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UnitiServe SSD > died tonight + help with MinimServer

Adam Zielinski ·
Have to vent, hence this post. But also need some advice... Came back from our Easter break, fired up all the equipment as usual. UnitiServe kept on flashing, flashing, flashing. Tried all the usual tricks... to no avail. The most annoying thing is that this one is not even 1 year old. The previous one died at a tender age of 4 months So emergency procedure - fired up the MinimServer. The 'problem' is that my NAS directory has two folders at a root level: NaimDownloads and NaimRips. As far...
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Re: MinimServer transcode help

Mike Woodcock ·
Nigel, Andrew et al... Thanks so much for your help. MinimServer, MinimStreamer installed on NAS, MinimWatch on iMac. Just purchased license for dbPowerAmp. If PerfectTunes was available for Mac, I would have got that too. I love the thought of a GUI front end to help me manage/de dup/check tagging etc. Anyway, forecast for the weekend in my area is a heavy shower of 'bits', interspersed with the opening weekend of well know rugby tournament! Please, whatever you do, don't suggest that I pop...
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DelR ·
I was having issues getting this working correctly.
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Mike Woodcock ·
Quick follow-up - Has anyone tried transcoding AIFF to WAV? Typing diff:wav in the transcoding box didn't work?
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Mike-B ·
Did you mean to type diff:wav or aiff:wav .......... ??
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johnG ·
Assuming you have a Win computer on the network click on 'show hidden icons' (usually RH end of taskbar) and right-click on the green Minimwatch icon, select properties. Under the System tab at the bottom is the stream.transcode property - copy & paste the following into the field - flac:wav, dff:dopwav - (comma included) and click OK. Will now transcode flac to wav & dsd to dopwav.
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Dan43 ·
Make sure Minimstreamer package is installed also under packages tab.
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hungryhalibut ·
Mike - it's worth noting that the Minimserver website includes full details of how to do this, and many other functions too. The Minimserver forum is a mine of useful information, and if you can't find what you are looking for Simon, the man behind Minim, is incredibly helpful. For example, when I transcode FLAC to WAV it won't play on my Roberts radio, but I was advised to set the transcode to flac:wav,L16, which converts to WAV for the Naim and L16 for the Roberts. Amazing.
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Mike Woodcock ·
Sorry Everyone, I should have been clearer in my original post, I run in a Mac environment. I have installed the MinimServer for QNAP onto the NAS via the QNAP App site. I installed the Java download first and then MinimServer. When I access UPnP on my Naim app, it shows the MinimServer and I can see all the albums on there. Do I need to install something on the Mac as well? Nigel - I will checkout MinimServer website, I didn't know if this was a Naim setting or MinimServer setting...Very...
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hungryhalibut ·
Mike - you need to install MinimWatch on your Mac to be able to control and configure Minimserver, which is installed on your nas. Enter Minimserver in your search bar and you will find the Minim website. There is then a link that tells you exactly what to do. Minim is very simple to use, but very flexible, so it can seem a little complicated to configure. Just make a cup of tea, take a deep breath and go for it! Once configured, you can simply choose your music with the Naim app, as you are...
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Mike Woodcock ·
Thanks Nigel, Makes perfect sense as always - MinimWatch now installed. When I open it I get a Music Note icon at the top of the screen. I can go into that and select properties, and then system, but I can't see an option to transcode. However, progress being made - I will get onto the Minim website tonight and have a proper search!
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nbpf ·
This is because, as mentioned by Dan43, transcoding tasks are managed by MinimStreamer, not by MinimServer. After you have installed MinimStreamer, you should be able to transcode. Best, nbpf
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sjbabbey ·
nbpf is correct. Open the green music note icon>properties>system. There you should see a dialog box with "stream.transcode" at the bottom. This is where you should enter the values detailed by JohnG. Good luck!
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Mike Woodcock ·
DOH! Thanks guys, so, if I've got this right: MinimServer on NAS MinimStreamer and MinimWatch on iMac! Too many Minims!
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Andrew Everard ·
MinimStreamer installed on NAS via MinimWatch/Properties/Packages, and then you're all set: you'll get a line down the bottom of the MinimWatch/Properties/System window labelled 'stream.transcode', and you can enter 'flac:wav' or whatever you want there. Click 'Apply' and you're done.
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hungryhalibut ·
Yes, MinimStreamer needs to live on the nas with MinimServer. It is a bit fiddly to set up, but once you have got it all working, it should just pootle along happily.
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Mike Woodcock ·
I meant aiff?Apples lossless format?
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Eloise ·
AIFF is an (usually) uncompressed format the equivalent of WAV. Apple Lossless is a losslessly compress format the equivalent of FLAC. MinimStreamer doesn't support AIFF as an input format (iirc). You have to send those files to the renderer direct.
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Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Quick note - with the Naim ND network players you do not need to insert dff:dopwav and for performance reasons I feel it is better to remove redundant instructions. The minimserver can deliver the DFF files in the way Naim can understand without adding this requirement. For info I just have two commands in the stream.transcode property .... alac:wav, flac:wav Simon
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sjbabbey ·
True Simon. The transcode line dff:dopwav (or just dff:wav) is not necessary for ND streamers which can play dff files without the need for transcoding by the UPnP server. Mike has a UnitiQute which cannot play native dff files so transcoding from dff will be necessary for him.
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Mike Woodcock ·
Thanks SJBABBEY - When you are referring to DSD files - is that the same AIFF? My UQ will play AIFF but I would just like to transcode to WAV - I'm actually thinking an easier route is to batch convert the all to FLAC anyway!
