Introducing Uniti, our revolutionary new streaming platform.

Gggabo posted:

Fingers crossed the new uniti range has been delayed because of the hardware MQA DAC implementation process. Without the proper MQA support, this new revolutionary  range would be already obsolete for me..

Naim has no plans to implement MQA support at this time and at this time MQA on TIDAL is only available through their Desktop app - they haven't yet released the MQA libraries for use by client devices.

Phil

I really can't see th  fuss about mqa. I have been listening on hd650 and hd800 headphone son the meridian explorer 2 box since yesterday. And it's pretty ho hum on the fairly miserable selection of albums on tidal

ive asking for over two years for a dev kit whereby I can encode my own material. But they won't release it. One wonders why...

I dont see the fuss about MQA either.

I just hope that when the products do come out May onwards they will be bug free and at the same price. I also hope that they will be equipped with hardware which would be able to cope with future developments (as far as reasonably practicable)

iliria posted:

I dont see the fuss about MQA either.

I just hope that when the products do come out May onwards they will be bug free and at the same price. I also hope that they will be equipped with hardware which would be able to cope with future developments (as far as reasonably practicable)

Myself I OK with the delay, just hoping the final Nova sounds as good what I heard at CES 2017.

Made 2 separate trips on 2 different days to the Nova room and the Naim separates room across the hall. The Nova sounds better to me, the separates have a somewhat slower softer rhythm that is not to my taste.  With Tidal streaming it was clearly evident the DAC in the separate stack is long in the tooth and needs upgrading. While the soundstage improved when they switched over to the hard drive/server I couldn't shake that soft relaxed nature. I really really hope the Naim engineer's don't push the sound of the Nova in that direction. 

As far as MQA, I don't see the fuss with the naysayers.  The 96/24 Master recordings via the Tidal desktop app already sound much better to my ears than the HiFi streaming on the Naim/Tidal app. It's almost silly for Naim not to include Master streaming within their Tidal app. I could care less if they don't want to include the DAC chip optimization feature, which probably amounts to nothing more than an EQ feature knowing B.S. of Meridian.

Perhaps it's high time for Naim to lift the rock and offer owner selectable digital output filters on the Uniti products like Chord does. 

Bill Allen posted:
iliria posted:

I dont see the fuss about MQA either.

I just hope that when the products do come out May onwards they will be bug free and at the same price. I also hope that they will be equipped with hardware which would be able to cope with future developments (as far as reasonably practicable)

Myself I OK with the delay, just hoping the final Nova sounds as good what I heard at CES 2017.

Made 2 separate trips on 2 different days to the Nova room and the Naim separates room across the hall. The Nova sounds better to me, the separates have a somewhat slower softer rhythm that is not to my taste.  With Tidal streaming it was clearly evident the DAC in the separate stack is long in the tooth and needs upgrading. While the soundstage improved when they switched over to the hard drive/server I couldn't shake that soft relaxed nature. I really really hope the Naim engineer's don't push the sound of the Nova in that direction. 

As far as MQA, I don't see the fuss with the naysayers.  The 96/24 Master recordings via the Tidal desktop app already sound much better to my ears than the HiFi streaming on the Naim/Tidal app. It's almost silly for Naim not to include Master streaming within their Tidal app. I could care less if they don't want to include the DAC chip optimization feature, which probably amounts to nothing more than an EQ feature knowing B.S. of Meridian.

Perhaps it's high time for Naim to lift the rock and offer owner selectable digital output filters on the Uniti products like Chord does. 

Did you hear the Atom or star by any chance 

nova out of my league but hope same sound signature trickle down to small brothers 

Crabby posted:
Bill Allen posted:
iliria posted:

I dont see the fuss about MQA either.

I just hope that when the products do come out May onwards they will be bug free and at the same price. I also hope that they will be equipped with hardware which would be able to cope with future developments (as far as reasonably practicable)

Myself I OK with the delay, just hoping the final Nova sounds as good what I heard at CES 2017.

