Tagged With "FlatCap"

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Why does the Flat-/Hi-Cap go between the pre- and power-amps?

lennyw ·
Sorry if this has been asked before and covered fully elsewhere. I couldn't find it in the forum. I was just wondering what the technical explanation is for why the power supply (eg Flatcap) goes between the pre-amp and power-amp. Would it not be...
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Re: Cable with Flatcap XS

Calum F ·
You need to buy another SNAIC (5-Pin I think) as you are taking care of two components. I used to have one for CD5XS/202 and was a bit shocked when I discovered the need for the extra SNAIC (they ain't cheap).
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Re: Cable with Flatcap XS

Massimo Bertola ·
Frenchnaim, as far as I can tell, Naim PSUs come with a Snaic5, power amps with a Snaic 4. This way, if you want to use your FlatCap, or HiCap, to power a CDP your Snaic5 is the proper cable, while if you want to power your preamp, or the preamp inside your integrated, the combination of the two Snaics does the job. Cheers, Max P.s. Supposing you want to use your FlatCap for powering both CDP and integrated, you'll need two Snaic5s and a Snaic4. One Snaic5 connects CD and FlatCap, the other...
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Re: Cable with Flatcap XS

Former Member ·
I suppose this means the standard 5-pin din cable is useless; why does the French distributor sell it with the PS, as there are no standard din sockets on the PS...? I can only think it was put inside the box by mistake. Thanks for your reply.
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Re: Cable with Flatcap XS

james n ·
The flatcap comes with the mains cable and a single snaic 5. James
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Re: Cable with Flatcap XS

mikapoh ·
The Snaic 5-pin is not useless, it still can be used to power the cd player. Just that Naim requires you to buy extra Snaic 4&5 pins if wish to assign FC XS to 2 components. The 2 Snaic cables are not relatively cheap. You might have considered saved up a bit for a Powerline. YMMV.
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Re: Question about Nait 5i + Stageline

hungryhalibut ·
Yes, you would need a power supply for a Stageline.
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Re: Question about Nait 5i + Stageline

porterh ·
thank you.
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Too many power supplies!!

BigO ·
My system is:CD5x powered by Flatcap2x, NAC202 powered by HiCap and NAPSC, Stageline powered by the Flatcap2x, Flatcap2x (powering the CD5x and the Stageline), HiCap powering the NAC202. NAD533 turntable I have just bought another NAPSC to conenct to...
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HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

EG ·
I'm considering a PSU for my CD5x and the 122x pre. A FlatCap 2x/xs would be an obvious first step. But, if we disregard the cost, would a HiCap solution be better - or as some suggest - would the HiCap "overpower" the CD5x? I want to make the right...
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HiCap or FlatCap?

LaurentM ·
All, I recently moved from a CD5i (2) to a CD5 XS. I really appreciate this amazing CDP with a McIntosh 6300 and Vienna Beethowen Baby Grand speakers. I've now the option to go for an externl PSU and need some help from you guys: HiCap of FlatCap?...
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HiCap

BigO ·
Can my HiCap (2005) power more than one item? I currently have it powering NAC202. I also have FlatCapx2 powering a CD5X and a StageLine. I am about to upgrade from CD5X to HDX with XPS-DR. Can I dispense with the FlatCap and power the StageLine from...
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Cable with Flatcap XS

Former Member ·
Got a new Flatcap XS today from a French dealer (to partner Nait XS and CD5XS). Inside the box was a grey 5-pin 180° standard din cable, not the SNAIC 4 the dealer told me to expect. What type of cable is the Flatcap normally sold with? I know there have been other posts about cables for the Flatcap - but I haven't been able to find the information.
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Flatcap XS disappointing...

