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Use Supernait in surround sound

ajay1223 ·
How can a Supernait be used with a Yamaha AX1 to drive the main speakers during a movie
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Will a PowerLine benefit my SuperUniti?

Dr_J ·
Hi All, I have an SU currently (excuse the pun) connected with the standard mains lead to an Isotek Mini Sub II, connected to an original domestic ac spur with Isotek's mains cable of equal vintage. Would connecting the SU to the Mini Sub , or directly to the mains, using a Naim PowerLine offer any real/significant benefit? Thanks. KR, J
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Re: Use Supernait in surround sound

Maxi Me ·
Front pre-out from AX1 to the AV input of Supernait.
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ajay1223 ·
Thank you, wouldn't it be main out ? Also does this turn off the sub out on the supernait ?
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Maxi Me ·
Looking at the back panel picture on google, there are a couple of outputs that probably do the job. Doubt it turns sub-out off from Supernait, that will just be taking signal from AV input and amplifying out through whatever it normally has attached. If your sub is attached via more than one amplifier, then you will need to be careful.
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ajay1223 ·
I have successfully got the supernait to work in AV mode, you must use the remote, the sub out is turned off, the REL can handle the LFE and HI-LO phono as they are different plugs and it is designed to handle them, only one will be used at a time anyway, thank you again
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Re: Non surge protected/conditioned mains blocks - North America

Guy007 ·
varyat, just its up high, but not offset currently due to some space issues... but it's in the works for the future.
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Bart ·
I can imagine that getting the PDC off the floor would be an advantage. Mine sits on the floor, behind my Fraim. It's a mess of cables back there But at least the mess is hidden behind the Fraim.
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varyat ·
Bart, Freeing up cables that are bunched up may free up the sound as well- worth an hour of time imho. ATB, Mark
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Bart ·
Originally Posted by varyat: Bart, Freeing up cables that are bunched up may free up the sound as well- worth an hour of time imho. ATB, Mark Mark Ive thought about it, and viewed photos of others' cable dressing, but I honestly can't see many options. I've got between my 5 boxes about 11 interconnects of one sort or another, plus 5 power cables, plus speaker cables, plus the subwoofer interconnect, all coming out the back of a 5-shelf Fraim. I can't see many options for them not to overlie...
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Guy007 ·
Well after discussions with many different folks, some soul searching and finding the money, I ended up buying the PDC. I am very happy with it and it's still early days with it in the system and it gives me room to expand, should the good wife allow that in the future... Thanks again for the pointers.
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varyat ·
Good choice Guy - it made a significant improvement in my room. If you can, place it above and on the right of your stack ( mine is on a wall shelf). This makes cable management a bit easier as it takes all the power cords and raises them off the floor and away from your Snaics,etc. ATB, Mark
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Guy007 ·
Well I have had good feedback from all suppliers, and well now I have even more questions and thoughts to process. Other than cost, it appears there are more issues to consider - Differences in the gauge of electrical connections used in the bars – 10, 12 or 14 - To IEC or hard wire the bar - To IEC on the end or the top - To Wattgate or not - Upgrading of the duplex outlet the power bar goes into - To cryo or not to cryo - To wood block isolate or not It also appears the Canadian...
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Skip ·
I have a TG Audio Bybeesucker with two Bybee Modules. I plug my digital gear into the Bybee modules, my other gear into the other outlets, and my amp into the dedicted circuit in the wall. This is a carryover unit from my tube system from my friend the late great Bob Crump. These are not available any more and probably violate every Naim commandment, but they sound good at my house. I will have to look at the newer solutions from Chris West.
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Guy007 ·
The BIS look interesting, a Canadian brand, seems to be primarily available in Quebec, I'll send them an email, but it does look like they are getting into the Audience price range. :-( I've also sent Chris an email so we'll see how things go there. Thanks again all, and Bart, what it will come down to is 'Champagne taste, with a beer budget'...
