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Re: naim nait XS2 vs Hegel H-100

branmak ·
I tried the XS2 and found bass better controlled and musicians better integrated to the soundstage than what the 5si offered, but there seemed to be more presence on certain instruments...XS sounded sweeter, 5si more detailed and forward...i laso tried the hegel-h80....found the details of the 5si and a better controlled bass...excellent soundstage...but....less vibrant the naims...
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Re: naim nait XS2 vs Hegel H-100

branmak ·
so, maybe more power would bring more prat...like the h100...or would the x2 with optional power supply render better bass control...
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Re: naim nait XS2 vs Hegel H-100

Kendrick ·
It might be helpful to list your system components and room dimensions/speaker placement to give context to your question about bass response. That said, I found the XS2 to have much better control over the bass response of my Totem Rainmaker speakers than the XS model that preceded it. The XS2 has other virtues, too, and is a real upgrade over the original model. I considered buying a smaller Hegel integrated (H80) but found a good deal on a dealer demo XS2 and never heard a Hegel integrated.
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Re: naim nait XS2 vs Hegel H-100

Iconoclast ·
From what I've read and what I heard on a few Youtube videos (check out Hegel + Amphion + Jack Johnson) I'm sure Hegel can hold its own against Naim in bass control. As for warmth and musicality - maybe but I'd tend to give the edge to Naim. Without having directly compared the two I went with the XS2 for two main reasons - HP output and looks. A local dealer carries both brand and I plan to do the test someday just to satisfy my curiosity.
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Re: naim nait XS2 vs Hegel H-100

branmak ·
I Originally Posted by Iconoclast: From what I've read and what I heard on a few Youtube videos (check out Hegel + Amphion + Jack Johnson) I'm sure Hegel can hold its own against Naim in bass control. As for warmth and musicality - maybe but I'd tend to give the edge to Naim. Without having directly compared the two I went with the XS2 for two main reasons - HP output and looks. A local dealer carries both brand and I plan to do the test someday just to satisfy my curiosity. I compared the...
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Re: naim nait XS2 vs Hegel H-100

JTB ·
I moved from nait xs/fltcp xs to a Hegel H200. I also demoed the nait xs with a hicap dr. Both very musical, full with detail but to my ears very different. I prefered the Hegel's presentation. The nait/ hicap dr just as detailed but a bit leaner(imo). My advice is, listen to both Hegel and Naim because I think they are quit different in presentation. If you prefer the Naim I would also consider the second-hand nait xs/ hicap dr option, I thought it sounded excellent. Thomas
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Re: naim nait XS2 vs Hegel H-100

MangoMonkey ·
supernait.
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Re: naim nait XS2 vs Hegel H-100

branmak ·
I am sure the supernait would be nice, but its over my budget...
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Re: naim nait XS2 vs Hegel H-100

Massimo Bertola ·
I have changed a lot of Naim equipment in the last seven years or so, so if that qualifies me as an experienced and reliable judge or as a unstable jerk, it's up to you to decide. Yet, my last amps were a SuperNait (with and without HiCap), a SuperUniti, a Nait5 i , a Nait XS and, presently, a NAP 150x power amp with an AV2 as control unit. I also have an older chrome bumper 42.5/140 combo. Late XS was the second one. In retrospect, I think the SN has great qualities - power, control,...
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Re: Hi Line experience

charnik ·
Twisting the hiline plug a bit after connection to the DIN socket is a "valid" tweak? I think i have read about it in this forum sometime ago.
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Re: Hi Line experience

Nic Chan ·
Yes it's the same dealer. I placed my order for the famelite they will arrive next week. (He did mentioned that I don't need the frame just have my system placed side by side on the floor will still do the trick. But from you guys experience I made the call and ordered the framelite. Will there be any difference with hi cap on xs2? And when the framelite arrived, everything put in proper position on the rack including hi cap. Will the hi line sound different?
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hungryhalibut ·
Ah, good. I suggest that you get the stand installed, arrange the hiline so that it doesn't drag on the floor, and then just get to know the sound of your system and enjoy it. You absolutely shouldn't start thinking about hicaps, supernaits or anything else for a good while. A small system, carefully set up, will be better than something bigger just bunged together with no care and attention. Until you know what you have, you won't know whether you want anything better.
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The Strat (Fender) ·
The Halibut is a wise old fish
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Nic Chan ·
Well said! And thanks for the advice! Can't wait for the fraimlite to arrive! Guess it will stabilise my system and brings it o another level. Btw it's Chinese New Year over here! Kung Hei Fat Choi everyone! (The word you will say during The Chinese Lunar New Year. It has a meaning of cheers, wishing people luck & have a wonderful future).
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Re: Hi Line experience

