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Phil Harris posted:

I did...

Coy boy...lol

Care to comment for the impatient among us, Phil? There's an angst filled thread (new vs old-ish) where folk are keen for scraps and reviews and info on the design and philosophy updates as much as the sound. 

For my part, I am very interested in joining the next tech wave on the "pre replay" side: I think the new advanced platform offers (much) more than the existing one  already and puts us back on track for a pleasant series of future additions as the landscape evolves (as we enjoyed already with multi-room, Spotify, DSD, Tidal, etc.). The user experience has improved significantly and the extra horsepower will enable further gains over time. I compared against another premium manufacturer a week or so ago and was astonished at the difference in maturity between interfaces - I like the Naim path and am an advocate for returning to the "forgotten" inputs (like USB) to improve the music search and selection process (ok some of that is app-side but on-board capacity would also make life smoother in this area). 

As well, I'm eager to benefit from the trickle down and product line specific engineering benefits - from the volume control to the display to the connectivity and, of course, to the anticipated gains in sonic performance due to the improved electronic isolation and power amp supplies. 

Some feedback on side-by-side experiences would be nice, noting of course you are a "company man" as well as an enthusiast. Atom vs Qute, Nova vs Super...of course. But Atom (which you have described as punching way above its weight) vs Super is also very much of interest - especially since these two are likely to find themselves competing on price (new vs used of course). 

Your impressions and reviews would add to the excellent but very limited information we get from those few forum members who have had a chance to demo. More so if you've spent time in a "real" listening environment (like at home rather than a show or at work). 

Also of interest would be info on dates and the order of roll out - are the delays mainly to ensure a smooth launch with known-good firmware and app...hence production and availability concerns are not (really) on the table? Or should May and June be treated with skepticism and expectations management...especially for those who see Atoms hitting the shelves and start the four-week countdown to (Star and) Nova? How about non-UK (okay, I don't care about rest of world, how about Canada): any chance the entire summer will go by in a haze of anticipation and disappointment (weather and holiday plans and the Blue Jays' relief pitching aside of course!)?

I like the humour and cameraderie here. I fully understand the quality control elements that drive the difficult decision to delay launch / shipping. I feel like I'm being a good team player and avoiding the flame tendency that creeps into every online conversation when the substance has been chewed over and speculation is all that's left. I'd love to hear your real thoughts and impressions, your inside perspectives, and indeed your totally biased advice!

Gauntlet thrown - ha ha. Let's share a little more of what's known with the line of customers shuffling their feet at the door!!

Regards alan

ps - An Ottawa event or demo would also be nice if you're listening Manu!!!

edit: 1000th reply! Shows a bit of interest building here!

edit: spelling

Phil Harris posted:

I don't think my own opinions count ... after all I'm going to say that I think it's wonderful aren't I?

Phil

I thought I was clear enough that a biased opinion would be welcome. It's not like this place is full of haters to begin with: it's a friendly forum for mostly people who already love what you're doing. 

Some specific weaknesses with what has been reported so far, however, are in the choice of speakers used for demos. Nobody - except you? - has heard an Atom on less exotic speakers than the Sopra (1 and 2), as an example. Some comments on this "mullet" (I don't even know what that did is, tbh) are not favourable ... how did you conclude that the Atom is a real winner for price and size? With the Sopras? Or with speakers those looking at an all in one in its price category are (more?) likely to own or buy?

How about the Nova and the Sopras? Any thoughts on the few less happy observations from Bristol? Room? Underpowered and floppy woofers? Your own comparative thoughts welcome!

Same goes for the cross-level analysis. I expect that only Naim staff have had a chance to hear original vs new Uniti gear head to head. Go on, tell us how amazing the sonic improvements are, why we should all be jumping up and down, how every new model offers as much "more" than its obvious peer that it would be better to compare new vs one model higher up from the old range...

Shill away, you know you want to! Or get a pal who haunts these halls less than you do and pass on the invitation to feed the curiosity of the forum  

Regards alan

ps - Resoect: I won't push again to avoid putting you on the spot if that's not where you want to be. 

alan33 posted:

I thought I was clear enough that a biased opinion would be welcome. It's not like this place is full of haters to begin with: it's a friendly forum for mostly people who already love what you're doing. 

