I decided to use neither Naim or Linn. Odd that.

feeling_zen posted:
...K400 and the triwire K600 (if they still make it) are excellent. Electrically near identical to K20 which itself is a A4 clone (or the other way around)...

You had it the right way around.

From the original forum:

Date: September 10, 1999 05:14 AM

Author: julian vereker

Subject: NACA4

Incidentally the Linn (K20?) cable was an illegal copy by BICC of our NACA4, BICC thought that it was their design and therefore started supplying both grey and black copies to other manufacturers including Linn - due to a change of staff/factory I believe.

When this was pointed out to BICC, they settled out of court. We then spent the money on designing a new and better cable with another supplier under a secrecy agreement, and this is the NACA5.

julian

e d o posted:

I've been happily using NACA5 for years however I recently came across a few varieties of Inakustik cable (German) in Akihabara and found myself curious. Construction is similar to Naim but I don't know the specifications. Has anyone tried it?

I’ve had and tried the Inakustik Atmos but it didn’t impress me much. Nothing more than NacA5 and less lively. Leaning to darkish grey, so to speak.

about six months ago, i found a set of secondhand Vertere Pulse-Xmini (yes, Vertere spell it that way, for some reason) cables and decided to give them a go, mostly due to boredom: i hadn't had anything other than A5 in about 20 years.

subjective analysis: i -think- i heard a slight increase in clarity versus the A5. objective reality: they are WAY easier to work with, so they stayed!

Michael_B. posted:

NACA5 for ages, but have changed to Mogami with the Shahinians. They time nearly as well but are much better on acoustic timbre.

Mogami here too, but then again, Shahinians here too. Mogami was suggested to me by John Burns of Pear Audio, the importers of Shahinian. He was right that it works much better than NACA5 in my system. It’s cheap too, but I have to say that I have no idea how it might work with other speaker brands. 

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