Christian Kaufmann ·
Hi all, I recently bought a Nait 5 XS2 and a CD 5 XS which are connected to B&W 804D and I am very happy with it. This of course did not stop me from trying a Flatcap XS with it this weekend. I read a lot of posts here before and expected quite some improvement. Unfortunately I have to say the difference is not as big as I hoped for. I can hear a character change like the music is more bright and powerful with the Flatcap and more round and warm without it. The music stage...
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Flatcap or Napsc's

BigO ·
Following some excellent advice received from the forum, I have been thinking about an upgrade. Current Naim components are: CD5x powered by Flatcap2x, NAC202 powered by HiCap, Flatcap2x powering the CD5x and a Stageline, HiCap powering the NAC202 and the Stageline. I have been investigating the use of quality headphone that would require a Headline, which I haven’t got yet. The question posed is : would I be better off (in terms of sound quality) if I a. used two separate napsc’s to provide...
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Quick connection advice please...

sjw98 ·
Hi all. I've just bought a flatcap2 to power my 112 and I love it. My question is about using it to power my cd3.5 as well. With a 112 you connect the pre > flatcap > power (ie the flatcap is in the middle, acting as the reference ground). If...
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Question about Nait 5i + Stageline

porterh ·
Hey there, new owner of a Nait 5i (I think it is the older version, without the 1/2 jack in the front plate).  I'm looking at upgrading my phono stage from the Bellari vp130 I'm currently using, and I was looking at a used Stageline (current version).  Is my understanding correct that this is only possible with this particular amp if I supply power from an external supply ( iSupply, HiCap, FlatCap)? So $300-500 for a used Stageline +  iSupply for ~225 or + HiCap (which ranges...
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Quick question on power supplies...

sjw98 ·
Hi all. Forgive me ignorance, but is it possible to power a cd3.5 via a flatcap 2x or 2xs?! I'm thinking of getting either a 2 or a 2x to upgrade my nac112, but I was wondering whether I could perk up my old 3.5 at the same time. Any ideas? ...
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

King Size ·
Flatcap on a CD5x/122 makes sense but the moment you add the possibility of upgrading to a 202 into the mix the Hicap moves very much into the picture. So the question you need to answer is "how far will you go?"
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

EG ·
Ok, but is there any sense in the view that a HiCap makes the CD5x sound crazy?
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

Sloop John B ·
I had this situation earlier in my Naim history. I thought the HiCap was too much on the CD5x and the cheaper flatcap is the better option as the system sounded more balanced. The HiCap on the other hand (and napsc) really do improve the 202. But in your current situation the flatcap is the best option from my experience SJB
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

King Size ·
Who says you have to use the HiCap on the CD5x? But what Sloop says makes sense to me. I'm actually about to try a Flatcap in my system.
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

Sloop John B ·
Originally Posted by King Size: Who says you have to use the HiCap on the CD5x? I would recommend it but obviously it's not mandatory. One of the more obvious upgrades in my path though. SJB
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

catalinmetal ·
with the flatcap you can power both pre and source cause it has 2 x 24V PS rails (although i recommend powering one at the time for more spottable results)... with hicap you can only power one item at a time, cause it outputs only one 24V rail... the impact on ound is more obvious with the hicap, on some records adding the flatcap into a system with either XS range or the 202, may just light a bit the stage tonally, and nothing more... i do think that for the retail price when new, it is...
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

EG ·
Originally Posted by Sloop John B: I had this situation earlier in my Naim history. I thought the HiCap was too much on the CD5x and the cheaper flatcap is the better option as the system sounded more balanced. In what way was the HiCap too much? Too pronounced sound?
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

DavidDever ·
What other sources are you using with the 122x? Which power amplifier? Personally, I find the NAC 152 XS + FlatCap XS (using both sides) to be pretty compelling, relative to a standalone NAC 202–as always, your mileage may vary. Leave the CD5x as it is–it may be the next thing you upgrade or replace altogether.
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

EG ·
Originally Posted by DavidDever: What other sources are you using with the 122x? Which power amplifier? It's a 155xs
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

EG ·
Originally Posted by DavidDever: Leave the CD5x as it is–it may be the next thing you upgrade or replace altogether. The CD5x is new to me, so I will probably hang on to cd:s for a good while. Before I got it I was thinking about to go the DAC-way or the CD-way and I decided to stay with CDs, since I like the physical thing about it. At the same time I abandoned the TT and my vinyl collection.
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

