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which Dynaudio for naim nait 5si

hancoock2367 ·
Hello. I need an advice my hi fi system consists of: Naim Nait 5si , Marantz SA8005 Sub Rel T5 cable wireworld oasis rca solstice for speakers. I would change the speakers B&W 685s2 with the dynaudio because I read that sounds more hifi and an excellent coupled with naim. do you think the Dynaudio Excite x18 or x14 are a good match with naim nait 5si. Or else Dynaudio Emit M20? the music I listen to is mostly rock and country, my favorites are Dire Straits, Pink floyd, David Bowie, guns...
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branmak ·
Originally Posted by joerand: I run Totem Sttafs. Also demoed Arros, and Hawks. I just upgraded from Nait XS/FCXS to SN2. The Sttafs benefitted greatly from the additional 20 watts. I never heard the Forests, but my gut tells me they would need something bigger than the XS to do them justice. I think the supernaite 2 would be my best choice with Naim, but at that price point i would go for a Hegel h300...i think it would offer more control, because of more power on tap....no?....would it be...
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joerand ·
There was a discussion on here recently suggesting that the new Naim integrateds have surpassed their separate counterparts in value and perhaps in sound quality as well. I never heard the Hegel, but it appears to have a wealth of power on paper. Would easily drive Forests I imagine. Now we're a long way away from your original question involving the 5si and the XS, aren't we?
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unsleepable ·
Originally Posted by branmak: The XS seems to control the bass a little better... I think this will also depend on the speakers. As great as the XS may be, it wasn't a good combination with my Kef R100—bass, for example, was boomy with certain tracks.
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Frank Abela ·
In my view, you want the XS. It's a better match than the Nait5si with the Forests. But really and truly you need a Supernait. The Forests are not easy to control. Regards, Frank. All opinions are my own and do not reflect the opinion of any organisations I work for, except where this is stated explicitly.
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joerand ·
I run Totem Sttafs. Also demoed Arros, and Hawks. I just upgraded from Nait XS/FCXS to SN2. The Sttafs benefitted greatly from the additional 20 watts. I never heard the Forests, but my gut tells me they would need something bigger than the XS to do them justice.
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branmak ·
Well, i home demo the Nait XS2 for 3 days....And did 3 days demo with Hegel H-100...The winner for me is the Hegel...The Naim sounded bloated and loose in the bass region, details were lost....soundstage was also quit poor....I undestand what naim means by PraT...its like the mid-bass region was boosted a bit to give more oomphs in the lower register. But that, for me causes a mess.... Enter the Hegel....Listening to some tracks that contained some 12 string guitars, with the hegel it was...
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joerand ·
Looks like a nice system you have there, branmak. Congrats on finding what you were after. I'll be sure to give the Hegel a listen if I ever come across one.
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branmak ·
Both amp were store demos with lots of hours run into them...
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joerand ·
Are you in Norway?
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branmak ·
No, i am from Montreal....Thats why a good part of my system is Made in quebec (Canada)
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joerand ·
I wanted to demo Moon gear when I was first buying Naim two years ago, but could not find any dealers in the Puget Sound area. Only one Totem dealer here AFAIK.
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branmak ·
Canada has some great HIFI mfg: moon, totem, classe, blue circle, Resonessence labs, Bryston, PSB. bis audio....to name of few...all well regarded.
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joerand ·
I was pretty impressed with PSB speakers as well as Totems. I understand the Canadian gov't funds related audio research to assist industry. This possibly results in similar sound among Canadian audio manufacturers?
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branmak ·
PSB as use of National research Council of canada facilities i think...
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joerand ·
It appears you like cold climate manufacturers. Enjoy your Hegel. Nice chatting with you, branmak. We should return this thread to the 5si and XS. Cheers!
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branmak ·
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Jan-Erik Nordoen ·
Woa! We've entered a blackhole and come out on branmak's Blackberry.
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Jan-Erik Nordoen ·
Originally Posted by joerand: I was pretty impressed with PSB speakers as well as Totems. I understand the Canadian gov't funds related audio research to assist industry. This possibly results in similar sound among Canadian audio manufacturers? Calling us bland are you? Dem's fightin' words! Our National Research Council acoustics laboratory is one of our proudest achievements. It pales, though, in comparison to our oil sands. And then you have regional differences to consider. There's no...