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hastings ·
Just for clarity I think the cablepro and the wiremold are two different things, the former costing approx 350 and the latter only 100. Hearsay is that the cablepro is better.
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JRHardee ·
I started with the Wiremold, moved to the CablePro, and now have the Audience PDC6. The CablePro was miles ahead of the Wiremold. In my system, with a 250 rather than a 500, new instruments were showing up where none had been before, there was more space between instruments--an amazing upgrade. I got the the PDC6 after buying the 500. Everything swings and flows better with the PDC6, but it wasn't the epiphany that the CablePro was over the Wiremold. In terms of bang for the buck, I think...
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JRHardee ·
Also FWIW, if you have upgraded your power cords to TibiaPluses, AVOptions will cryo treat them for a very reasonable price. Expect at least three weeks door to door.
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Zipperheadbanjo ·
I use a Totem Urth power block (no conditioning) with 4 outlets that is plugged into an Audience aR2p Power Conditioner. The Audience plugs directly into a wall outlet, and has 2 outlets on it... so the Totem is plugged into the Audience. This essentially gives me 5 outlets (sufficient..... for now). The Audience piece is recommended for Naim gear by my local Naim dealers. I live in Southern Ontario... lots of electrical storms here in the spring/summer.... I'm not willing to roll the dice...
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joerand ·
I use the CablePro NANA powerstrip with captive power cord. Versus using multiple household outlets, it provides a blacker background with no other noticeable effects on sound quality No surge protection, though.
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DavidDever ·
If you have a Wii U, for example, the weedy little 4.9v (?) switching supply can be replaced with a third-party linear supply, which will clean things up a bit, should it be the case that you cannot move your non-audio devices to a separate spur....
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Frank Abela ·
Guy, Anything with a switched mode power supply can dump noise onto the mains which is picked up by the Naim equipment reducing its dynamic range. Typical devices that use switched modes are: Bluray players, modern TVs, computers, game consoles, PVRs. If you have many such devices, then it's best to place them on the surge protected, mains conditioned block, leaving the Naim equipment on the 'free' block. Regards, Frank. All opinions are my own and do not reflect the opinion of any...
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Huge ·
Originally Posted by Guy007: I have read on the forum using a surge protected/conditioned mains block is bad for a Naim equipment, so no problems there. ... Additionally, are there any devices known to be a problem when plugged into the same mains block ? i.e. think I have read on this forum - a Wii was an issue, as was a non metal ethernet Hub switch Unfortunately, whilst those are the simple guidelines, it's not quite that simple. Here's a bit more... Principles : VDR type surge protectors...
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Paul B ·
The least expensive that was originally NANA recommended for North America was Wiremold. It has 9 outlets, no switches, no filtering and an attached power cable. Works fine (I have one). Should be around $100 I would think (it used to be IIRC). Others are much more pricey up to $1500+. Unless your system is maxed out at the 500 level or close to it, I wouldn't spend such money there first.
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Bart ·
The "Cadillac" of such products may be the Audience Adept Response mains blocks, such as the AR6 PDC. They are available here in the States from, among others, the folks that receive high accolades for their service of Naim gear. Feel free to email me for more info if that's not enough. They do appear from time to time on the site that specializes in people selling used hi fi gear, as well.
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Zipperheadbanjo ·
Originally Posted by Bart: The "Cadillac" of such products may be the Audience Adept Response mains blocks, such as the AR6 PDC. They are available here in the States from, among others, the folks that receive high accolades for their service of Naim gear. Feel free to email me for more info if that's not enough. They do appear from time to time on the site that specializes in people selling used hi fi gear, as well. That is what I have... an Audience Adept Response unit... however mine only...
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Bart ·
Originally Posted by Zipperheadbanjo: Originally Posted by Bart: The "Cadillac" of such products may be the Audience Adept Response mains blocks, such as the AR6 PDC. They are available here in the States from, among others, the folks that receive high accolades for their service of Naim gear. Feel free to email me for more info if that's not enough. They do appear from time to time on the site that specializes in people selling used hi fi gear, as well. That is what I have... an Audience...
