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Upgrade options - NAC 552 or NDS

Bert Schurink ·
Would appreciate the opinion of other forum members on what my next upgrade of my system should be:Either upgrade my NAC 252 to a NAC552orupgrade my CDX2-DAC-XPS combo to combo with the NDS At the end I am planning to make both upgrades - so it's...
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Harry ·
I can only speak from personal experience. Others will differ. The short answer from my POV is NDS now, 552 at your leisure. They both bring a lot of enjoyment to the party and have their own boxes to tricks. Put them together and job done. No need to come in here again, no need to ever leave the sofa!
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Engelbert ·
Without a doubt NAC552 is superior to NAC252. (Very few people here would argue with that.) You would need to listen to an NDS to know how it compares with your present source. (After all, it's a comparison between two fundamentally different technologies.) Not too many people here have had the chance to thoroughly audition the NDS yet. I've been fortunate enough to listen to a production model - with 555PS (DR). It was very good. One approach might be to first upgrade your XPS2 to a 555PS -...
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Re: Upgrade options - NAC 552 or NDS

Frank Abela ·
Bert, If you upgrade to an NDS, how will you play your CDs? I ask this because we were playing around with rips via the NDS the other day and it was surprising how much better a UnitiServe rip is than a rip made with iTunes, and then how much better the UnitiServe's server was, even when serving the iTunes rip instead of a Mac using Twonky as server! In order of preference, we thought it went iTunes rip/Twonky server > iTunes rip/UnitiServe server >> UnitiServe rip/server where the...
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james n ·
Did you guys have the Mac setup properly Frank - if two different servers were sounding different serving the same rip then something sounds amiss. I'd be a bit concerned if a dealer was having issues like this that could cause the customer to think he'd need to buy the most expensive 'ripping / serving' solution to get the best results James
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sheffieldgraham ·
Originally Posted by Bert Schurink: Would appreciate the opinion of other forum members on what my next upgrade of my system should be: Either upgrade my NAC 252 to a NAC552 or upgrade my CDX2-DAC-XPS combo to combo with the NDS At the end I am planning to make both upgrades - so it's just about priority setting ? The 552 has been around for a few years now and as such is well sorted in terms of performance improving modifications (DR excepted). The NDS is the new kid on the block and is...
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Re: Upgrade options - NAC 552 or NDS

Fred Mulder ·
Hallo Bert, When the NDS has a volumecontrole, connect it directly to the power amp. Sell the 252, shelve, powerlines.. The benefit from the 552 in combination with recent streamer/DAC, has given an interesting result Worth a try I'll get my coat now.... Cheers, Fred
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Re: Upgrade options - NAC 552 or NDS

Justin9960 ·
Originally Posted by sheffieldgraham: Originally Posted by Bert Schurink: Would appreciate the opinion of other forum members on what my next upgrade of my system should be: Either upgrade my NAC 252 to a NAC552 or upgrade my CDX2-DAC-XPS combo to combo with the NDS At the end I am planning to make both upgrades - so it's just about priority setting ? The 552 has been around for a few years now and as such is well sorted in terms of performance improving modifications (DR excepted). The NDS...
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Re: Upgrade options - NAC 552 or NDS

Former Member ·
Originally Posted by james n: Did you guys have the Mac setup properly Frank - if two different servers were sounding different serving the same rip then something sounds amiss. I'd be a bit concerned if a dealer was having issues like this that could cause the customer to think he'd need to buy the most expensive 'ripping / serving' solution to get the best results James +1 James is 100% right. There is no difference between bit perfect rips. So anybody finding a difference has one of the...
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Re: Upgrade options - NAC 552 or NDS