Made 2 separate trips on 2 different days to the Nova room and the Naim separates room across the hall. The Nova sounds better to me, the separates have a somewhat slower softer rhythm that is not to my taste.  With Tidal streaming it was clearly evident the DAC in the separate stack is long in the tooth and needs upgrading. While the soundstage improved when they switched over to the hard drive/server I couldn't shake that soft relaxed nature. I really really hope the Naim engineer's don't push the sound of the Nova in that direction. 

As far as MQA, I don't see the fuss with the naysayers.  The 96/24 Master recordings via the Tidal desktop app already sound much better to my ears than the HiFi streaming on the Naim/Tidal app. It's almost silly for Naim not to include Master streaming within their Tidal app. I could care less if they don't want to include the DAC chip optimization feature, which probably amounts to nothing more than an EQ feature knowing B.S. of Meridian.

Perhaps it's high time for Naim to lift the rock and offer owner selectable digital output filters on the Uniti products like Chord does. 

Did you hear the Atom or star by any chance 

nova out of my league but hope same sound signature trickle down to small brothers Yes I had an extensive listen of the Atom at the 2016 RMAF, it sounded fantastic. 

Yes I had two extended listens to the Atom at the 2016 RMAF, it also sounded fantastic. The Nova has a more relaxed and refined sound, but understand at CES 2017 Naim used the highly upgraded Focal Sopra Speakers. However I could clearly hear the new Uniti family of sound. No worries as we all have at least 5 months to think about it now. Funny, not one word was spoken at CES about a delay in shipping of the Uniti line.

Something big must have happened .. the only "big" announcement at CES ... the launch of MQA.

For the desktop Tidal app you don't need a MQA decoding app, as there's a direct mode in the app whereby it does the decoding itself (or on Tidal's end). There's a pass through or equivalent mode if you want to do the decoding yourself. So the current omission of MQA by Naim is really no big deal.

iliria posted:

What are the benefits of buying the Uniti Star versus buying Core+Atom?

Extra power, extra connectivity and hdmi as standard for Star. All this on top of cd ripping capability of course. 

Tried to copy a very good comparison pic I have but didn't work. Anyone knows how I add a simple pic ? 

Maybe a noob question (my Naim experience so far is just with the Muso range) - but how would the Uniti range compare to the separates streamers / can it be upgraded well?

I was thinking for example: Nova + NAP 250 or 300 DR + Focals Electra 1038

How would that compare to having a NAP-272 streamer/pre-amp or one of the separates streamers like NDX or ND5 XS instead of the Nova as source..

Btw, could you connect the Nova to a pre-amp and then to a power amp..?

The reason for asking is that I really like the Nova design and would love to use it as a source, but do not want to compromise on sound quality compared to the separates streamers.

Thanks a lot for any opinions and sorry if the questions do not make full sense.

 

Petko posted:

Maybe a noob question (my Naim experience so far is just with the Muso range) - but how would the Uniti range compare to the separates streamers / can it be upgraded well?

I was thinking for example: Nova + NAP 250 or 300 DR + Focals Electra 1038

How would that compare to having a NAP-272 streamer/pre-amp or one of the separates streamers like NDX or ND5 XS instead of the Nova as source..

Btw, could you connect the Nova to a pre-amp and then to a power amp..?

The reason for asking is that I really like the Nova design and would love to use it as a source, but do not want to compromise on sound quality compared to the separates streamers.

Thanks a lot for any opinions and sorry if the questions do not make full sense.

 

I think you would be wasting your money if you buy a Nova with the intention of quickly adding a 250 or 300 power amplifier.

None of us can really say yet how the Nova as a source compares with the 272 or an NDX because the Nova isn't released yet. As a general statement though, the 272 and 250DR is pretty universally agreed to be much better than the SuperUniti and I would expect the Nova to be higher sound quality than the SuperUniti, but not that much better.