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MangoMonkey ·
The cable pro nana was recommended for the longest time before it fell out if favor.
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mlauner ·
I have the cable pro and wiremold on different Naim systems and both sound good. Very little difference between them.
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Kendrick ·
+1 for Audience AR6 PDC. This is a non-conditioning distribution center specifically designed by Naim USA and Audience. The Cable Pro power strip was okay in my system and provided the needed functionality. But the PDC sounds quite a bit better, IMO, with much blacker background and greater dynamic range. As Bart said, it's the Cadillac of such products. Audience said they would sell direct with right of return if I wasn't pleased but I ended up purchasing from AV Options. The PDC was...
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DavidDever ·
Originally Posted by MangoMonkey: The cable pro nana was recommended for the longest time before it fell out if favor. There was some variability in sound quality that was (if I recall correctly) traced back to a manufacturing change in the duplex outlets used. I'm not sure what the current "special flavor" is; in general, however, you tend to get more with the CablePro products as you spend less money. AV Options is definitely the way to go, if you're looking for a purist AC mains...
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Stoik ·
A few years back, I used a Hammond powerbar from their 1584 series. Made into an aluminium case, with the same heavy duty hospital grade Hubbell receptacles that you could get for your kitchen outlets, no lighted switch, just a single 15A breaker. Available with 4, 6 or 8 outlets and 6' or 12' AC cord for 120$ or less. I now use a BIS Audio Power BIS powerbar with an AC20 power cord. I would suggest you to plug about everything audio related into the bar, but the power amp. Use the second...
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Loki ·
Russ Andrews do a great selection of RFI reducing, non-interacting mains products which, I believe, may be specified for US mains. The Mega Clamp Ultra transformed my system, in a good way
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Guy007 ·
Wow, that was a lot of information to go through, thank you all for your feedback. I feel certainly schooled in Electrics now. I have the 'i' Series, so I want to spend enough on power to get the best out of it, but not so much that I could have paid for an upgrade to an XS series. Votes for : Totem Urth power block - Zipperheadbanjo Hammond Powerbar 1584 - Stoik BIS Audio Power BIS powerbar - Stoik Mega Clamp Ultra - Loki Audience aR2p/ar6 Power Conditioner - Zipperheadbanjo, Bart, Kendrick...
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Jan-Erik Nordoen ·
Originally Posted by Stoik: I now use a BIS Audio Power BIS powerbar with an AC20 power cord. Same here. I"m using the BIS Power Bar in two systems, and it really makes a difference. Not so well known, but the performance is well beyond the price. Jan
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Jay Coleman ·
Talk to Chris West at AV Options. They also sell the Wiremold, which is what you are looking for.
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Zipperheadbanjo ·
The 2 socket Audience Adept Response sells for around $750 CDN.
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Bart ·
Originally Posted by DavidDever: AV Options is definitely the way to go, if you're looking for a purist AC mains distribution block for Naim equipment–they have a seriously tricked-out AC distribution setup upon which they listen-test all of the equipment that passes through, and are therefore able to test / evaluate Audience / Wiremold / CablePro comparisons with a high degree of reliability. The box for my Audience unit bears Chris West's initials -- not because he thought he'd autograph...
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Re: Ferrites/cable advice

james n ·
I wouldn't bother with sticking ferrite cores on the mains cables. Just make sure the mains cables hang freely and are kept away from any signal cables. With the system switched off, just plug and unplug the mains plugs and IEC connectors in and out a few times to clean them and you'll be sorted.
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Mike-B ·
I'm a great ferrite fan, but I very much doubt you will hear any difference on a Qute2 & amp supply - not that it will do any harm - the clamp on types are ideal if you can't resist the temptation. If you have SMPS(s) then a ferrite or two will held suppress RFI, but they need to be fitted on the SMPS supply to prevent them feeding back into the mains. Rather than a ring ferrite - which are really not suitable for a 3 core mains cable - why not make your own mains cables to the right...