Hook ·
Hi Bert - Wow, these are two great options for sure! For me, the 252 to 552 upgrade was superb. Nothing could prepare me for the level of improvement... it was astonishing! So my heart says do this. On the other hand, my head says that source first is a tried and true principle....so, what to do? I would try and make a deal to trade in your CDX2/DAC/XPS for an NDS/555PS! It is an expensive move, but at least then you will know your source is sorted for a very long time. But, I would not do...
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Bert Schurink ·
Valuable input, interesting to see that opinions are quite different. I guess the only option I have to experience it myself and listen to the two options and have a discussion with my dealer. Would however still be interested in opinions of others as well. Let's see if more responses come in....
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Gale 401 ·
Originally Posted by james n: Did you guys have the Mac setup properly Frank - if two different servers were sounding different serving the same rip then something sounds amiss. I'd be a bit concerned if a dealer was having issues like this that could cause the customer to think he'd need to buy the most expensive 'ripping / serving' solution to get the best results James +1 from me also to what James has said above. Also i might add , So many people think they have there Mac settings 100%...
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thebigfredc ·
Best thing that ever happened to the AR was when the Royle Family were competing against each other by trying to guess the value of the item and, no-matter what the antique, the grandma would say oh I've got one of them in the shed. Ray
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Re: Upgrade options - NAC 552 or NDS

diamondblack ·
Originally Posted by Frank Abela: Bert, If you upgrade to an NDS, how will you play your CDs? I ask this because we were playing around with rips via the NDS the other day and it was surprising how much better a UnitiServe rip is than a rip made with iTunes, and then how much better the UnitiServe's server was, even when serving the iTunes rip instead of a Mac using Twonky as server! In order of preference, we thought it went iTunes rip/Twonky server > iTunes rip/UnitiServe server...
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rjstaines ·
Hi Bert, I just did both upgrades recently - I did the NDS first and then a few days later the 552. Both are jaw dropping upgrades, I can assure you, so there isn't a 'definately do this' answer, I'm afraid. For me, I would do the NDS first, running through your 252 - it sounds fantastic and you'll wonder why you hung onto your CD player for so long. And then when you go to the 552, you'll realise what the NDS is really all about !! You have a difficult decision ahead - 'bon chance' as they...
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Re: Upgrade options - NAC 552 or NDS

Bert Schurink ·
Originally Posted by rjstaines: Hi Bert, I just did both upgrades recently - I did the NDS first and then a few days later the 552. Both are jaw dropping upgrades, I can assure you, so there isn't a 'definately do this' answer, I'm afraid. For me, I would do the NDS first, running through your 252 - it sounds fantastic and you'll wonder why you hung onto your CD player for so long. And then when you go to the 552, you'll realise what the NDS is really all about !! You have a difficult...
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rjstaines ·
Originally Posted by Bert Schurink: Originally Posted by rjstaines: Just one additional question to you - are you ripping with Naim (Uniti) or are you ripping seperately ? I have an HDX for ripping & serving and I download FLAC Hi-Res from various well known sites.
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Do my promised NAC 552 need a revision ?

Guinness80 ·
Hi everyone, I am on the verge of buying a second-hand NAC 552 + PS from 2002. My dealer says that it is in perfect condition (and it sounds so) but I was wondering if a return to Salisbury would be an appropriate investment. I really want to get the...
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Length of DIN-XLR from 552 to 500

N500series ·
Dear all, I want to buy a customized DIN-XLR from 552 to 500 with length ~ 5m.Is this length effect the sound quality? Thanks.
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Re: Do my promised NAC 552 need a revision ?

Guinness80 ·
Hi, I just realised the dealer is not an "official" naim dealer, but a well-known hifi dealer (very nice, reliable and professional ... official country retailer for other marks such as dcs, spectral). Does it make any difference If I want to have my Naim serviced later on ? I ask the question since it is the first time I won't buy a naim device through an officially recognized naim dealer. If I have any problem, I can of course go back to the store where I bought it ... but will they be...
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Re: Do my promised NAC 552 need a revision ?

