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Re: Planning for 2012 and beyond

trickydickie ·
If you're in sonic heaven then I'd buy more music if I were you. It's so easy to bugger things up, just when you have things working really well. I have a similar system, same amp, Spendors at the rear and unmodded Sonos into an NDX. I'd certainly recommend the NDX as a good upgrade. Richard
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Vaughn3D ·
Perhaps the c7es3...
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Mark J ·
Nice avatar... Wedding Present?
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Former Member ·
> 1. Upgrade my Atlas Compass digital coax interconnect (from Sonos ZP 90 to MDAC) to a DC1. I'd go for a Wireworld Supernova, but then I prefer Optical to Coax. ... speaking of folk, Kate Rusby's two Christmas albums are nothing short of superb Every sane person loves lisatening to Kate Rusby Also recommend Christmas albums by Loreena McKennitt, Mary Chapin Carpenter and Blackmore's Night Perhaps don't worry about the upgrades and just get some more great albums and enjoy Merry...
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nickpeacock ·
Well spotted, Mark J, it is indeed! Thanks Guido (as ever) - will check out your Christmas suggestions as well.
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Kendrick ·
I highly recommend replacing the standard Sonos power cord with the Furutech G-320AG-XXXX (US and European configurations). In my modest system (Sonos-unmodded > Rega Dac > Naim Nait XS > Totem Rainmaker), the cable made a significant improvement without any noticeable tradeoffs. I hear greater clarity and a more dynamic sound, approaching what one would expect of a component upgrade. For only $140 US, the cable is a great value, too. You can read a brief review in What HI-Fi. PS...
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Re: Impact of powerline

Christopher_M ·
Can you borrow two or three from your dealer? Failing that there's some info here: https://www.naimaudio.com/product/power-line-0 I have the feeling that this has to be experienced rather than theorised about. Enjoy your music. Chris
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yeti42 ·
It's just a piece of wire but the plugs decouple vibration, there was probably some listening gone into selecting the wire too. If you have the Oppo and PC plugged into the same wall socket as the Naim stuff you'll probably hear no effect from a powerline as the SMPSs will be messing thing up somewhat, also if you haven't got the system on a suitable rack, controlling vibration coming in through the power sockets might be insignificant. With a system on a Fraim Lite and a dedicated radial...
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Jan-Erik Nordoen ·
It helps to remember that we are dealing with alternating current, where electrons are jostling each other back and forth, with no net movement. What they are doing is transferring an energy wave. From the perspective of the audio transformer, the power cable is the first thing it sees in the electrical circuit and thus the one that has the most effect on the transfer of energy.
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forBarry ·
Power cables are an interesting phenomena. Several times now I've sat down to listen to different power cables thinking "it really CAN'T make much difference. I must have imagined it last time. I wonder if I'll hear any difference at all...." And yet each time I would say the difference has been both obvious and quite fundamental. I'm not sure anyone REALLY has a full scientific grasp yet of why this should be so. But I am sure that it IS so. But, for everyone, the proof of the pudding must...
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catalinmetal ·
also, it's worth noted that the powerchord is not at the end of the power net, but in the middle of it. just as Jan wrote, the power chord is the first circuit of the amp, and not the last cable of the net... please see the effect of a very good power chord - albeit non-Naim - in my topic "PS audio AC-12 with 200DR". it is a very visible effect.
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sharik ·
still odd how the Powerline while being all about decoupling is fitted with a third party no-decoupling Schuko plug for sales in Europe.
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Jude2012 ·
For info, this thread has my experience of using the Powerline (which I still do) - https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...97#31273966719193797 HTH Jude
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thijazi ·
Very interesting feedback, thanks all for posting. I don't want to sound daft here, but I still can't see the logic of the PL.. The way I understand it, the SuperCap in my system takes care of all the electrical current issues, regardless how dirty and stabilizes it, driving it out to the boxes in a much cleaner/stable state... The PL also does not do any power conditioning, just conducts the current to the SuperCap... Why would the SuperCap benefit from a PL feeding? Maybe the bit about the...
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Re: Impact of powerline

