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Re: CDS3 + 252 based systems and standmounts

JMK ·
Thanks for the input but I would like some description of how these speakers sounded to you? what were the strong points and if possible how do they compare with other standmounts you've heard? I can't easily demo for example kudos or acoustic energy so I'd like to know more of their sound character. Neat ultimatums are also interesting but how do these compare with for example momentums?
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Foot tapper ·
I heard a pair of Neat XL6 (big brother to the XLS & XLi) when I compared them against the Audiovector Si3AA and the new B&W 803 Diamonds. The XL6 sounded much warmer than the Si3AA and possessed tremendous bass drive, dynamics & speed - remarkable for such a relatively small floorstander. The bass was fuller, richer, warmer and a touch slower than the Si3AA. I really liked them for this, as the Si3AA is a little too cool for my liking. However, the mid & treble were less...
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GraemeH ·
Originally Posted by JMK: I was wondering how many naimees here have a cds3 + 252 fronted system and use standmounted speakers - and more precisely what standmounts do you prefer and why? The reason I ask is that my room size limits my options to standmounts and the change from cdx2 + 282 fronted system somewhat changed my speaker preferences. I now use a pair of Neat momentum 3i with the s3 and 252 which I had previously discarded as sounding overly bright and having way too heavy bass for...
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JMK ·
250-2
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Edouard ·
" I was wondering how many naimees here have a cds3 + 252 fronted system and use standmounted speakers - and more precisely what standmounts do you prefer and why?" You could demo : Sonus faber Cremona Auditor M with their dedicated stands or if budget allow Sonus faber Memento Hommage. I know people with top Naim gear and those speakers. Regards, Edouard
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JMK ·
Yes, I have heard Sonus with Naim and they go nicely together. But I was hoping for some conversation of various brand and model standmounts and how their sound character suits the above electonics? In my experience so far the s3/252 seems to work better with speakes offering a more transparent and lively presentation. Proac D two seemed like natural pair also besides the Neats.
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Foot tapper ·
Hi JMK, my system is similar but not identical to yours. Room size limits bass extension in my room too. The only floorstanders that avoided bass boom in my room were Audiovector Si3AA at £7.5k and Wilson Sophia 2 at much much more. All the other usual and highly rated suspects boomed or were no more enjoyable to listen to than my Proac standmounts. The SI3AA go deep and are really fast but too lean/cold/unemotional for me. The Sophias were gorgeous sounding, everything I could ever want...
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JMK ·
That was a great review in a nutshell of speakers I too have heard or would like to hear. Your preferences seem to go well in line with mine. The more expensive sonus fabers I will have to try some time. I have also been interested in Harbeths but their size/looks are a bit of a problem in my current room. Also I'm wondering if the harbeths scale enough for higher class electronics? I've heard that they are not the most precise speaker but cannot confirm this as I've only heard harbeths with...
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Derry ·
Originally Posted by JMK: I was wondering how many naimees here have a cds3 + 252 fronted system and use standmounted speakers - and more precisely what standmounts do you prefer and why? The reason I ask is that my room size limits my options to standmounts... Room size has little to do with what speakers are appropriate. It is much more about what the characteristics of the speakers are. Standmounts take up as much space as floorstanders; some standmounts require more space around them...
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JMK ·
Standmounts generally have suitable roll off in low frequencies for small rooms which makes them less boomy. Also in my experience standmounts image better in small rooms. If the big cabinet is not needed the small one is in most cases the better option with less cabinet vibrations etc. These are just a few points why I wouldn't put floorstanders in a small room but each to their own. This thread is about standmounts so I don't want to make this a standmount vs. floorstander debate..
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Foot tapper ·
Hi JMK My dealer (whom I call Yoda) rates Harbeths very highly - it is only the appearance that vetoed them for me. My restriction to standmounts is for the same reason as you, namely that the room starts booming with speakers that go much below circa 40Hz. It's nothing to do with how much floor space they occupy. My £900 standmounts have easily revealed & rewarded every single improvement in upstream electronics, so the D two or the Harbeths (any of them) would do the same and even more...
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KenTo ·
Try the ProAc Tablette Anniversary, it is natural with great image and stage. The scale and bass is unbelievable for it's size, and it's bass is clean and tuneful, I prefer it to the D1 and D2.
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J.N. ·
Check out Kudos C10s. I have two friends with Naim kit getting great sounds out of them. One of them uses a CDS3 as his CD source. The 'Super Tens' (a substantially tweaked C10) were being demonstrated at the recent National Audio Show and sounded very special indeed. John.