joerand ·
Interesting findings. I'd have guessed a Hiline along the floor would outperform a lavender laid out in the same manner As HH suggested, I'd hang on to the Hiline and test it against the lavender once you get the Fraimlite installed. Let us know what you think of the two then.
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Simon-in-Suffolk ·
I agree with HH, cable dressing can be important and with the Hiline it is. The big advantage of the Hiline is its mechanical decoupling, and for that to work the cable needs to hang. I think the Fraimlite will bring better performance, especially if items currently on the floor. Once the kit is properly setup and installed then you should be able to better enjoy what the Naim s doing... of course you might still find the Hiline is not for you, but at least you will be correctly evaluating it.
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Geko ·
It took me a longtime to fully appreciate what the Hiline can do. Like you I purchased second hand but soon notice a slight channel imbalance i.e one channel sound more detailed than the other. This resulted in it being sent back to Naim who fixed the problem. Trouble is I went and broke one of the joints through some clumsy handling, so off it went again. Even after it came back, and with the rather extensive burn in period required, I had moments where I preferred the old lavender lead.
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Richard Dane ·
Nic, as others have written here, the Hi-line is all about the decoupling and so, unless it is installed just so then its performance is impaired. Hang on to it until you have the Fraim installed. Then follow the installation advice given on this forum - prepare the hi-line with the connectors orientated in each hand and the cable hanging in a gentle loop with as little stress as possible. When you connect the Airplugs to the DIN sockets, push all the way in then just pull back a mm or so.
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Re: Hi Line experience

Stephen Tate ·
I found my Hi-Line was much better than my Lavender interconnect through my entry level pairing even when fresh out of the tin. (though it did lack excitement at first) After months of running in - It has fallen (properly) into place over time and I can say it is miles better in my system, hours of fun, the music just flows.... After reading some recent posts: I got the urge to try the Lavender again after a many months of living with the Hi-Line and (not to my surprise) it confirmed the...
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Re: Hi Line experience

Nic Chan ·
Thanks Richard. I think I got what u mean! I had the same feeling when I tested it. I used the same song and it's a song I know really well that I can tell the difference. It's exactly why I changed back to the grey line. For now I'll wait for the fraimlite to arrive and I'll try setting up the hi line again. Since it's a second hand cable fingers crossed it's the problem of my setup instead of a problem with the cable and needs to be rebuilt. Thanks for the info!
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The Strat (Fender) ·
Interesting - I run a hi-line between my CDS3 and 282 and have been very impressed. I wouldn't go for a hi-cap in your current set up I'd wait until you get a SN2 with both the CD5XS and ND5XS it's a super match up.
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kuma ·
Naim or otherwise, a home demo of hifi cables is essential. Can your dealer take back the HiLine? Surely he wants you to be happy.
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hungryhalibut ·
Is this the hiline that I suggested you should not buy, because your equipment is stacked on top of each other, sitting on the floor, and therefore the hiline cannot hang free, in the way it needs to in order to work properly? And the dealer that likes to sell you stuff rather than looking after your best interests?
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Re: Hi Line experience

Nic Chan ·
I have the LS50s at the moment and I do like the sound with the XS2 driving them more than the SN2 I had a feeling if I get the SN2 I'll upgrade my speakers real soon (I like the LS50s look and I have a small room with no space for floor stand ) No home demo service here in Hong Kong and since it's a second hand I don't think the dealer will take it back. I can always sell them online tho. I am actually quite excited to get a hi cap upgrade for my system. Are they not going to make a big...
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Time to build a new system...advice please ??

Macbags ·
Hi.  I'd welcome any thoughts and advice as I'm returning to the fold having spent the last 10 years in the wilderness with a decent av set up albeit having to accept reality poor stereo.  Christmas saw me dust of an old nait 3 and after...
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Hi Line experience

Nic Chan ·
Got a great deal for a second hand Hi Line interconnect. Demoed it at my dealer and liked the fact that it brings smoothness and a wider sound stage to my system (ND5XS + NAIT XS2). So bought it home had it run a good few days and noticed the mid range got too smoothen out which made vocals and treble sounds too different from the original grey lavender cable.  I switched back to the grey lavender then I started to love the music again. Then I realise that I liked the original cable...
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naim nait XS2 vs Hegel H-100

branmak ·
what amp would provide more controlled bass and precise soundstage; Hegel h100 or Naim Nait XS2....? (with Totem forest)
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ND5XS + Nait XS2 upgrade path?