thijazi ·
Today I have the PC and the Naim boxes (4 Naim leads for the DAC-V1, NAP250, SuperCAP and NAPSC) as well as the Oppo on one high quality power strip.. I will try removing the Oppo and the PC and having those sit on a separate power strip (on a different wall socket) to see if that helps... I cannot have the naim gear connected directly to wall sockets as I only have 2 sockets in the room.
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hungryhalibut ·
That's a very good idea. You don't want anything with SMPS power supplies plugged into the same socket as your Naim boxes. Ideally you want a dedicated mains feed for the Naim. It makes more difference than a Powerline and costs less too.
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thijazi ·
You mean one mains feed (power strip) for the Naim boxes and another power strip for the remaining components? If so, that is easy to arrange and I will test it out over the weekend... Any recommended power strips in mind?
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hungryhalibut ·
I would put the PC and oppo on a completely different wall socket if I were you.
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thijazi ·
Will try that next weekend for sure...
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Steve J ·
I would invest in a 'clean' dedicated supply to your hifi first. You'll then reap the benefits of having your 'dirty' SMPSs on the house circuit. It makes a big difference from my experience and you'll probably gain more than introducing a PL first. You can always buy one later. The cost of a dedicated supply should cost no more than a PL. Good luck Steve
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Christopher_M ·
Why the rush?! ;-) C.
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thijazi ·
By "dedicated" do you mean a dedicated line (from circuit board all the way to the socket)? or do you mean put the naim stuff on their own power strip/extension-chord? excuse my English, it isn't my native language ..
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hungryhalibut ·
Yes, a dedicated line from the circuit board. Ideally you have a completely separate board just for the Hifi.
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Steve J ·
Ideally not from the home CSU but a separate line taken from the main supply tails before the home CSU having it's own circuit board. Having a line from the home circuit board is a waste of time IME, you still have loads of interference from computers, fridges, hairdryers etc.
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hungryhalibut ·
When I had my separate consumer unit installed many years ago, its earth was connected in to the original unit. When we recently had a new unit for the house, I got the electrician to split the earth as well, which seems to have made a further improvement. Getting the mains right is definitely the first thing to do, before worrying about Powerlines.
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Steve J ·
Yes HH, having a separate ground earth is better. Mine is in my garden near the hosepipe so the ground around the copper spike can be kept moist during dry spells. Some, like a certain person who recently left the forum, used to have a more novel way of damping the ground.
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hungryhalibut ·
Spacious grounds mean one can wee without being overlooked. It works on compost heaps too.
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Former Member ·
I'm interested - not in weeing without being overlooked, but in having a dedicated line; are there any specific requirements (cable thickness, etc.)?
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hungryhalibut ·
Split the meter tails, separate consumer unit, 10mm2 cable to unswitched sockets. That's it in a nutshell.
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Former Member ·
Thanks!
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hungryhalibut ·
De rien.
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Steve J ·
Don't forget the qualified electrician to do the job.
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joerand ·
If you're a competent DIY'er you could always save a few bucks by doing it yourself. Just make sure you're in compliance with your local codes. Might have enough left over for another upgrade, a few powerlines, or increased coverage on your home owners insurance.
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Richard Dane ·
...or a more lavish funeral? Realising that humour doesn't translate so well online, for anyone in any doubt, please take Joe's post above in the spirit in which it was meant. Don't "DIY" with mains electrics please.
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feeling_zen ·
PowerLines made a great difference. But there are things I would do first, such as a HiLine and making sure the kit is of a level where the cost of a PL more reasonable than a box upgrade. I would not stick one on a Flatcap for example.
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Re: SL Cables or NAP 250DR

Adam Zielinski ·
And I would start with Super Lumina - the effect is.... well.. illuminating.
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antony d ·
would agree with GraemeH on the above - 282/HCDR/200 really works - but 250DR another step up
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Re: SL Cables or NAP 250DR

sheffieldgraham ·
Agreed. However I don't think the SL speaker cable will disappoint (my latest purchase) over the NACA5. I'm not sure how well the plugs on them integrate with the S400's. Maybe someone else could advise.
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cat345 ·
IMHO, a cable change should not have precedence over any component upgrade.
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sheffieldgraham ·
Any reason why? The SL speaker upgrade from NACA5 has been the equal of many of my component upgrades.
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Adam Zielinski ·
The plugs on SuperLumina fit very well into the Ovators S-400.
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cat345 ·
I believe what you say Graham but on the other hand you already possess some of the best Naim components. Although I have no significant experience with the best of what Naim has to offer I still think that going from Nap300 to Nap500 would make way more difference than a SL speaker cable upgrade.
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Re: SL Cables or NAP 250DR

CharlieP ·
This sounds like a good plan. In response to OP, Kevin can start with the 250DR first. Enjoying that for a while gives you time to think about the N272. When the N272 is in place and the rest is sold, voila, you have the SL cables as well. I confess I have not added up all the numbers on cost. Kevin, do you have a dealer who would allow return of the N272 if you were not pleased with the sound? Charlie
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sheffieldgraham ·
In this case I wouldn't disagree, although I have no experience of it. I was just a little puzzled by your statement, which seemed to imply all component upgrades should take precedence. I must say it's only after auditioning the SL speaker cable that I hold this view.
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Richieroo ·
I have the 272 250 combo and it is great....so definantly think this is the way to go.... my 250 is being dr modded. ...can't wait to get it back!
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Kevin Richardson ·
I did recently buy a Dremel 4000. So many possibilities.
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ChrisSU ·
The 272 is excellent for the money, but it's not not going to sound better than your NDX, although it would be a good cure for upgradeitis, especially as you couldn't use it with your DAC - which you could then sell to fund an XPS!! If you're considering a 282, you might need to make sure you have a plan for connecting your sub, as you would no longer have the sub-out that your Supernait has. You might be better off if you can run them high level from your speaker terminals (maybe you...
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Jan-Erik Nordoen ·
A lot of truth in that. After 30 years of spending much of my disposable income on audio gear, I'm now - in retirement - finding that that same money goes a lot further when spent on woodworking equipment. For the cost of a 272/250 combo, I can equip a shop to a very high standard. The upgrade bug is still there, but costs a whole lot less to feed than in audio. For instance, the Dewalt DWS 780 double bevel compound miter saw will set you back about $800... peanuts in audioland.
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Adam Zielinski ·
Does it cut better with a PowerLine upgrade? Can you notice a much better engine note with an external PowerSupply?
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Richieroo ·
Defo NAP250DR .......... can't comment on speaker cables....but I have heard very positive reports SL Cables...
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