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Re: Best Interconnect: nDAC/555DR/SC/252 to ATC SCM50 Actives?

adventureunit1 ·
Dear Mike and Tony, It was a great suggestion. Thanks! It's been two weeks since the kind and professional souls at Redco shipped me two sets of 10foot Mogami 2549 cables with Nutrik XLR connectors, and my local dealer added the Naim DIN plug. One set to the ATC SCM50 Active's and one set to the Audio Physics Luna Subs. I've let the NAT01 play 24/7 between listening sessions. A little over 2 weeks now. Improvement is steady, the top end improvement I was looking for is there, I am looking...
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Re: Best Interconnect: nDAC/555DR/SC/252 to ATC SCM50 Actives?

Dave J ·
You've spent a ton of cash to get where you are now, right? If you harbour any real thoughts of improving the sound, don't waste time speculating on what a potentially better set of cables might or might not achieve. I'm very much in the "have a go" camp. As I've written about many times here already, I reckon Sarum Tuned ARAY offer outstanding value for money but they are certainly not cheap. My advice would be to try several of the options available to you and then decide whether the price...
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Re: Best Interconnect: nDAC/555DR/SC/252 to ATC SCM50 Actives?

adventureunit1 ·
Originally Posted by Briz Vegas: I only have an NDAC and XPS2 but its attached to my non Naim amp via a Nordost Valhalla. It's very good. It's also very expensive. Of course if you want the best go for the Odin. Originally Posted by Mike-B: ...Top end clarity and sparkle are not the sole preserve of the high end. Signal integrity is predominately maintained by a combination of cable capacitance, output impedance (your case 552) & insulation type. Your 522 has an output impedance of...
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Re: Best Interconnect: nDAC/555DR/SC/252 to ATC SCM50 Actives?

Mike-B ·
Originally Posted by adventureunit1: However, Mike-B, thanks very much for the voice of reason. I see you use Mogami wire mostly for your customs. If you can suggest appropriate spec it may be a satisfying project to explore this option, especially if they show a higher roll-off. Hi again au1 I use Mogami 2549 thru-out my system simply because I used it as a preference in stage work. It has an excellent reputation in the audio industry & is the preferred cable of choice in many recording...
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Re: Best Interconnect: nDAC/555DR/SC/252 to ATC SCM50 Actives?

tonym ·
I agree Mike, the Mogami 2549's quite excellent.
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Re: Best Interconnect: nDAC/555DR/SC/252 to ATC SCM50 Actives?

adventureunit1 ·
Originally Posted by Mike-B: Originally Posted by adventureunit1: However, Mike-B, thanks very much for the voice of reason. I see you use Mogami wire mostly for your customs. If you can suggest appropriate spec it may be a satisfying project to explore this option, especially if they show a higher roll-off. ...The final choice was 2549 principally for its lowest possible capacitance & also that it suited all my individual IC design plans in one cable type. Finally as you are US based, I...
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Re: Best Interconnect: nDAC/555DR/SC/252 to ATC SCM50 Actives?

Briz Vegas ·
I only have an NDAC and XPS2 but its attached to my non Naim amp via a Nordost Valhalla. It's very good. It's also very expensive. Of course if you want the best go for the Odin.
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Re: Best Interconnect: nDAC/555DR/SC/252 to ATC SCM50 Actives?

Mike-B ·
Hi au1, welcome to the forum I have not had experience of active speakers in a hifi set up, but have over quiet a long period in the past with band & stage equipment. These cables were also far longer than even yer average hifi IC, 2m would be a patch cord. You have an interesting high end set up & obviously are looking to get the maximum from it. My question is about your aspirations, you seem to be focused on the high end, Chord TA & Audience AU24, & I am asking why &...
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Best Interconnect: nDAC/555DR/SC/252 to ATC SCM50 Actives?