Some specific weaknesses with what has been reported so far, however, are in the choice of speakers used for demos. Nobody - except you? - has heard an Atom on less exotic speakers than the Sopra (1 and 2), as an example. Some comments on this "mullet" (I don't even know what that did is, tbh) are not favourable ... how did you conclude that the Atom is a real winner for price and size? With the Sopras? Or with speakers those looking at an all in one in its price category are (more?) likely to own or buy?

How about the Nova and the Sopras? Any thoughts on the few less happy observations from Bristol? Room? Underpowered and floppy woofers? Your own comparative thoughts welcome!

Same goes for the cross-level analysis. I expect that only Naim staff have had a chance to hear original vs new Uniti gear head to head. Go on, tell us how amazing the sonic improvements are, why we should all be jumping up and down, how every new model offers as much "more" than its obvious peer that it would be better to compare new vs one model higher up from the old range...

Shill away, you know you want to! Or get a pal who haunts these halls less than you do and pass on the invitation to feed the curiosity of the forum  

Regards alan

ps - Resoect: I won't push again to avoid putting you on the spot if that's not where you want to be. 

Hi Alan,

I have no problem giving my opinions but they are my opinions and may not tie in with anyone elses...

The Exec Lounge at Bristol show is always a difficult one to tame due to the size, it's "offset" layout and the wall of glass taking up the whole of one side of the room however I thought that the Nova was sounding fairly decent in there as they had it set up and, if I were looking for a one box system at around the £4k mark, the Nova would definitely be on my shortlist. It does a good job of driving decent speakers and we've come into a fair bit of flak not only for using the Nova with Sopra 2's at Bristol but also for using the Atom with Sopra 1's at the Indulgence show last year as running them on Sopras has been seen by some to be giving them an unfair advantage.

My own view on running them on Sopras is that athough the Sopras are a "better" speaker than might normally be expected to be used with the Atom and Nova they are also more revealing and as such allow more of the Atom / Nova to be heard with less of it being masked by the speaker and as such I think both units gave a very credible showing given that neither were in an ideal environment (there is only so much that we can do to tame rooms in the time that we have whilst setting up and we did have numerous bass traps spread about the room there as anyone who went into the demos would have seen).

Personally the unit that "floats my boat" the most is the little Atom - from what I've heard of it then yes, it isn't as good as the Nova and I do agree with that but it kicks the outgoing Qute (a long-time personal favourite bit of Naim kit of mine) into a cocked hat.

Ultimately, any demonstration will be at the mercy of the environment and shows / events will always be correspondingly more compromised - sometimes you hit lucky and the kit you have brought "gels" with the room and sometimes no matter how hard you try then you can't get a room to sound good with the kit you have to hand and the time that you have ... shows and events can only ever be a guide to how something sounds and IMO I thought the sound that I heard in the Exec Lounge was pretty good and gave enough of an insight into what the Nova can do and whether it's worth pursuing a 'proper' demo with a dealer when it comes out or whether it's just not your cup of tea.

Cheers

Phil 

Phil - 

My thanks for taking the time to share your opinions. I appreciate your thinking and like the comment that a very revealing speaker puts the source/amp out in the open. I'm sure it is a challenge to turn a hotel bed room or exec suite into a credible listening room, but I tend to agree with you that a first impression even under difficult circumstances can paint enough of the picture for you to know whether you'd like to go back or prefer to look elsewhere.

In case you haven't been following all the gossipy bits, I'm eager to see Atom and Nova over here in Canada. I have Qute and SuperUniti and will move up and forward as and when. Perhaps our new free trade deal will take some of the trans-Atlantic sting out of the equation. Your impressions have filled in a few moments of the waiting. Plenty of us out here rooting for you guys to amaze and delight once again. Best wishes and thanks again.