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Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Hi. DSD files such as DFF files contain a type of digital encoding called a delta sigma bit stream .. Very simplistically the analogue signal is sampled as a single bit sample stream that is modulated at a very high rate, such that when it is filtered it gives an appropriate analogue value. AIF, FLAC and WAV files contain a type of digital encoding called Pulse Code Modulation. Simplistically it contains binary numbers representing the analogue wave form value at a point in time. The data...
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johnG ·
Simon, somewhat confused here now - the only way I can play a DSD64 .dff file with my NDX is when the Minimserver stream.transcode property is set to dff:dopwav - and NStream reports it as DSD format. The Minimstreamer user guide also states that for .dff the output format must be dopwav. Is there another way of playing .dff files with Minim ?
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sjbabbey ·
John, Minimserver should be able to send your dff files in their native form to your NDX without the need for any transcoding. Certainly Minimserver loaded on my QNAP can do this with my dsf files which are now playing on my NDS and showing in the app as DSD 2,822.4 kHz 5,644kbs. Try deleting the dff transcoding line in Minimserver and see if this works for you as I wouldn't expect there to be a difference between serving up dsf and dff files although I prefer the former which can be tagged...
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sjbabbey ·
Mike, I think the references to DSD have confused matters. You currently have your music files in AIFF format which as Simon has said is a lossless format. Your UQ2 can quite happily play AIFF Files up to 24 bit 192kHz resolution so there is not much really to be gained by decoding all your AIFF files to FLAC and transcoding to WAV on the fly. AIFF, FLAC and WAV are really simply containers for the PCM audio data. Minimserver can certainly serve your AIFF files to your UQ2 but, unfortunately...
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Mike Woodcock ·
Thanks SJBABBEY - It's not a big deal, I was initially just curious on the transcoding, but as its not possible, I will leave those that are in AIFF as is
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johnG ·
Tried Asset but no joy (works ok with flac). I get "Connecting....." then "No track playing" when trying dff or dsf. Did also try direct from NDX as suggested. I am going to leave it now for another time so thanks Simon and sjbabbey.
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sjbabbey ·
John, Can you confirm that you've installed Asset v5.1 on your PC Computer i.e. not on the NAS drive, and used Asset configuration to monitor the folder containing your dsf/dff files for audio files and set up a browsing tree. Finally Asset's Audio Format Streaming for DSF and DFF should be set to "as is".
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johnG ·
Hi - Yes to all of the above.
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johnG ·
OK finally success - I am still using the old NStream app on my ipad and in a lightbulb moment thought to try the new app on a Samsung tablet. So the old app doesn't stream native dsd - who would have thought.
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sjbabbey ·
Glad to read that this was just a simple issue and that you were able to solve it. ATB Steve
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Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Ahh ok, can the Uniqute play DSD files then? If it can't then I can't see how Dff:dopwav will work as the encoding is still DSD but Dff:wav will, as the DSD is transcoded to PCM. Simon
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sjbabbey ·
Simon, unfortunately the UQ cannot play native DSD files. However, Mike has a QNAP TS-251 which has an Intel Celeron processor which will enable Minimserver to transcode his dsf or dff files to 24bit wav. It involves downloading an updated ffmpeg converter (version 2.3 or later) and saving this to the server's public folder and pointing to the updated converter file location in the stream.converter dialog box on the Minimserver System tag. There are instructions on how to update the ffmpeg...
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johnG ·
Thanks sjbabbey - no the NDX doesn't play dff files without the dff transcoding line - maybe there is some other setting in Minimserver I am overlooking, completely mystified at this point.
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sjbabbey ·
John, Can you get hold of a sample dsf file (these are the DSD files I use) and see if minimserver will stream that natively without transcoding (if it does you will see both the sample rate and bitrate showing in the naim app whereas using dopwav only the sample rate is shown). The transcoding section of the user guide does indeed say that dff and dsf can only be transcoded to dopwav but we are trying here to stream in native DSD format without the need for transcoding into a pcm/wav...
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Andrew Everard ·
You can always convert the dffs to dsfs, which Minimserver should then play straight to any of the NDs with no probs at all. Maybe it's a case of the ND not 'seeing' the dffs due to their lack of metadata? Searching dff2dsf should get you the conversion software.
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johnG ·
Thanks again sjbabbey, & Andrew - still no joy this time with a dsf file and stream.transcode property set to "ffmpeg" so this will have to remain unsolved for the present - more pressing matters to deal with.
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sjbabbey ·
John, If you have a PC you could try downloading and installing the free/trial version of Asset UPnP (version R5.1) which can stream both dff and dsf files "as is" (unfortunately the Mac version of Asset is only up to R4.6.3 which doesn't yet support DSD). If you can try this with your dsf/dff files, it could pinpoint whether the issue is with Minimserver or somewhere else. BTW, what message do you get when you try to stream your native dff/dsf files? Is it the "Can't Play, Skip Track"...
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Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Strange, my firmware on my NDX directly seems to recognises DFF and DSF media from MinimServer directly. I definitely don't need put any transcode settings to repackage my DSD to be contained within a DoP WAV sample using MinimStreamer. My MinimServer and MinimStreamer are running on Linux on a RPi Clearly DSD packaged within a DoP WAV sample word is still DSD and it sounds like your NDX is correctly detecting it is DoP DSD data but is inefficient if you don't need to do it. My NDX does...
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MinimServer transcode help