DavidDever ·
Just a thought–you could have the products checked and tested by the local distributor (at the seller's expense) as a condition of sale. In the US, we provide this service for a fee, which insures that, at some point, the equipment has been looked over and given the seal of approval, new carton when appropriate, etc.–especially for a unit that expensive, it may be worthwhile.
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Former Member ·
Two pence worth. Run it for a year or two, and enquire of Naim HQ how long before a service may be due. If it sounds well then leave it alone. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." ATB from George
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Mike Kent ·
Grab it with both hands. The 552 is a stunning bit of kit and you'll never regret buying it.
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BigH47 ·
It's possible the PSU could use some TLC /recap in a couple of years. Preamps can generally be left a while longer. You are unlikely to get accurate figures for service here. Best thing to do is mail the service department Mon- Fri and give them the Serial numbers, they can then tell you if the items have been back home , when they feel the items should be looked at and the estimated prices. It will sound superb as is , that I am sure. Get the item and re-acquaint your self to your music...
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Re: Do my promised NAC 552 need a revision ?

Darke Bear ·
Originally Posted by George Fredrik: Run it for a year or two, and enquire of Naim HQ how long before a service may be due. Excellent advice - that is exactly what I'd do. DB.
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Re: Do my promised NAC 552 need a revision ?

Michael_B. ·
Originally Posted by Darke Bear: Originally Posted by George Fredrik: Run it for a year or two, and enquire of Naim HQ how long before a service may be due. Excellent advice - that is exactly what I'd do. DB. +1
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js ·
Recap needed or not, a visit to the factory will give it a bit more. They tend to integrate anything they've learned about it over the years. That doesn't mean it won't be fab as is.
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DWootton ·
When i was looking to buy a second hand 500, i spoke to the factory and they said that because of the quality of the components used in the 500 range, they didn't need a service until 13-15 years old. Danny
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Re: Do my promised NAC 552 need a revision ?

Guinness80 ·
Thanks for all your answers. I realize that topics related to that that marvelous piece of kit is very exciting to people I think I'll keep with it for the time being. I am already happy enough to be the owner of such a nice device. A deal at 10.000€ is not an everyday opportunity !
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Edouard ·
Originally Posted by Guinness80: A deal at 10.000€ is not an everyday opportunity ! I think you could have found a more recent unit for that price. Anyway congratulations on your new 552 pre
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Re: Do my promised NAC 552 need a revision ?

Guinness80 ·
Edouard : "I think you could have found a more recent unit for that price. Anyway congatulations on your new 552 pre" Really ? I thought at 10.000€ (that is £8.500), it was an absolute good deal. I know it is not provided with powerline and R-com, but is the 2002 version different from the 2011 one ? I don't have much experience in secondhand 552, so would be interested to know how much is such a kit on the market. Edouard, what do you think would have been an appropriate price ? Which...
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Edouard ·
Guinness, I'm not an expert, it's just that I know a few people who took the plunge.
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Engelbert ·
Congratulations on your purchase! Engelbert
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DavidDever ·
Originally Posted by George Fredrik: Two pence worth. Run it for a year or two, and enquire of Naim HQ how long before a service may be due. If it sounds well then leave it alone. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." ATB from George Agreed–unless it's been buried in peat for a decade, it should sound excellent.
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Emil F ·
Originally Posted by Guinness80: Does anyone have a similar experience ? Yes. Most probably the service will be of help.
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Re: Length of DIN-XLR from 552 to 500