Regards alan

 

Personally the unit that "floats my boat" the most is the little Atom - from what I've heard of it then yes, it isn't as good as the Nova and I do agree with that but it kicks the outgoing Qute (a long-time personal favourite bit of Naim kit of mine) into a cocked hat.

Cheers

Phil 

Thanks for sharing your opinion Phil. It has put me, some what at easy, to know that by ordering the Atom, and selling my Qute/NAP100 I've not made a big mistake. Can't wait till it's finally in my lounge!

I too am grateful for your personal opinion Phil. The Atom got my attention straight away from the moment I saw the line-up. I dont intend to spend that amount of money on a pair of speakers like the Sopras so I will have to wait until the units hit the shelves, and people's homes and reviewers' desks in order to see (hopefully) how it performs with sub£1k and sub £2k speakers. By the sounds of it I have no doubt that it will still be a little gem but I intend to apply the "patience hasn't hurt anyone" principle before spending £1.7k on the unit.

iliria posted:

I too am grateful for your personal opinion Phil. The Atom got my attention straight away from the moment I saw the line-up. I dont intend to spend that amount of money on a pair of speakers like the Sopras so I will have to wait until the units hit the shelves, and people's homes and reviewers' desks in order to see (hopefully) how it performs with sub£1k and sub £2k speakers. By the sounds of it I have no doubt that it will still be a little gem but I intend to apply the "patience hasn't hurt anyone" principle before spending £1.7k on the unit.

Absolutely!

I often get grumbled at because I don't like telling people what they should be hearing but that's because if someone is spending their own money I want them to be happy in their own mind that it's money well spent - I'm a Yorkshireman and as such I'm genetically engineered to have short arms, deep pockets and be as tight as a duck's backside and don't like telling anyone to spend money let alone spending my own without good justification.

Phil

Phil Harris posted:
alan33 posted:

I thought I was clear enough that a biased opinion would be welcome. It's not like this place is full of haters to begin with: it's a friendly forum for mostly people who already love what you're doing. 

Some specific weaknesses with what has been reported so far, however, are in the choice of speakers used for demos. Nobody - except you? - has heard an Atom on less exotic speakers than the Sopra (1 and 2), as an example. Some comments on this "mullet" (I don't even know what that did is, tbh) are not favourable ... how did you conclude that the Atom is a real winner for price and size? With the Sopras? Or with speakers those looking at an all in one in its price category are (more?) likely to own or buy?

How about the Nova and the Sopras? Any thoughts on the few less happy observations from Bristol? Room? Underpowered and floppy woofers? Your own comparative thoughts welcome!

Same goes for the cross-level analysis. I expect that only Naim staff have had a chance to hear original vs new Uniti gear head to head. Go on, tell us how amazing the sonic improvements are, why we should all be jumping up and down, how every new model offers as much "more" than its obvious peer that it would be better to compare new vs one model higher up from the old range...

Shill away, you know you want to! Or get a pal who haunts these halls less than you do and pass on the invitation to feed the curiosity of the forum  

Regards alan

ps - Resoect: I won't push again to avoid putting you on the spot if that's not where you want to be. 

Hi Alan,

I have no problem giving my opinions but they are my opinions and may not tie in with anyone elses...

The Exec Lounge at Bristol show is always a difficult one to tame due to the size, it's "offset" layout and the wall of glass taking up the whole of one side of the room however I thought that the Nova was sounding fairly decent in there as they had it set up and, if I were looking for a one box system at around the £4k mark, the Nova would definitely be on my shortlist. It does a good job of driving decent speakers and we've come into a fair bit of flak not only for using the Nova with Sopra 2's at Bristol but also for using the Atom with Sopra 1's at the Indulgence show last year as running them on Sopras has been seen by some to be giving them an unfair advantage.

My own view on running them on Sopras is that athough the Sopras are a "better" speaker than might normally be expected to be used with the Atom and Nova they are also more revealing and as such allow more of the Atom / Nova to be heard with less of it being masked by the speaker and as such I think both units gave a very credible showing given that neither were in an ideal environment (there is only so much that we can do to tame rooms in the time that we have whilst setting up and we did have numerous bass traps spread about the room there as anyone who went into the demos would have seen).