Mike Woodcock ·
So, I have now setup my QNAP NAS TS251+ with 2 X WD Red 4TB drives running in raid 1. I have chosen to use MinimServer as my UPnP server. My question: How do I set the NAS/MinimServer to transcode on the fly? Do I need to do this from the NAS control panel, MinimServer etc? Many thanks as always
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Minimserver, upmpdcli and MPD. Thanks to Eloise and Andrew Everard!

nbpf ·
As some of you may know, my replay system is based on MPD running on a low power, fanless, headless, dedicated micro server connected to a Naim DAC via a UBS to SPDIF converter/isolator. I am extremely satisfied with the sound quality of this solution but there was an annoying problem: the system of tags supported by MPD is, for classical music, essentially unusable. I knew I could have tried a JRiver-based solution but I wanted a lightweight solution and I was not prepared to abandon MPD.
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gert ·
This is very interesting. Upmpdcli is new to me. The support for openhome is great. Gapless playback, seeking, it seems, everything you need is there. Can this system deliver 192/24? Do have the DAC connected to the π via USB directly, or does it require an π-soundcard with digital out?
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nbpf ·
Gert, until the day before yesterday Upmpdcli was new to me as well. I run MPD, Upmpdcli and Minimserver on a low-power fit-pc3, not a Raspberry Pi (I also have a Raspberry Pi and a Minimserver running on the Pi in my LAN, but this is another story).The Naim DAC is connected to the fit-pc3 via a M2Tech hiFace Evo USB to S/PDIF converter/isolator. Both the fit-pc3 and the M2Tech are powered by TP PSUs. The fit-pc3 is a very small, fanless microserver certified for Linux and Windows. It comes...
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Re: UnitiServe SSD > died tonight + help with MinimServer

Bart ·
Move one of those into the other...problem solved. Or create a new directory called MyMusic and drop them both into it.
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Adam Zielinski ·
Thanks Bart. question: how to handle artists that are in both folders. Merge them? Or just leave two subfolders Naim and NaimDownloads and let MinimServer handle it? My concern is tagging of the ripped WAV files. Adam
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Bart ·
Adam, just move the folders and let MinimServer handle it. Having just one folder per artist will be only for your visual benefit when browsing your files; the server will sort it all out! Tagging comes along for the ride with the individual files; the names of their folders is irrelevant.
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Adam Zielinski ·
Tested this option - unfortunately UnitiServe rips are tagged in such a way, that MinimServer does not recognise them sufficiently to handle the 'artist' sorting (for example). Folder view works ok, so will probably use that in the meantime.
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hungryhalibut ·
If they are original WAV rips, you will only see the individual tracks. Naim FLAC rips, backed up to a nas, will work on Minim. I'd advise anyone to convert any Naim WAV rips to FLAC, ready for the time when the US goes belly up. I'd also advise ditching the serve and using Minim on a nas, which is far easier all round.
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Bart ·
Adam my fault - I read too quickly. I now understand it's your music STORE on the nas and that you ripped to WAV. Yes, those wav files can probably only be used in the folder view by MinimServer Many of us with uServe converted over to letting the serve rip in flac, and convert already ripped wav files to flac, to avoid this eventuality. The uServe's flac rips are tagged with the usual Album and Artist tags and the artwork is present, and thus could be used as I described above. The wav rips...
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Adam Zielinski ·
Will do so (start ripping to FLAC). As soon as the US is back from the service, will get it to convert all my rips to FLAC as well. For now I will soldier on with a Folder View in MinimServer. Adam
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