Ultimately you will have to listen and decide for yourself.

best

David

Since we are at it Phil, may I ask why Naim has not designed the Core, which we know will serve as a universal ripping & storing server across the board, above and beyond the new Uniti range, with an external PSU for all enhanced SQ purposes? 

Chag -

Maybe because the design is such that the PS has no impact on the sound, and somthere is no upgrading to be obtained by changingbthe PS? It may be significant that the Core works only in the digital domain, where  the critical factors are more to do with things like preventing RF contamination of the digital stream, and nothing to do with factors such as audio frequency filtration and speed of transient delivery.

Chag... posted:

Since we are at it Phil, may I ask why Naim has not designed the Core, which we know will serve as a universal ripping & storing server across the board, above and beyond the new Uniti range, with an external PSU for all enhanced SQ purposes? 

Chag -

The clue is in the name!

Chag... posted:

Since we are at it Phil, may I ask why Naim has not designed the Core, which we know will serve as a universal ripping & storing server across the board, above and beyond the new Uniti range, with an external PSU for all enhanced SQ purposes? 

Chag -

This is a key selling point. Thank god. Put an excellent PSU in the box and avoid the proliferation of gads of extra PSU boxs that cost as much as the device they are powering. I like the KISS principal, a one box solution with excellent performance. I am not at all convinced that with the technology currently available in terms of regulation, noise filtering etc that an external box would be at all necessary for this type of device.

Chag... posted:

Since we are at it Phil, may I ask why Naim has not designed the Core, which we know will serve as a universal ripping & storing server across the board, above and beyond the new Uniti range, with an external PSU for all enhanced SQ purposes? 

Chag -

Hi Chag,

The UnitiCore has been designed with an internal linear power supply and is primarily intended as a ripper / storage device / server. The HDX (which was designed as a high end playback device) had provision for an external PSU for the analogue audio sections but the UnitiCore has no analogue output.

Cheers

Phil

jon honeyball posted:

Why assume that an external PSU will work better for core? It isnt a switched mode supply like UQ or HDX

Remember that the HDX (and the NS0x servers) actually do have twin power supplies in them by default - a switch mode to power the processing hardware and drives and a linear supply for the analogue audio circuitry.

Phil

Phil Harris posted:
jon honeyball posted:

Why assume that an external PSU will work better for core? It isnt a switched mode supply like UQ or HDX

Remember that the HDX (and the NS0x servers) actually do have twin power supplies in them by default - a switch mode to power the processing hardware and drives and a linear supply for the analogue audio circuitry.

Phil

You are of course completely correct. As always

apologies for my terminological inexactitude :-) 

Hifi nut posted:

Surely all naim  streamer users would like MQA to be implemented in the Naim app so we can all enjoy the high  res music it brings,what I've read you don't need a MQA dac as the tidal app does it for you so come on Naim get with the times 

Maybe those who stream online. But that depends on how good it actually is, because it seems from the discussions on the MQA thread that the unpacking results in artefacts that mean it is not as good as from non-lossy compression, so the take-up might be limited, and possibly most of interest to those where bandwidth prevents streaming uncompressed high def music from sites that provide it. And the implementation needs to be in the firmware of each individual streamer, because the app is just a control device.

NaimAudio posted:

NAIM_UNITI_HERO_and_RANGE_20160929-4

Dear Forum members,

Today we announce our most revolutionary streaming platform yet. Inspired by our unfaltering passion for music and enabled by more than 40 years' of tireless innovation, we introduce the new Uniti range. Comprising the Uniti Nova, Uniti Star and Uniti Atom all-in-one players and the Uniti Core hard disk server, Uniti's brand new state-of-the-art technology enables you to experience music like never before. Rip and store entire collections, play or stream music from any source, at the touch of a button, all with the deep, immersive sound only a Naim system delivers.

Our Research and Development team in Salisbury had to fundamentally deconstruct every historic design and technology decision we had ever made to challenge themselves and go further, especially in terms of sound quality. It’s a true ground-up development, all hand-built in Salisbury, with our core principles at its heart. We looked at every single aspect of the product proposition, the electronic architecture, the mechanical enclosure, the user experience and the approach to manufacture and assembly.