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joerand ·
Actually, I meant it completely complimentary, Jan-Erik. I own Totems and PSBs were second on my list. When I asked the dealer if it was coincidence I found two Canadian speakers the most dynamic I auditioned, he suggested that they may have access to and use the same research to develop their speakers. As I said, I was also very interested in hearing Moon, just frustrated by lack of dealers in my area. I was considering driving to Vancouver BC to hear Moon, but found Naim before that...
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Jan-Erik Nordoen ·
'eh
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Zipperheadbanjo ·
Joerand.... what... no April Wine, Triumph, or Gordon Lightfoo? I find that the Totem floor standers beyond the Sttaffs are quite power hungry. I run Hawks and although they were driven ok by my SuperUniti, the difference when I added a 250.2 was significant.
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joerand ·
Sorry, not in my current music collection but I can certainly accommodate plenty of Guess Who or BTO. Indeed, the Totems seem to enjoy their juice. My Sttafs quite appreciatively accepted the extra 20 watts available when I went from the Nait XS to the SN2. I've always relished the notion of hearing Hawks in my room. Even more so now with the SN2.
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branmak ·
I would add Arcade Fire, half moon Run and city in colour and the band to those canadian artists...
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Jan-Erik Nordoen ·
Originally Posted by branmak: > all cables are Bis Audio Maestro...When i demoed the naim, i had naca5 cables... < That would account for some of the differences you describe between the Naim and the Hegel, but certainly not all. The Hegel gear is very good and also very good value for money. I never got on with the BIS Audio Maestro speaker cables, nor the Maestro digital interconnect, but their Vivat speaker cables, and dig interconnect, are a very different story. Well worth...
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mutterback ·
Sounds like a great system, whatever your choice. I use a Nait XS with Totem Hawks and love it. The obvious advice is to have a listen. Adding a flat cap to the XS sounds even better, so don't get it if you don't want to get hooked on that path ;-) Hearing that was what tipped me towards the XS over the 5i a few years back. My two considerations would be: - check if the Si can drive the Forests. Though I think older XS is 60watts also. - In favor of the Si is that it has a real 1/4 inch...
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branmak ·
I have a schiit lyr (with amperex orange globes)dedicated headphone amp already - I dont need one in the amp - driving my Audeze LCD-2.2
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J.N. ·
No one here has your ears; system or room. You simply have to listen; preferably in the context of your own system and room acoustics. John.
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branmak ·
The XS seems to control the bass a little better...It takes a while to get used to the different sound signature...Seems like the XS is more delicate in its presentation....the details dont apear to pop as much as the 5si...But maybe in the long run the XS would feel like a better choice...It'S hard to make a clear choice...upgrading is not as evident as downgrading...where the differences are more noticible, since you got to develop the ear for a better sound...
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MangoMonkey ·
My dealer was of the opinion that the original nait xs2 wasn't able to control the forest well - that it sounds wooly. I know people run the forest with either the superuniti or the supernait.
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Skip ·
My experience is with the Nait 5i and the Nait XS. The NaitXS is head and shoulders above the 5i. The XS has a preamp in it. The 5i has a passive volume control. You can hear the difference in dynamics. The XS also can be upgraded with a Flatcap, which improves its performance further. In my opinion, the XS is vastly superior to the 5i. Don't know about the new 5si, or the speakers.
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Re: Nait 5si: how it sounds ?

Former Member ·
When did Wharfedale make good speakers ?
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GraemeH ·
Originally Posted by b_lund: When did Wharfedale make good speakers ? 1980's 'Diamond' I remember being OK. G
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james n ·
Diamonds ... A long time ago and then they went to China....
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master_hifi ·
Let's not push the discussion into this direction, please I was hoping these new speakers, made in China, I agree, could be a good match. Jade 7 If someone from this forum tested them... I would be glad to hear.
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Stephen Tate ·
Another thread about nothing.
