Which 4K TV?

Recent purchase of Oppo 203 and flat move in two weeks' time might justify upgrade to 4K TV. House-warming present to self if you will...

Richer Sounds told me current 4K models may come down in price between now and April, when new models and price increases are expected.

So, the question is - which TV?

(Looking at 40" max - I really baulk at oversized models...)

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I have recently had a look at 4K TVs from Panasonic and Samsung. Whilst I felt the way Panasonic gave the most accurate picture I felt the Samsung sets had better motion control, very smooth. Ive always had Panasonic TVs and still use a 42" plasma of theirs. I find led TVs a bit in your face by comparison. But maybe with professional calibration this would be reduced. 

I went for one of the latest top specification LG OLEDs and had it professionally calibrated. Picture is sublime but at 55 inches could be too big for you. I thought that at first too but the screen is so thin that it's hardly opressive. In fact it's a lot less dominating than an old Sony 28 inch widescreen CRT I had many moons ago. Panasonic and Sony 2017 ranges could be worth a look too over the coming months.

Finkfan posted:

How much was the calibration @Ravenswood10

Calibration was £250 from a certified ISF calibrator. He calibrated my Pioneer Kuro and Panasonic Plasmas before. This might seem expensive but you're looking at 3 hours work and a stunning end result. The LG has two ISF settings which are a start but they need work to optimise the white balance and remove a slight green tinge from flesh tones otherwise some faces can look like the morning after the night before. I can send you the details.

Our last screen was a 32 Panasonic plasma on a wall mounted moveable job positioned near a corner in a small room. New Sony 60 4K instead almost seems smaller due to thinner chassis and bezel.   Try and be more open minded regarding size v distance given out from manufacturers a few years ago. 

TOBYJUG posted:

Our last screen was a 32 Panasonic plasma on a wall mounted moveable job positioned near a corner in a small room. New Sony 60 4K instead almost seems smaller due to thinner chassis and bezel.   Try and be more open minded regarding size v distance given out from manufacturers a few years ago. 

I'd suggest it looks smaller because you're probably sitting further away from it.

Don Atkinson posted:

The recommendations last summer, when I was considering replacing my Pioneer Kuro included

  • LG OLED 65E6V
  • LG OLED 55B6V
  • Samsung 4k Quantum Dot HDR
  • Panasonic 902

I still have my Pioneer, but one day.....

After much research and comparison I (or rather, we) went for a 65" Samsung 9500 4K HDR set to replace our Panasonic plasma. I was originally convinced we'd be getting one of the OLED sets but to our eyes the Samsung had the better picture. 

fatcat posted:
TOBYJUG posted:

Our last screen was a 32 Panasonic plasma on a wall mounted moveable job positioned near a corner in a small room. New Sony 60 4K instead almost seems smaller due to thinner chassis and bezel.   Try and be more open minded regarding size v distance given out from manufacturers a few years ago. 

I'd suggest it looks smaller because you're probably sitting further away from it.

No the same distance.

I've just taken delivery of a Sony 65" XD9305 and it is stunning. We watched Life Of Pi on 4K Blu Ray on Saturday and the picture was nothing short of stunning.

Ive routed my Sky Q box via the HDMI in of my OPPO 203 so everything is upscaled to 4K. Happy days.

I was going to get a 55" LG OLED but I couldn't resist the extra screen size for just £100 more. Side by side in the shop I could see little difference between them.

I'll consider getting it professionally calibrated in due course but for now I've got day, night and HDR settings recommended by AV Forums.

tonym posted:
Don Atkinson posted:

The recommendations last summer, when I was considering replacing my Pioneer Kuro included

  • LG OLED 65E6V
  • LG OLED 55B6V
  • Samsung 4k Quantum Dot HDR
  • Panasonic 902

I still have my Pioneer, but one day.....

After much research and comparison I (or rather, we) went for a 65" Samsung 9500 4K HDR set to replace our Panasonic plasma. I was originally convinced we'd be getting one of the OLED sets but to our eyes the Samsung had the better picture. 

Is that a curved screen? 

Nick

You might struggle to find a top quality screen at 40” or below. The state of the art screens are usually reserved for the larger TV’s.

 Having said that Sony do a 43” XD8 with a Triluminos screen. Four years ago the Sony W905 HD with Triluminos screen was their flagship TV, I certainly won’t be swapping it for a 4K model any time soon. Superb picture quality, with top notch upscaling capabilities.

 

 

Samsung does a 49KS8000 which is a 49", flat screen HDR TV, essentially the best 49" flat screen that they make.  This is what I plan to pair with an Oppo 203 for my entry into the world of 4K HDR TV.

The LG OLED TVs are also excellent but currently start at 55", so are too large for the space that we have.

Hope this helps, FT

tonym posted:
Don Atkinson posted:

The recommendations last summer, when I was considering replacing my Pioneer Kuro included

  • LG OLED 65E6V
  • LG OLED 55B6V
  • Samsung 4k Quantum Dot HDR
  • Panasonic 902

I still have my Pioneer, but one day.....

After much research and comparison I (or rather, we) went for a 65" Samsung 9500 4K HDR set to replace our Panasonic plasma. I was originally convinced we'd be getting one of the OLED sets but to our eyes the Samsung had the better picture. 