The result? A clear step change in every single aspect of the products, a true achievement of excellence. We hope you enjoy this exciting new product range and look forward to hearing what you think.

Discover Uniti: https://www.naimaudio.com/uniti

Best wishes

Naim

[Edited: 13.01.2017]

The new Uniti range is our biggest release in over fifteen years and we are really proud of all the work that has gone into crafting this revolutionary new product range. Due to the technical complexity of Uniti we have faced more challenges than we initially anticipated and we still have some features to refine to ensure the products that reach you are of the highest possible quality.

 We are currently processing certifications for AirPlay, GoogleCast, TIDAL, Bluetooth (aptX HD), WiFi, HDMI and Spotify Connect  and beta testing our latest software; the team is working extremely hard to ensure that the products stand up to the level of quality you have come to expect from Naim.

 As such we have made the difficult decision to delay shipping Uniti Atom until May with Uniti Star and Uniti Nova following in June.

 We have been reviewing all customer feedback from the Uniti Core servers shipped in 2016, and made the decision to stop shipping after Christmas, to ensure we have fixed any software issues before shipping en masse. We are expecting a firmware update next week, and an over-the-air update will be available via the app for those who have already received their Uniti Core servers.  Shipping will re-commence next week as soon as the firmware is available and tested.

We know the delay is frustrating and sincerely apologise for it. Thank you for your continued support and patience while we put the finishing touches on your Uniti.

I was at the Bristol show last Friday and was impressed with the sound from the Nova ,was wondering what difference would a power amp make 555ps? thoughts gentlemen.

 

loved the Naim sound and set up  on the Dynaudio stand, just over 30k worth but made go ooh

David, not quite right, as Naim say 'in true Naim style' you can upgrade the Nova with an external Naim poweramp if you wish using its preamp outputs. The off board power supply is not an option, but as we heard much care has gone into the power supplies for the new Uniti series. Proof is in the hearing / comparison, but I suspect the Nova will give the 272 a run for its money, and from what we are starting to glean the new Uniti streaming architecture looks significantly advantageous over the current  272/172 and standalone streamers.

@Crabby the new Uniti use different technology and approach for streaming which gives more flexibility for new streaming interfaces such as ChromeCast. Additionally the ability to 'suck' the content from the source and then play effectively from memory should replay help with isolating SQ differences from ethernet cables, media servers etc and also give far more robustness to internet streaming and wifi playback. Additionally I understand a lot of the experience from the current network players and devices with digital displays has been applied to significantly reduce internal electrical noise so as to give top flight SQ from a compact box.

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

David, not quite right, as Naim say 'in true Naim style' you can upgrade the Nova with an external Naim poweramp if you wish using its preamp outputs. The off board power supply is not an option, but as we heard much care has gone into the power supplies for the new Uniti series. Proof is in the hearing / comparison, but I suspect the Nova will give the 272 a run for its money, and from what we are starting to glean the new Uniti streaming architecture looks significantly advantageous over the current  272/172 and standalone streamers.

Simpn

 I didn't say that you couldn't use a power amp with a Nova, just that I thought a 272 would make more sense.

But I agree that the new streaming platform is potentially very interesting and if streaming from the Internet (as distinct from streaming from a home server) is important to someone, I can see why the choice of a Nova rather than a 272 might make sense. 

Best

David

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

@Crabby the new Uniti use different technology and approach for streaming which gives more flexibility for new streaming interfaces such as ChromeCast. Additionally the ability to 'suck' the content from the source and then play effectively from memory should replay help with isolating SQ differences from ethernet cables, media servers etc and also give far more robustness to internet streaming and wifi playback. Additionally I understand a lot of the experience from the current network players and devices with digital displays has been applied to significantly reduce internal electrical noise so as to give top flight SQ from a compact box.

Much appreciated Simon 

anyone heard the atom and other big brothers in Bristol ? 

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