Personally the unit that "floats my boat" the most is the little Atom - from what I've heard of it then yes, it isn't as good as the Nova and I do agree with that but it kicks the outgoing Qute (a long-time personal favourite bit of Naim kit of mine) into a cocked hat.

Ultimately, any demonstration will be at the mercy of the environment and shows / events will always be correspondingly more compromised - sometimes you hit lucky and the kit you have brought "gels" with the room and sometimes no matter how hard you try then you can't get a room to sound good with the kit you have to hand and the time that you have ... shows and events can only ever be a guide to how something sounds and IMO I thought the sound that I heard in the Exec Lounge was pretty good and gave enough of an insight into what the Nova can do and whether it's worth pursuing a 'proper' demo with a dealer when it comes out or whether it's just not your cup of tea.

Cheers

Phil 

Alan,

I had several extended listening  sessions at RMAF 2016 Naim room, the Atom playing into $3k Focal Aria 926 speakers with a little kick from a $1K Focal 1000F sub. I would say this modest rig embarrassed 90% of all the 100+ rooms at RMAF. That's a bold statement considering it was also one of the lowest cost systems demo'd at RMAF. 

I also had a good listen at CES 2017 to the Nova/Focal Sopras, yes this kit is more refined, but I'm with Phil saying the center of gravity lives inside the Atom. I really feel these all-in-one components are the future of audio, with Naim setting the bar on seamless functionality, looks, & sound quality. 

While I have a Nova on the brain ... my pocketbook screams Atom!

Bill Allen posted:

I had several extended listening  sessions at RMAF 2016 Naim room, the Atom playing into $3k Focal Aria 926 speakers with a little kick from a $1K Focal 1000F sub. I would say this modest rig embarrassed 90% of all the 100+ rooms at RMAF. That's a bold statement considering it was also one of the lowest cost systems demo'd at RMAF. 

I also had a good listen at CES 2017 to the Nova/Focal Sopras, yes this kit is more refined, but I'm with Phil saying the center of gravity lives inside the Atom. I really feel these all-in-one components are the future of audio, with Naim setting the bar on seamless functionality, looks, & sound quality. 

While I have a Nova on the brain ... my pocketbook screams Atom!

I think the Atom is the unit which gives the most value for money and it is very likely that it will be the most sucessful one in the series.

My home set up currently uses Focal Chorus 716v floorstanding speakers which I hope will be good enough. I am aware that they are entry levels so I may use a 2.1 (by utilising my BK XXLS400 sub).

I am hoping that once the sub hits the review desks there will be multiple pairings with various speaker brands and models.

Hey all 

just ordered my Atom 2 weeks ago but also intended to buy a uniti core as well 

however, could anybody tell me whether the core will play music through the atom with no physical connection between one and the other, i.e. wirelessly ? 

Im asking because my hifi gear is located in a spot of the listening room and my router is at the complete opposite side (but still in the same room) 

i spotted on naim support page that the core has to be connected to the router through the Ethernet connection, but I'd like to avoid getting it sit next to my router (cable would be too long and run through all over the room) and can't move my router either 

so should I either use a cpl still have the atom connected to the network, or alternatively and once I stored all my music library within the core, can I just disconnect it from the router and sit it next to the atom. In that case, will the Atom be able to stream from the Core locally and wirelessly ?? 

Sorry if that sounds confusing but I never owned any naim server so far and has been so far streaming music through my Qute 2 from a Synology Nas so far without any need to get it physically connected to the qute which is very convenient I guess 

 

The nas is here to stay anyway and will serve for video playback on my TV, hence the need for the UC. And instead of spending more money on larger nas drive (mines are almost full now) I just think I'm better spending my money for something made on purpose for the atom. 

 any answer to my  questions above will be much appreciated  

Hungryhalibut posted:

If you are happy with the Synology you don't need a Core. Save your money. 

You might be happy but still looking for better SQ. A storing & serving S/PDIF integrated solution may now be superior to a NAS distributed network configuration. :]

Chag -

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