Nic Chan ·
Hi there, I'm new to this forum and would like to seek for some advise. It was only a month ago when I decided I want a Hi-Fi system installed in my room (3.5 x 3.5meters) Went so wrong by picking up a Cambridge Audio CXN streamer + CXA80 amp + KEF LS50 which end up not the kind of sound preference that I like (I'm new to HiFi stuff). Everything sound so different when I got home. (No ho,e demo service in HK) So I changed the amp to a Nait XS2, things got better but still I don't find the...
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Re: Time to build a new system...advice please ??

Tariqv ·
Originally Posted by Macbags: Update Currently enjoying home audition of superuniti. Thoroughly enjoyable (after a few frustrations setting up network connections etc) but can't help to think that it's little round for my tastes. Haven't yet had the opportunity to listen to the nait xs2 and nd5 xs but from what I understand it could be a bit tighter less off a full sound. How much my current thinking about the superuniti is down to my speakers ( monitor audio rx6's) I don't know.... It...
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Re: Time to build a new system...advice please ??

Macbags ·
Update Currently enjoying home audition of superuniti. Thoroughly enjoyable (after a few frustrations setting up network connections etc) but can't help to think that it's little round for my tastes. Haven't yet had the opportunity to listen to the nait xs2 and nd5 xs but from what I understand it could be a bit tighter less off a full sound. How much my current thinking about the superuniti is down to my speakers ( monitor audio rx6's) I don't know.... It proves the benefit of a home...
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Re: Time to build a new system...advice please ??

Macbags ·
Richy, just back from my audition which was fascinating. Nac 172 and nap 200 combo, great grip on the base really held the tracks together with a beautifully broad soundstage but sadly missing a but of detail middle and upper ranges. Very easy to listen to but missing that little something and if you're into upgrade paths there's nowhere to go nait xs 2 and nd5xs, greater detail (quite a big difference in fact) but light in the base, doesn't have the grip the nap 200 gave the other system.
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MangoMonkey ·
I would stretch to a NDX/Supernait2 if I were you. Even if it means waiting and saving for a while... Maybe look for a s/h or demo NDX?
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Former Member ·
Referring to HungryHalibut view and your own MM on boxes that can take PSU the question is does the NDX sound right without XPS or XP5 PSU? Having heard the NDAC, many times, it never really convinced me as I had the nagging feeling it needed an XPS2. Maybe hearing it with XP2 meant I could never really be satisfied with it bare again. that's the reason I bought V1 as no PSU can be added to it, therefore Naim had to make sure it sounded best in class without PSU upgrade. I note the PSU of...
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Macbags ·
Will do. Superuniti goes back tomorrow. Noticeable improvement having now been warmed for 5 days bur still missing a little something. Demoing the nait xs2 and nd5 xs tuesday.........will let you know how I get on
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Richy ·
Originally Posted by Macbags: Will do. Superuniti goes back tomorrow. Noticeable improvement having now been warmed for 5 days bur still missing a little something. Demoing the nait xs2 and nd5 xs tuesday.........will let you know how I get on Please let me know what you think. I previously had a Superuniti and I'm now considering the xs combo so it'd be good to hear your thoughts.
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Macbags ·
Decision taken and nd5 and supernait 2 on order. Time to start ripping cd's in prep. Decision taken after realisation that I've got to stop somewhere and had to avoid any further temptation if I'd auditioned a NDX. On reflection the nd5 and supernait 2 was such a revelation when compared to all the other systems I tried. The jump up in performance over the super uniti, nd5/xs2, nac172/nap200 etc was so substantial that once listened to there was no going back. My dealer has apologised as he...
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Re: Time to build a new system...advice please ??