BigH47 ·
Don I'm much more of a roundhead sort of guy.
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tonym ·
Originally Posted by Darke Bear: But even with the superior new Snaxo design, you still need to dress the leads properly! DB. I know DB, but with the current length leads I can't do this and have the SNAXO in a better place than currently; as you know I've got certain domestic constraints!
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Ron Toolsie ·
Remember the cable that goes from the 552 to the 500 is unscreened/unshielded. Longer lengths will greatly increase the susceptibility to nasty RF breakthrough. I like to receive radio signals on the NAT01, not on the NAP500
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NickSeattle ·
I realize my comments move into the comic realm, but the installer-lads recommend in-wall-rated RG6 for ridiculously long line-level runs, terminated with BNC or, less optimally, RCA. I have been astonished at how good the results have been interconnecting as many as three disparate systems and a sub woofer via same. An inexpensive experiment and a few adapters will tell you if this works at all to your satisfaction. Of course this is not ideal; different kettle of fish entirely; but if it...
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Former Member ·
Another reason I'm surprised that the 500 series didnt go fully balanced throughout for its interconnects
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Cymbiosis ·
Originally Posted by tonym: when you end up with three amps in an active system it's a real problem trying to place the 362 crossover in the best place on a Fraim rack, not helped by the large bulge on the back of the 500s which the cables have to circumvent. Even an extra 0.25 of a metre to the length would make a significant difference. I'm now starting to think longer interconnects might be the lesser of two evils, given the sensitivity of the 362 to positioning. Or even better, Naim can...
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BigH47 ·
Is the original 5M long? No ,'nuff said.
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Don Atkinson ·
Originally Posted by BigH47: Is the original 5M long? No ,'nuff said. I wouldn't be quite so hasty. Let me be clear - I don't know, but I felt BigH's reply was a bit..........err...cavalier? First, it might not affect the sound. It probably will, but who knows, it might not. Second, if it does affect the sound, it might be for the better - to some ears at least. There might be scientific explanations for such an outcome. eg better separation between preamp and power amp. Better location of...
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Re: Length of DIN-XLR from 552 to 500

Richard Dane ·
N500, in the past, when a request has been made for a longer DIN-XLR lead, Naim R&D's opinion has been that a longer length will adversely impact on performance. Indeed, any run over 3m long may cause instability because the pre-outs on the PS are designed only to drive short runs and have been designed around the existing standard cabling. It may be possible to "slug" the leads to prevent instability, but then performance will still be adversely affected compared to the standard length.
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Darke Bear ·
Longer lengths do increase the cable capacitance the Pre needs to drive, but the 552 can certainly drive twice the standard Naim interconnect length with no problems, as that is what it does with every Naim Active system, where the Burndy loops-through the 552PS via another interconnect into the Supercap - and then on via yet another Burndy to the Snaxo. This is getting on for 4m in all, but Naim have chosen the connecting cable capacitance to work properly with their kit, so you can't just...
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Re: Length of DIN-XLR from 552 to 500

tonym ·
Although in the past I've been advised against fitting longer XLR interconnects to a 500, when you end up with three amps in an active system it's a real problem trying to place the 362 crossover in the best place on a Fraim rack, not helped by the large bulge on the back of the 500s which the cables have to circumvent. Even an extra 0.25 of a metre to the length would make a significant difference. I'm now starting to think longer interconnects might be the lesser of two evils, given the...
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Darke Bear ·
Originally Posted by tonym: ...Or even better, Naim can bring out a new DBL/NBL/SL2/SBL crossover based on the latest Ovator design! But even with the superior new Snaxo design, you still need to dress the leads properly! There is a 'magic length' of cable where it is not too long for capacitance to start to cause drive, phase lag and other problems in the output circuits of the Pre or Snaxo. You can also have the cable too short, as there is more going on than just connecting two boxes. DB.
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Goodbye 282 - I shall remember you fondly. Hello 552.

MDS ·
Regular readers might recall that I’ve twice tried a 252 in my system, expecting it to out-perform my 282. These were both long home demos but on each occasion, while the 252 dug out more detail, I found that on rock music the 252 just didn’t deliver the excitement I so liked about the 282 so the 282 stayed. A number of long-standing members on here said ‘try the 552’ . My dealer said the same. But the eye-watering price of the 552 caused me to wuss-out from even listening to it. However in...
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Re: Goodbye 282 - I shall remember you fondly. Hello 552.

Christopher_M ·
Good for you Mike! And a good read too. Best, C.
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Re: Goodbye 282 - I shall remember you fondly. Hello 552.

MDS ·
Thank you, Chris Mike
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