adventureunit1 ·
First post here for me, lads. Bear with, pls... When I purchased some lovely ATC SCM50 active speakers my nice dealer provided a set on longish DIN4 to XLR interconnects. I was thrilled with the sound, but always felt I should expect a bit more...
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Naim for ATC

messmitha ·
Hello Naim Users, I'm new here and I don't own a Naim (yet). I'm looking around for the amp to pair with ATC SCM 19 speakers. My conclusion so far after auditioning few amps is that Naim is working just fine with my ATC's. I had a...
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Re: Naim for ATC

Jim Waugh ·
I'd go with the Naim Supernait 2, if affordable. I have the ACT SC19' and drive them with a variety of amps including a Naim Nait XS. They do like power but not nearly as much as the ATC professional monitors. Jim
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Re: Naim for ATC

Former Member ·
the new Nait XS 2 has 70 watts output, about the same as NAP 200. I would go for it.... of course pre power is another level, but the Nait XS are very good. But if you can afford it, of course it should be supernait 2. Many people here have stopped at supernait 1 level and are very happy.
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Re: Naim for ATC

Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Hi, I run ATC SCM 19s with my Naim. I don't think the NaitXS is a natural partner, they tend to result in a soft somewhat loose sound on the 19s. The NAP 200 worked well, but the NAP250.2 really takes the SCM19s by the scruff of the neck and provides a truly compelling insightful mid with deep, tight tuneful base. You can also really see the ATC driver cones flexing their stuff. The 250.2 does need a good preamp to sound right, the 282 being a minimum. I am afraid it's not cheap, but will...
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Re: Naim for ATC

AndyL ·
dont ask this lot where do you stop :-)
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james n ·
Just out of interest, what did you audition the ATCs with in the first place to choose these to build a system around ? James
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Re: Naim for ATC

hafler3o ·
If you've read Simon-in suffolk's post the silver lining is that you won't need to change your speakers for a long while.. maybe try and scour interweb for a Naim ex-dem pre/power combo, or use ATCs own amp!
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Re: Naim for ATC

messmitha ·
Thanks for the replies!!! I've become very interested in ATC's 2 years ago when I first listened to them at the dealer's (40's and 11's) with Naim Pre/Power Combo I believe. Then back one year ago I had a chance to purchase SCM 19 after auditioning at my home. Back then I had Arcam A28 and even with that amplifier I decided to go for them cause I knew they are worthy... Since then I'm looking for some alternative but as I said - XS-2 is the top of my current budget and anything above...
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Re: Naim for ATC

Former Member ·
Originally Posted by messmitha: Hello Naim Users, I'm new here and I don't own a Naim (yet). I'm looking around for the amp to pair with ATC SCM 19 speakers. My conclusion so far after auditioning few amps is that Naim is working just fine with my ATC's. I had a chance to compare 5si and XS-2. 5si is not what I'm looking for, so now I'm close to purchasing the XS-2. But there's still a thought in my head that it could sound even better... Now the question that I'd like to ask is whether I...
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Re: Naim for ATC

Andrew Porter ·
I'm using the 19's with an Olive 250, brilliant match for me! Real step up from the 11's.
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Re: Naim for ATC

messmitha ·
What about the original Supernait? I can get one for the price of the new XS-2. 4 years old, first owner. What do you think of the Supernait's DAC? Could I make use of that and say goodbye to Audiolab's M-DAC? How do they compare?
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Re: Naim for ATC

Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Hi I think Hafler3o's advice makes sense. Go used Naim with a 250.2 / 250 or similar or use ATCs own amplification with Naim sources. However the Naim sound I find emanates more from the amps/pres rather than sources, so if you like the Naim style.. and it is distinctive.. Then perhaps a more powerful used Naim amp and pre is the way to go. I was never impressed with the SuperNait, but haven't heard the newer model. Remember the ATC's top virtue and vice is that it is ruthlessly transparent...
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Re: Naim for ATC