SGY ·
I'll be trying a second hand chrome bumper Hicap on my 122x next week. Right now, the 122x is powered by the 24v rail on a flatcap2. I'm very curious whether I'll hear difference.
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

EG ·
Originally Posted by SGY: I'll be trying a second hand chrome bumper Hicap on my 122x next week. Right now, the 122x is powered by the 24v rail on a flatcap2. I'm very curious whether I'll hear difference. Yes, me too. Please, post when you have had a first listen!
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

SGY ·
Happy to.
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

Sloop John B ·
CD5x with HiCap, one word springs to mind, bloated. But then I do have a bass rich listening room. The flatcap is there for reason, sometimes more is too much
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

MartinCA ·
I've got a 112/150/CD5/FC2. When I bought the system, it was delivered without the FC connectors, and the sound without it was disappointing compared to the auditions. With the FC2 connected SQ was much improved, better balanced, and less 'glare'. I have recently upgraded to HCs on the 112 and the CD5. This was an opportunistic 2nd hand purchase in anticipation of getting a better preamp. I'd read comments suggesting that the HCs would be too much for the 112 and the CD5, but I haven't found...
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

pfm20532 ·
I would try a FC on your CD5 and forget 202, next step would better be a Nac 72/Hicap which should come in s/h priced below a 202. Hicap on CD5 is not my cup of tea, if this kind of money is budget I'd much better get a CDSII s/h or as a medium step a CDX or a Rega Saturn
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

Former Member ·
Originally Posted by EG: ... as some suggest - would the HiCap "overpower" the CD5x? Forum folklore, courtesy of hungryhalibut. A better power supply is a better power supply.
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

Bod2020 ·
I may have this wrong, but I always thought a few years ago people were all for recommending the Hicap for a CD5x, as Chief Chirpa says, a power supply is a power supply, and the Hicap just being a better (singular) supply than the Flatcap. I believe judgements were made that the 5x (with hicap) could better a bare CDX2. I personally haven't heard a 5x with a Hicap, so can't comment, but do remember reading about this a couple of years ago. Does the forum search function work now?
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

EG ·
Originally Posted by pfm20532: I would try a FC on your CD5 and forget 202, next step would better be a Nac 72/Hicap which should come in s/h priced below a 202. That's interesting. I'll start a new thread about this.
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

ray davis ·
I Use my 122x on hicap 2 and all sounds fine to me. I have the CD5i without the upgrade,which is a bit of a bugger. Then Stageline is running of FC2X. But i have the bits and pieces ready to upgrade pre and CD.
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

elkman70 ·
Originally Posted by Sloop John B: CD5x with HiCap, one word springs to mind, bloated. But then I do have a bass rich listening room. The flatcap is there for reason, sometimes more is too much Hicap on CD5x sounds great to me adding more depth. I suppose to some this could be interpreted as bloated. I also have a flatcap 2x at my disposal and think the HiCap sounds better IMO. Regards, Elkman
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

Sloop John B ·
Originally Posted by elkman70: Originally Posted by Sloop John B: CD5x with HiCap, one word springs to mind, bloated. But then I do have a bass rich listening room. The flatcap is there for reason, sometimes more is too much Hicap on CD5x sounds great to me adding more depth. I suppose to some this could be interpreted as bloated. I also have a flatcap 2x at my disposal and think the HiCap sounds better IMO. Regards, Elkman and what you prefer is all that counts, room dynamics and personal...
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

catalinmetal ·
well, i have got the chance to test, at last this thing that bothers my mind for over 4 years now: is it or is it not a benefit of adding the hi-cap on a cd5x? some of you here on the forum stated that flatcap in it's various incarnations, will be more than enough for the cd5x level, myself, for that matter, could never really found the flatcap 2x justify it's cost on a cd5x, nor it's benefits, marginal at best, but would found it interesting and useful on a nait XS pre-amp, however...
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