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SmauG ·
All cable talk aside..... Has the OP tried to move the speakers around yet? And if so, please share some results
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Christopher_M ·
^ +1. Absolutely. Get on with it! Chris
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master_hifi ·
2 things: - about the cables, I agree with the user "Huge", Audioquest 14/4 in Quad Star is better than NACA5 from my personal tests, at least my taste goes for that one. I returned the NACA5 because of this. Even the Wireworld Luna 16/4 is better IMHO. - I rearranged the speakers, nothing spectacular, little improvements. I also did a mistake saying that I have 4m distance, I measured 2.8m between them - I also did give NAD another try, that one is more powerful, but still the little Nait...
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hastings ·
Back in the day I moved from a NAD c350 to a Nait 5i and wondered the same thing: where's the bass? It seems deep bass is part of the NAD sound. But don't get quantity and quality confused here. The bass detail on the NAD was poor - reach had far exceeded grasp. It sounded unnatural too. You need time to acclimatize to the nait presentation - the nait is far more sophisticated and coherent. The thumpy bass is gone and you've won overall. If that deep bass is still something you can't do...
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Stephen Tate ·
It's funny you should say that. A friend of mine bought a NAD C320 on the basis that it had won product of the year twice in a row, in fact he bought two of them and then bridged them (why o why i'll never know). My NAC92/90.3 utterly trounced it in every shape or form (musically) so the guy ended selling the whole lot and got a Nait 3 instead - it was a real eye opener for the poor soul as power was everything to him. Needless to say he had learned a valid lesson on his real stepping stone...
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master_hifi ·
What I can honsstly say in my case is that although I have some little things that are bugging me, the Naim is definitely a keeper and the NAD will be sold
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Stephen Tate ·
Hi, Is there any reason why you are not using NACA5 speaker cables? I know it's a cliché but you really need to try it as I think this will iron out those little niggles. They need to be expertly made up using Naim's own loudspeaker plugs (very important) and be at least 3.5 meters long in equal lengths. If you cater to the Nait's needs it will bend over backwards to reward you with any music you care to throw at it. I've just finished a two day session and have to admit that i'm finding it...
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realmadspur ·
Well to TBH, I'm no hifi expert but my mate has a Naim 5si with the Naim 5cd and I think it's a seriously nice system...with Neat iotas I think...
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Huge ·
Originally Posted by Stephen Tate: Hi, Is there any reason why you are not using NACA5 speaker cables? I know it's a cliché but you really need to try it as I think this will iron out those little niggles. They need to be expertly made up using Naim's own loudspeaker plugs (very important) and be at least 3.5 meters long in equal lengths. ... Steve There's no electrical reason to use the NACA5 with the Nait series, nor do they need a minimum cable length of 3.5m. Furthermore, the Audioquest...
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Stephen Tate ·
Yes I understand it will work electrically, so will a twin & earth mains cable if you wanted it to, I was merely referring to the flavour. Steve
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Stephen Tate ·
The great thing I like about the Nait 5si is that it is not fussy about what type of music you play through it, it just get's on with it, unlike Naim amps of old. It's not relentless either by trying to spoon feed you with what it likes. To find that it is more mature and at ease with what's going on than the old olive kit, this in my opinion negates any slight leanness in the bass... I think it's fair to say that What HIFI? magazine have given it a pretty accurate review. Enjoy. .
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Former Member ·
With my Nait XS i think treble is also a bit strangled/rounded and sound can't be a touch bold and lacking a bit richness overall. But of course PRAT, bass kick, stability and fun are excellent.
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SmauG ·
I own both a Nait 5i-2 and a pair of Evo2-30's and would call neither of them bass shy. I can't imagine the bass from the 5Si to be any less than that of its predecessor. Based on your description of bass and "strangled trebble" my guess is a speakerphase problem. Have you checked and rechecked your speakerwiring on both (amp and speaker) sides? Also, The Wharfedales need quite some space around them to work well. Stay clear of the back/side wall. In my opinion a room would be rather too...
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master_hifi ·
Hi, I strongly believe I don't have a phase problem, here's why. I use the same speaker cables (respecting colors, red to +, black to -), same position, and with the NAD C356BEE that one is able to give more weight to the bass. It's more powerful, too. The speakers position is "classic", 4 meters between them, 60 cm from the walls. the room is large. Have you tested with other amp to compare on your system? Even the small C326 BEE was able to produce a greater bass. Also one Yamaha amp and...
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