messmitha ·
Thank you once again, it's great to see such helpful responses from the Naim Community, that makes the Naim brand look even better in my eyes : ) Coming back to the topic, I agree that your advice is a good one Simon-in-Suffolk. The thing is that I cannot afford the pre/power at the moment, sad but true. Even used. Also, I was thinking about the Supernait 1 only because the price is attractive and the person who offers seems to be trustworthy, but still I'm afraid it's not convincing enough...
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Re: Naim for ATC

yeti42 ·
A used 202/200 from a well known dealer not far from the M25 will set you back ~£1600 with a warranty and he charges top money for used even for a dealer, Simon can tell you how they work with the 19. Rega have recently released the R version of their Elicit integrated which might be worth trying with your speakers in addition to the Nait if new is what you must have, could be an interesting contest. You'll need a good source or you'll just show up it's deficiencies.
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Re: Naim for ATC

Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Hi yes a 202/200 (but with HiCapDR) will drive your ATCs to sufficiently satisfying levels.. And just whet your appetite for later chapters. I ran such a combo for a while. Simon
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Re: Naim for ATC

messmitha ·
Gents, I'm afraid used is a no-go... Also, I forgot to let you know that I live in Poland. Looking for a new unit, a temp (for 2-3 years) but satisfying enough. Integrated is my preference. I will check Rega. Also, the Kandy K2 BT (with increased power output) might be worth considering? BUT I would love to become a satisfied Naim owner...
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Re: Naim for ATC

Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Good luck then - remember its not just about power - its about damping factor and current delivery. Best audition the amps - it might be you should consider trading the ATCs in for a pair of Harbeths - they are far more forgiving - less accurate IMO and tend to have sat upon dynamics IME but they tend to make most electronics sound quite pleasant. Simon
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Re: Naim for ATC

messmitha ·
I did audition Harbeth Compact 7-ES3 not long ago and it was with Naim XS-2 and the Naim CD. As I took my CD's, I definitely agree with your view - compared to the ATC's I just did not hear all the details that I know are present on the recording and the sound was rather on the "warm" side what is the word I use for dynamics lower than I'm used to. Overall midrange, bass and presentation - great. But the "lack" of detail in the high range was a surprise for me. Maybe SHL5 are better in that...
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ATC SCM19 Speakers at Lower Volume Levels

NewNaim16 ·
I've read some of the forum threads that mentioned ATC SCM19 speakers but couldn't find what I was looking for about what happens with ATC SCM19 speakers at lower volume levels. We recently showroom auditioned a pair of ATC SCM40 speakers and thought we'd found the perfect solution to replace our ageing but still competent Linn Keilidh speakers with Ku-stone bases. However, when the volume was turned down the sound became rather thin and not to our taste. This was with a 272 and 250DR...
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Re: ATC SCM19 Speakers at Lower Volume Levels

Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Over at SinS towers I sometimes run my 19s at very low volume, they seem to work fine, but at very low volume we hear things slightly differently and I think that means extreme bass and treble reduce slightly. But at regular low volume, like at very late at night listening no issue at all with NAP250 and open frame stands. Simon
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Re: ATC SCM19 Speakers at Lower Volume Levels

cat345 ·
I think that loudness controls seen most likely in some early electronics was a better idea for low volume listening no matter the amplifier used. Another option for low level listening is to push back loudspeakers nearer to the wall.
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Re: ATC SCM19 Speakers at Lower Volume Levels

NewNaim16 ·
Thanks to SIMON-IN-SUFFOLK and CAT345 for your inputs. Sure, I’m aware of the human ear’s lower sensitivity to high/low frequencies at reduced volume levels - hence loudness controls. Probably I didn’t convey things adequately but this was more a question of the ATC SCM40 speakers being superb at the kind of volume level that would be appropriate for dedicated listening but IMHO enjoyment dropping off at lower volume level appropriate for having a conversation at the same time. I didn’t mean...
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Re: ATC SCM19 Speakers at Lower Volume Levels