J.N. ·
I've recently upgraded my NAPSC to a new FlatCap XS to drive a Headline. On two occasions (once at a friend's place and recently at my dealer 'Signals') I tried a new style (non DR) Hi-Cap and didn't like it. It seemed to over-control/damp the Headline and reduce the fun, alacrity and PRaT of the music. The Hi-Cap is of course a much better quality and more substantial power-supply, and some may prefer its effect. And of course, it depends upon the tonal balance of the headphones in use and...
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

hastings ·
I don't know if "too much" is the issue but the fact is all the power supplies are designed and voiced to fit in somewhere specific. I haven't tried the hicap but I have tried the flatcap xs. It is a "better" power supply than the flatcap 2x but does the 122/150/cd5x no favours, making it edgy and lean. If you're going to upgrade any x series components avoid the flatcap xs . Avoid the hicap too - get your 202 first. A flatcap 2x does wonders on a cd5x btw, as does a powerline (should you...
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

Essad Ribic ·
i had cd5/122/150/fc2,hi cap did wonders with it when it replaced flatcap,had to readjust speaker position,though.
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

hungryhalibut ·
Originally Posted by Chief Chirpa: Originally Posted by EG: ... as some suggest - would the HiCap "overpower" the CD5x? Forum folklore, courtesy of hungryhalibut. A better power supply is a better power supply. Hungryhalibut is a very knowledgeable and wise ex-Forumite, so this advice is likely to be pretty good. I once had a CD5x, and tried it in three configurations: by itself, with a Flatcap 2x, and with a Hicap. Think of it like the three bears' beds in Goldilocks. Without any supply, I...
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

m0omo0 ·
It happens that I've just had the opportunity to try this for myself with a non-DR Hicap, but with a CD5 and not a 5x nor a 5XS. I must say I was very skeptical that it would not be better with a better PSU, but all things being equal, to my ears, in my system, with my speakers in my room, the Hicap doesn't work well with my CD5. Lower noisefloor, yes. More details, yes. More controlled bass, perhaps. But it is a mixed bag: sometimes the bass seems to disappear when some other times it...
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

Felix H ·
What you'll be able to hear of the HiCap effect might also depend on your amplification. When I tried HiCap with CD5XS through a 252/300 system (all PowerLined & HiLined, non DR) it did open up the CD5XS sound a lot, but the HC also added a hard character which got quickly tiring. I did like the bare CD5XS through that same system, and through HeadLine/HC/HD650. A truly musical if basic CDP. Haven't heard it with FC, but "baby bear's bed" is not hard to believe from LE's and m0omo0's ...
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Re: HiCap on cd5x and 122x - steroid overpower?

catalinmetal ·
as i've said before, i do understand the opposite points of view, for those who dislike hi-cap effect on their cd5/x/xs players, but as most of us suggested above the context is crucial... per se, a better power supply can only bring advantages! we speak strictly from a technical point of view... i do not agree though with those impressions, since dynamics and precision, separation and all other aspects which make good sound becoming great, is actually increased by using the hi-cap. instead...
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Re: HiCap or FlatCap?

LaurentM ·
I would like to thank you all for your answers. Well... Taking your advices into consideration adn after hours of listening, I moved to a Naim DAC for my CD5XS and must admit I'm more than happy. It seems I've now a brand new CDP. Thanks guys for your help. I've been listening to the CD5XS + HiCap2, CD5XS alone and CD5XS + DAC. It's amazing how the couple CD5XS+DAC works as compared to the CDP alone. I will probably consider some upgdrage in the future but wish to enjoy my system today as it...
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Re: HiCap or FlatCap?

James L ·
LaurentM Like yourself, I was looking for a CDP and looked at various machines including a McIntosh. I picked the CD5XS and then not long after added the nDAC. I now have the whole enchilada with a Supernait and HC2, a combination you should try. While not as powerful in terms of wattage vis-a-vis the McIntosh, the SN/HC is a far more exciting listening experience.
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