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wesley ·
The new Neat Ultimatum XLS would be worth a listen............they sounded great at the Bristol show back in February and got a glowing review from Martin Colloms in the last edition of HiFi Critic.
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rackkit ·
I was really impressed with a pair of Acoustic Energy AE1 MkIII SEs on the end of a Rega Isis/Osiris combination. I know it's not a CDS3/252/250.2 but easily compare.
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Re: NAC 252 - where will it end?

Phil Harris ·
Originally Posted by Foot tapper: Oh Chris, but it does.... And it's fabulous .... And you NEED one. Resistance is futile! It had to be done...
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Re: NAC 252 - where will it end?

Former Member ·
The increase in weight of the 552 is probably due to the heavy brass plate. Originally Posted by graphoman: Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut: The 252 is the dullest of dull things from dull town. I've had two and they were both dull. The 282 and the 552 are just great, but the 252 is just...... You may like it of course! The sad thing is that the dull 252 is inevitable if you want some better than 282 but can not afford 552. I know pretty well all the three items. 282 is a lovable little...
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nickpeacock ·
Well, after ten minutes and recognising that it needs a service, I'm really thinking it's a keeper. iIt's put the vocals back to centre stage and slightly more forward than the 282. Listening to some Richard Hawley. Ahhhhhhh So far, so very happy...
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Simon-in-Suffolk ·
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nickpeacock ·
My thoughts precisely Simon. House of Cards by Radiohead (on In Rainbows) is a mighty hard test for any hi-fi. This is passing with flying colours. Bass boom has gone, but bass is right there in my gut. Signing off for now, big grin on face.
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nickpeacock ·
This amp is definitely staying. Astonishing. Playing some songs from my 'Sad Songs' playlist in honour of HH this evening...
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rackkit ·
Originally Posted by nickpeacock: This amp is definitely staying. Astonishing. Playing some songs from my 'Sad Songs' playlist in honour of HH this evening...
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Iron Cobra ·
Glad to hear the 252 is staying, had mine 9 years never regretted the passing of the 282. Definitely needs a 300 in the future to bring out it's best. Currently running in 5 metre lengths of super lumina, adds another dimension to the 252.
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Chag... ·
Originally Posted by Iron Cobra: Glad to hear the 252 is staying, had mine 9 years never regretted the passing of the 282. Definitely needs a 300 in the future to bring out it's best. Currently running in 5 metre lengths of super lumina, adds another dimension to the 252. Absolutely.The 252 may appear dull to some with its somewhat set back presentation in comparison with the more typical forward and immediate character of the brand. Give it the 300 to feed, with the rapidity of its attacks,...
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nickpeacock ·
It's definitely not dull, but the more refined presentation is very obvious compared to 282. I'm particularly impressed by the fact that the bass seems to have stopped booming, not least as I live in a flat and worry about my neighbours. Come to think of it, I've never been a real bass-head - too many years spent with Harbeth P3s in various forms. As for a 300, funds don't now and may never permit that one, but I agree that it may be the step to plan for (even if only in my dreams) -...
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Re: NAC 252 - where will it end?

Mr Happy ·
It will probably end with a 552 if that is within reach of your budget! I found the 282/supercap a very forward edgy sounding combo. I liked what it did, and when it was swapped for the 252 I was a bit disappointed for a couple of minutes as the 252 had a far less edgy sound and therefore sounded a bit dull by comparison. However, after a bit longer listen and a few more tracks it became very apparent that there was so much more going on and so much more depth and texture to the music with...
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Cdb ·
Of course one listener's dull can be another's refined. I went recently from 282/SupercapDR to 252 & I certainly preferred the latter very quickly. I look forward to hearing Nick's perspective. I do need to stop now on the preamp path - 250.2 DR is another matter & I look forward to hearing how much it might cost to upgrade. Unfortunately the amp is some years from needing recapping. clive
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Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Congrats Nick, I do hope you enjoy your 252.... Unless I missed it I can only recommend your SuperCap is a DR version... And as far as my upgrades... Well currently my system sounds unhealthily good. Unhealthy as I am now spending too much time sitting listening to my music.... I might need to downgrade or it will be the death of me..... but pleased with it nonetheless .. If a used 552 crossed my path at a good price, I suspect I would do my best to buy it.. But perhaps more out of curiosity...