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DC71 ·
Thanks James & Mike for the quick replies. So I'll just treat it as a tidying job. I thought of making power cables to the right length and this seems the best way to go. I don't want to cut the original Naim cables so is there a good basic alternative cable type I should look for off a reel, or is it just a matter of getting the right gauge and then fitting a good quality plug? It's English 3pin outlets here in Singapore.
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feeling_zen ·
I recently had some very bad experience with ferrites. Don't take my experience as gospel but as a warning that there is more to it. I took the advice of some very respected members but it just didn't work out for me. I had recently posted that I was having some terrible RF issues. The use of ferrites as a possible way to mitigate this came up but I held off until I located the source of the RFI and removed it. Then I thought about adding ferrites for good measure and purchased a bunch of...
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40 below ·
Hi DC1 My limited trials of ferrites on individual naim audio power supplies has provided musically 'strange' results; eg on the DAC or XPSDR - eg increased apparent definition which could be initially beguiling, but also with a 'flangy' effect and undermined solidity and whole ness. My advice is to trial carefully. However I recently taped two large 42mm ferrites across my flat 'cooker cable' mains spur just prior to the eqpt socket which virtually eliminated a hardness traceable to the...
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Huge ·
It does depend on your environment. If you have a real RFI problem (i.e. significant electrical or radiated EM noise pollution) in the frequency band 0.5-500MHz they will almost certainly be beneficial. If not they won't give you any advantage. In most cases they won't cause a problem where there's no RFI present. However there is always the case where a small amount of RFI alters the 'balance' of the system in a favourable direction; reducing this will be perceived as detrimental. Their use...
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Huge ·
Feeling_Zen, Some of your information is incorrect, ferrites don't affect resistance at all, they only affect inductance, and then only in their stop bands. Also, did you try using just some of the ferrites rather than putting them all on at the same time? You may have found them beneficial in some positions, less beneficial in others, and the detrimental effect may have been caused by only a few of them. You are particularly right about the case where there is an issue with a specific cause...
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feeling_zen ·
@Huge, I have a feeling, giving that they cost next to nothing, the postage would be worth more than the ferrites are worth even in the UK. Otherwise you would be welcome to them. Though after reading your post, I may give them a try on the non earthed mains cables of other appliances. I did indeed put them all on together and this was already after the specific RFI problem I was resolved. Notice the one place I did not put them was on the HiLine since I did not have one that made a nice fit...
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Mulberry ·
Hi Huge, yes ferrites do not increase resistance, but they increase impedance at higher frequencies. Many people seem to think that these two are the same thing, which is not true. Maybe one of Zen's sources got this wrong as well.
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Huge ·
Hi Feeling_Zen, I think trying them on two core mains cables and on the DC cord of SMPSs is a good idea; and yes I really agree on the high line, for both reasons. You're also absolutely right about the laws of physics, there's no ambiguity. Unfortunately some people don't rigorously distinguish impedance from resistance (presumably because they're both specified in Ohms). On the specific points Use on an earthed mains cable will be unpredictable, there is a one type of RFI where it may be...
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feeling_zen ·
@Huge, Always a pleasure to read your input. I may go back and give myself some homework this weekend to try differing configurations. Am starting to thing ferrites in the SNAICs might have also been wrong since I believe they carry an earth pin but need to check that again.
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Huge ·
You know what, that's a very good point, I think you may well be right on that. SNAICs carry DC power, the signal and the zero volts line, but they are quite sensitive to disturbance affecting the performance and stability of the amplifiers - hence the talk of 3rd party SNAICs being banned on these forums. I think ferrites may very well be a bad idea on SNAICs. I'm also going try removing some of the ferrites I have (the ones I put on earlier and haven't subsequently tested individually),...
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