Patu ·
I use SCM40 (v2, I suppose you auditioned this one also) with SN2 + HCDR sourced by Naim DAC. Of course it does sound better when played louder but I don't feel it loses its magic with lower volume levels. Every single speaker and setup I've heard sounds better when played loud, and I mean louder than the late night listening volumes. I live in an apartment building and play a lot at late hours when I have to keep the volume down. Though I do have great neighbors here. Could it have...
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Re: ATC SCM19 Speakers at Lower Volume Levels

NewNaim16 ·
Although I've only just got the 272 so have limited experience with it, I would agree that it could well be the combination of equipment.
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Re: ATC SCM19 Speakers at Lower Volume Levels

Huge ·
In my limited experience, the best for low level listening are 2 way speakers whose bass/mid cones aren't too large and which also have very large magnet assemblies. Large or heavy cones with smaller magnets suffer from too much mechanical damping. Many 3 way passive systems loose a bit of energy through losses in the crossover (N.B. that's many not all ). 3 way active and 3 way tri-amped systems may not suffer from this if both the bass and mid units have sufficiently large magnet...
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Re: ATC SCM19 Speakers at Lower Volume Levels

NewNaim16 ·
Thanks everyone for your welcome comments. Just to be emphasise that it's not really low level listening so much as not having the speakers singing away at a robust level that this is all about. All very subjective and difficult to describe without measuring equipment. Of the half a dozen speakers audited, the effect was more pronounced, with our setup, on the ATC SCM40 than any other - apart from that, we thought it excellent. Anyway, we'll now wait for the planned home loan of Focal Aria...
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ATC SCM19 Speaker vs. Kudos Super 20

NewNaim16 ·
This probably sounds a bit of a wimpish question but I'm going to ask it anyway. We're in the closing stages of deciding on which new speaker to replace our faithful early and still good sounding, Linn Keilidh speakers on the end of a new 272 + 250DR combo. The new speaker selection criteria are acoustics, aesthetics and some specific size considerations, plus as a secondary consideration the cost. After evaluating a lot of candidates it's come down to two rather different solutions. Either...
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Re: ATC SCM19 Speaker vs. Kudos Super 20

Simon-in-Suffolk ·
I have been there.. and for me it was the ATCs. The Super 20s were good but to me they didn't sounds as integrated and they did suffer a bit of room boom with me that I never fully ironed out whilst I was auditioning them. My dealer later said that Kudos were not properly run in when i borrowed them - so that might account for the lack of integration. However I like the ATC sound and have had ATC speakers for many years and so perhaps I had a slight bias? Simon
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Re: ATC SCM19 Speaker vs. Kudos Super 20

NewNaim16 ·
Thanks Simon-in-Suffolk, I much appreciate your input. Indeed I'm also aware of our potential for bias having owned our early Keilidh speakers since they were almost new, as dealer ex demo stock. I've been quite surprised at how high the bar is to meaningfully better them despite the bad wrap they seem to endure with some. I'm also wondering if SCM 19 speakers would demand and XPS on a 272 or be happy enough without as an interim measure - we've heard the benefits on other speakers so...
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Re: ATC SCM19 Speaker vs. Kudos Super 20

Chag... ·
Hi Simon; Would you mind reminding us what stands you are using your SCM 19 on? Many thanks. Chag -
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Re: ATC SCM19 Speaker vs. Kudos Super 20

Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Hi Chag, I use Russ Andrews Torlyte speaker stands with Nordost Pulsar Points decoupling speaker from stand, and NACA5 cable terminated as an 'F' config for the ATCs biwiring connectors. Newnaim16, I can't really comment on the XPS on the 272, but from what I hear from people who own a N272 it appears to nicely improve the sound from the 272. What I can say is that the ATCs are not very coloured.. which usually would think is a good thing? But they can expose weaknesses elsewhere.. sometimes...
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Re: ATC SCM19 Speaker vs. Kudos Super 20

hungryhalibut ·
When I first got my SL2s last summer, I was using the bare 272/250 and it worked very well. About two months later I added the XPS and there was a very significant improvement, with the 272 effectively moving to a higher plane altogether. It just sounds so much better, more real, more engaging etc. So I wouldn't worry about using either of the speakers with the 272/250 on their own. I did muse on ATCs for a while, but the fact that there are hardly any dealers, and of those most don't stock...
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Re: ATC SCM19 Speaker vs. Kudos Super 20