Hi Tony,

Yes, the Samsung 4K Quantum Dot HDR model mentioned above was copied from your post in the Kuro Replacement thread. You might have subsequently mentioned the size and model number, but in my haste to compile the list above, I must have missed it, apologies.

Finkfan posted:

When I get my next tv I'll be having it calibrated. I think it's money well spent to get a great picture. Trying to get the white balance right by eye is impossible! My Panasonic gt50 looked fantastic out of the box though 

Professional calibration takes around 3 hours or so. Cost in Poland was approximately Eur 150 for a 60" Panasonic reference plasma. Sticking with this one as there are no plans for commercial 4K broadcats here.

I had one of the last Pioneer plasmas and never saw anything as good as it until recently, when I bought a LG oled55b6v. I looked at the last (and best) plasma Panasonic 55" they made, nearly bought it, but decided not to. The 55" was bigger than my Pioneer, but the picture was far from good enough. Usual grainy, poor blacks, flat and not sharp.

My LGoled55b6v is absolutely superb. The best picture I've ever seen. The 100% black takes a little getting used to, as I've never experienced an image this rich. I can't help but notice the cinemas's flaws now. The oled image is very sharp, rich but beautifully graduated tones, especially in faces. Virtually unlimited settings to perfect the balances, but surprisingly enough, it wasn't that far out from the manufacture calibration. A few tweeks to "expert dark room" mode.

Professional calibration? Hmmm, that's like saying I've booked myself a professional photographer, so the pics are going to great, right? No. I've read a lot about tv calibration on the internet and I don't agree with a fair amount of what's written and I've seen calibrated tvs and seen obvious flaws in those.

I saw my LG OLED before (lived it for a couple of weeks) and after calibration and there's a very real difference and for the better. Most settings are very artificial out of the box and are that way to impress in electrical retailers where sets are competing against each other to grab attention. The ISF Dark Room setting is closest to the ideal but clearly benefitted from ISF calibration (not those set-up discs btw). Perhaps some like flesh tones on the morning after the night before side but I don't

Of course it all depends on the quality of the calibrator and after three TVs with the same chap that must say something. Open you mind and take a chance - you might just like the result BTW - I've never booked myself a professional photographer but owned one of those last best Panasonic Plasmas also calibrated - sold it in 1 day to a chap 150 miles away who was more than delighted and loved said flesh tones and blacks when compared to an uncalibrated reference on the sam set - buff said.

BigH47 posted:

Unfortunately if I choose a TV over 1.1m wide it will really restrict access to the garden.  So about 50 inch is the max without a complete reversal of the room.   So unless we move small(ish) TVs are the norm for us.

I'm with you on TV size.    I'm fussy about the way I like a room to look;   Its not a "TV room" & much the same as my audio & the reason I downsized to 3 visible Naim boxes,   I don't want a TV to dominate the room.   I have however just replaced a 10 y.o. 32inch flatscreen with a 4K 43inch,   but the TV is not 11 inch's bigger,  with the very narrow screen edges these days it has a bigger screen but only slightly bigger (wider) than the old model & most pleasing & why i chose this one is it still stands nice & discreetly on the TV cabinet.

Hungryhalibut posted:

We have a 42" Panasonic which is quite big enough for us. It's only used for a few hours a week anyway. 

Ours is wall mounted between the main speakers which are about 3m apart so nothing less than a 65" 4k when it comes to replacing the current 50" Kuro Plasma. Real shame that Pioneer got out of the tv business, can only imagine what their Tv engineers could do with the current 4k OLED HDR tech. 

TOBYJUG posted:

Our last screen was a 32 Panasonic plasma on a wall mounted moveable job positioned near a corner in a small room. New Sony 60 4K instead almost seems smaller due to thinner chassis and bezel.   Try and be more open minded regarding size v distance given out from manufacturers a few years ago. 

I use a 37" TV for general purpose TV and a projector to 160" for films (screen doubles as a window blind). I don't see any point and so no value for 4k on the 37" as I really think the visible difference compared to HD will be minimal, if evident at all (viewing distance 8-9ft). The projector, screen viewed from about 11ft, is another matter! However too pricey and not enough content to contemplate yet, even if I had to replace the projector now.

Finkfan posted:

I had heard that the pioneer tv engineers went across to Panasonic, any truth in that? 

That's what I heard too which is why the last Panasonic Plasmas were so good. They built a brand new factory to support plasma panel manufacture only to close it down not long after - the panels were just not economic enough to produce.

rackkit posted:
Hungryhalibut posted:

We have a 42" Panasonic which is quite big enough for us. It's only used for a few hours a week anyway. 

Ours is wall mounted between the main speakers which are about 3m apart so nothing less than a 65" 4k when it comes to replacing the current 50" Kuro Plasma. Real shame that Pioneer got out of the tv business, can only imagine what their Tv engineers could do with the current 4k OLED HDR tech. 

I don't think you'll have long as it looks as if Panasonic, Sony and Samsung are doing more with OLED. Sony are said to be addressing brightness which is a current OLED weakness - or so we're told!

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