hungryhalibut ·
A trip to your local dealer to consider options is probably the best place to start. Decide whether you want one box or several, and whether you want to stream from a NAS, or play from a computer into a DAC. I'd choose 1, but I'm biased. 4 will probably be a bit better and give more scope for upgrades, but is that what you want? There is no point to 3 if you want to leave those pesky CDs in the loft. As for 2, I've not heard it, so cannot comment. Given that you have the Nait, adding an...
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Fueller ·
I've not heard the combos you mention but I find it interesting with the current naim products as 1,2 and 4 are different ways/ numbers of boxes of getting to roughly the same place in functionality and possibly sound quality. Superuniti has more power if you have/might have current hungry speakers while I suspect the separates may give better resolution (+ XS2 has good headphone stage). Usual advice you'll need to audition at the dealer maybe 1 or 4 v 2 to start with to see if the extra...
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MangoMonkey ·
If you have a PC handy, consider the Dac V1/Nap100. I myself prefer it over all your four options. I've owned 1, 3 and 4.
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Macbags ·
Thanks for your comments, auditions will follow if I can find a local dealer that can help. What I've found with demos is that to do a fair test all the kit needs to have been on and is warm. A recent demo of the uniti 2 against the 5si combo was disappointing as the uniti was cold and just didnt sparkle.......perhaps because it was cold or perhaps because the 5si combo was better. Point being how do you really know how well kit will perform from shortish demo when certain variables come...
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hungryhalibut ·
Ideally you'd try the options at the dealer, and then take your favourite home for the weekend. That enables you to listen to lots of different music and get a better idea of whether you want to live with it long term. In your case, I'd reflect on how you want to interact with your music collection, and whether you want a computer in the mix. If you live near me, you are welcome to listen to my SuperUniti.
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engjoo ·
Originally Posted by Macbags: Hi. I'd welcome any thoughts and advice as I'm returning to the fold having spent the last 10 years in the wilderness with a decent av set up albeit having to accept reality poor stereo. Christmas saw me dust of an old nait 3 and after much fiddling ( including me getting the speaker connections the wrong way round on the nait!) I was presented a glimpse of what I had in truth been missing for a long time......a way to really start enjoying music again.
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Macbags ·
That's a very kind offer, I'm new to this forum, it's clearly populated by some generous people. I'll hazard a guess however ... you're somewhere on the coast and I'm as inland as you can probably be ! One thing about home auditions however I've found is they infer a degree of indebtedness to the dealer, i borrowed a second hand amp a while back, felt afterwards they expected a sale and didn't seem to like the fact i was considering other options.....perhaps I just got them on a bad day ?
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joerand ·
Originally Posted by Macbags: One thing about home auditions however I've found is they infer a degree of indebtedness to the dealer, i borrowed a second hand amp a while back, felt afterwards they expected a sale and didn't seem to like the fact i was considering other options.....perhaps I just got them on a bad day ? Shop around. In my experience, some dealers can be more forward, or expectational regarding demos. If you feel pressure, maybe find a dealer that makes you feel more...
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Sloop John B ·
A superuniti will be the easiest one to get a home demo of form a dealer as it's one box. I would certainly be top of my list if I were you. You then don't have to worry about stress in your interconnects, bnc or usb, coaxial or salt 'n vinegar etc. a simple elegant solution (but you will also have to budget for a NAS or have a PC to stream from). Have a demo if it ticks the boxes, STOP. SJB
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Macbags ·
Thanks again all. its been a distraction at work today as I've made a few calls and will be out auditioning soon. Funnily enough the two recomendations are the two most expensive being the super uniti and nd5/nait xs2 combo. The latter being voted the preference by two out of three. its a case of budget and boxes......what I need is a fairy godmother to make sure I make the right decision. any thoughts on me having to run it through my MA rx6's, at least say for the first 12 months?
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hungryhalibut ·
The MAs will be absolutely fine, for as long as you want. When I bought my SuperUniti, the other option was the ND5xs/Nait XS combo. The dealer suggested that in his view it was a little better. So why didn't I buy it?...... The ND and the Nait are both upgradeable with power supplies, and from experience I found that Naim boxes that can take power supplies only sound truly right (to me) if they have those supplies. So, I'd then want the XP5xs, and a flatcap 2x. Then there's the option of a...
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Macbags ·
Sage like advice thank you! You know you are absolutely right but the verdict remains open. I'm also in luck a dealer nearish by can demo options 1,2 & 3 so a trip is on the cards. Thanks everyone.......i'll report back in a couple of weeks
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Olly ·
Just one point I'd like to add to suggestions already made. Dac V1 doesn't necessarily need a computer. Coax out from a Sonos Connect would make a streaming system with a small footprint and very nice streaming interface, if you don't want high res or a computer attached to your new system. Was reading today that Chord make very big claims for the effect of their Anthem Tuned ARAY digital cable on Sonos - can anybody vouch for this? Olly
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Macbags ·
Having spent 20 mins looking into sonos I've just read in a thread that it won't stream 24 bit and therefore isn't going to offer the same performance as the nait streamers. Having said that I don't know what real world benefit 24 but offers......perhaps someone could enlighten me. while still to audition option 4 seems to be edging it over option 1.......let's see what happens
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