Chag... ·
Thanks Simon. The Torlyte indeed is not a well known solution. It makes it quite interesting as I am sure you have spent long hours selecting them and optimizing their placement. Chag -
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Re: ATC SCM19 Speaker vs. Kudos Super 20

Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Chag, less so placement, but my garage has a mini collection of failed speaker stands... Mostly high mass stands.. so I would say keep away from them as they are the Devil's work, they just seem to smear mid and high ends robbing that presence, non etched detail and naturalness that makes so many recordings come alive. Try and go light and lossy, especially with heavy drive speakers.
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Re: ATC SCM19 Speaker vs. Kudos Super 20

NewNaim16 ·
We've heard the benefits of an XPS on the 272 and there's no doubt that and XPS is in our future. Indeed, your comment about the potential for the ATC SCM19 to expose weaknesses is what I was getting at i.e. how bad would it be without one. The price difference between the two speakers would of course go a long way to funding an XPS purchase sooner rather than later!
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Re: ATC SCM19 Speaker vs. Kudos Super 20

NewNaim16 ·
That's very kind of you to offer Hungryhalibut. We're within driving distance but are already sold on the notion of buying XPS. I considered SL2 speakers but unfortunately they don't meet our size requirements. We live in what was once an older style agricultural worker's cottage that's been dubiously extended by a previous owner so we have some very specific size/space considerations and regrettably, the SL2 does not meet them. Agreed totally about the lack of ATC dealers which is what...
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Re: ATC SCM19 Speaker vs. Kudos Super 20

hungryhalibut ·
I'm intrigued as to why you are focussing on the 19, when the 40 is perhaps the S20's natural competitor. And why ATC specifically? There are loads of speakers out there that may be better, but perhaps, if the S20 is doing all you want it might be best just to get them, after all you cannot test everything. Interestingly, the previous owner of my SL2s moved to S20s and thought them a great improvement. I suppose a lot depends on what the room is like and how close you need to get speakers to...
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Re: ATC SCM19 Speaker vs. Kudos Super 20

ryder. ·
Newnaim16, I would be interested to have your impressions on the ATC SCM19 v2 if you have decided to listen to it in your system with the NAP250 DR. By the way, does anyone feel the SCM entry-level series look better in black than cherry? The cherry looks odd, rather cheap to be frank with the black grilles on them.
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Re: ATC SCM19 Speaker vs. Kudos Super 20

Antonio1 ·
I'm a little biased, I own ATC standmounts with naim amplifier. The dealer has both on demo, when I hear active 40's I really feel deeply connected (even listening to crappy material) with Kudos30 at the end of a very good naim system things get boring. Just to say ,it's just when you hear them yourself you realize. I find much easier talking about differences and sonic signatures with a pletora of brands but ATC.
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Re: ATC SCM19 Speaker vs. Kudos Super 20

Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Newmain16, the thing that struck me with the 19 over the Super 20 is the mid performance which is to die for and the subtle dynamics. The Super20 was more extended but sounded less natural and perhaps more 'hifi' if that means anything. I can imagine people liking clearly either but they do have different presentations. I would say theKudos is more a thrills speaker and the ATC more an insightful monitor which may be too straight laced for some ... Of course the 19 contains ATC's pro...
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Re: ATC SCM19 Speaker vs. Kudos Super 20

ryder. ·
One thing that worries me is reports on ATC passive speakers sounding flat at the end of modestly powered Naim amps. I believe the NAP300 DR may just drive the SCM19 v2 close to its full potential, but anything lesser than that (250 DR and below) may not reveal to true performance of the speakers. The ATC actives are recommended over the passive ATCs, and the ATC integrated amplifier and other high-powered amps are said to be better alternatives than the equivalent / costlier Naim systems on...
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