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Ponty ·
Nick, I've had my 252 for about 4 years now. Certainly no desire to change it. Used with 300 and is certainly not dull, just sounds fabulous to my ears. Might swap the SC for a DR version at some point, but would audition first before blindly following this route. Some seem to prefer the non DR supercap. So my advice would be to keep your wallet closed for now and enjoy the music!!
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Ravenswood10 ·
I swapped my 282/HiCap for a new 252/Supercap DR late last year and through my NAP300s and Ovator 600s wouldn't call the 252 dull at all.....but there again I've probably just opened myself up to some Ovator hate mail!! As we all know at the end of the day it's what works for you in your own listening environment...enjoy.
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count.d ·
I don't know why anyone still falls for this halibut fella. He has many issues, hence sold all his equipment.
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nickpeacock ·
Thanks Simon, yes the Supercap is DR. I will prob get the 250 DR'd next year. 552 is well beyond my finances - I could only contemplate this 252 as it was so well priced, even taking a service into account. I benefited from a strong pound as against the euro. I would like to think my amps will now see me out...
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Zeny ·
Is the 252 up and running already?
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nickpeacock ·
No Zeny, it's still en route (and then needs a service I think). It's a 2003 model...
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The Strat (Fender) ·
Federer or Nadal - Messi or Ronaldo - 252 or 282?
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Bert Schurink ·
Originally Posted by The Strat (Fender): Federer or Nadal - Messi or Ronaldo - 252 or 282? Federer, Messi and 252.....
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MDS ·
On the similiar theme but for older footie fans (and Kevin-W might appreciate this one): Bobby Moore (252) v Julian Dicks (282)? M
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Chris Dolan ·
I'd have thought Julian Dicks was closer to a 92
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mikapoh ·
Quoted from Richard Dane: "The NAC282 is superb value. Yes, a NAC252 and NAC552 are a bit better (quite a bit better in the case of the 552), but this is where the law of diminishing returns really starts to kick in. Between a NAC202 and Supercap or a NAC282 and Hicap, I'd be inclined towards the latter. One of the things I have learned with Naim is that additional PSUs will take you further but never beyond the next big step - in this case the 282. Seriously, if I didn't have the 552 at...
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Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Mikapoh, indeed, you don't miss what you don't know
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count.d ·
Funny how opinions differ. I think the 282 is Naim's worst value product and 250.2 the best. A 252/250.2 is a complete and very satisfying system. Anything more is a bonus. 282/250.2, there's a serious lack of something serious.
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graphoman ·
Overall judgment of 252 depends on where you make it. Here, where we all would want to like it or in other topics of the 552 fraternity where you will be warned for 252, they say you better jump it over and stick to 282 or go for 552 immediately. NB. I have read all those topics before I chose the compromising 252 and found any remarks true.
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Zeny ·
Naim's worst product is the NAPSC.
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Michael_B. ·
I think it depends on the music/instruments you favour as much as anything. The 282 can capture the timbre of cello bass more faithfully than a 252, while the latter can capture the timbre of piano treble more faithfully. Overall I prefer the pace of the 282, but it's very much a swings and roundabouts situation. The 252, for example, is better at the detail of electronica. And so it goes on....
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graphoman ·
Originally Posted by count.d: Funny how opinions differ. I think the 282 is Naim's worst value product and 250.2 the best. A 252/250.2 is a complete and very satisfying system. Anything more is a bonus. 282/250.2, there's a serious lack of something serious. Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Monty Python 5.3). Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. (Monty Python 5.6)
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Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Detail in electronica ??? electronica for me is hooks, grooves and rhythms... Subtlety is not usually what Ibwould associate with that genre Simon
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Chag... ·
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk: I just wonder if it's to do how it's set up and speaker balance. I can't stand dull presentations, hence why I choose the 252 after a moderately lengthy home demo of a 2012 model that had just returned from Naim. I also use the very neutral and revealing ATC SCM speakers.. To me the 282 and 252 both have a more forward than neutral presentation (and even the 552 for that matter), but the 252 gives up some of the 282 exuberance and highlighting and in...
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MDS ·
Hmm. Maybe I should give the 252 another try. It's been a couple of years since I had one on home demo and although I enjoyed aspects of its performance I wasn't wholly convinced. Since then my system has moved on (555PS on nDac, Powerlines, improvement to the rack) so maybe the 252's virtues would be more evident now. Food for thought. Mike
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nickpeacock ·
Actually you know Simon, you (or the keeper of the family purse) should be getting worried - every time I catch you up on amps, you seem to jump ahead again...!
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Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Nick, no plans to change currently. Family purse has other priorities, but perhaps you better send that 252 back....
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