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Unitiserve backups.....on the cheap

lescouse ·
Hi, first time poster.....so bear with me I have a Unitiserve 2Tb which I love, it now has some 1000+ CDs ripped on it and....is not backed up!!!! I run the US on my wifi using a netgear wifi Ethernet adaptor, which works great. I do not want to invest in NAS simply because my wife will execute me if any more cables appear in the living room. So my thinking and has anyone else tried this idea - Stick a crossover Cat5e/6 cable into the Eithernet port on the UServe and then into the Ethernet...
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AndyF ·
Chrissu - I gave up at 192.168.1.70. Glad I did as it turns out the address is 192.168.1.248! Had a quick try putting that IP into my iMac browser (Safari) but didn't come up with anything - will spend more time on it tonight. one thing that does occur to me, the Naim SetIP Tool doesn't provide a facility to enter a specific IP to make the initial connection, it simply scans looking for a server and allows you to change the address once connected. Not sure this is taking me anywhere.
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Phil Harris ·
Hi, If the UnitiServe has been set to a fixed IP address for a NaimNet setup then it will need reconfiguring using the NaimNet / NetStreams software which only runs on a Windows PC ... randomly poking around looking for it will probably not result in anything other than frustration. It's a great shame that the dealer sending out this unit didn't reset it to DHCP before it was sent out. If you have access to a Windows PC then I can reset the unit to DHCP remotely using the NaimNet /...
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AndyF ·
Thanks for the contribution Phil, appreciate it. It would require co-ordination of me having my office laptop at home at a time you are able to log in to my network. To be honest rather than either of us go to that hassle I may as well wait for my US to arrive, which the branch said on Friday they think will be sometime this week. Regards Andy
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Phil Harris ·
No problem ... Hope you enjoy it. If you need a hand setting it up then just drop us an email and we'll try to help... Phil
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Bart ·
That's for that, Phil. My own experiences with the workgroup setting must have been an example of observing a result and implying cause / effect on my part. Thanks for clearing it up!
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AndyF ·
I've brought my office laptop home and downloaded the Naim IP Tool on it and have directly plugged the ethernet cable from the US into the laptop. It can't see it. Tried re-booting the US but still nothing. If the IP has been set or if it is on a 'local; setting to ignore the internet to just play cd's, do I try another means of connection - e.g. usb? How do I make a US 'discoverable'? Otherwise I'm just taking this loan US back to the dealer.
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ChrisSU ·
I think you need to leave the US on your network then try to find it with the laptop. Workgroups? I thought that was a Windows thing.
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AndyF ·
Thanks Chrissu Workgroups does = Windows, but then Naim appear to like Windows rather than Apple - WAV is the native file format not AIFF and the desk top client / IP tool said to give the best range of tools is for Windows - probably half the problem.
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Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Chrissu, OK plug your laptop and uS into your router switch.. Let the laptop gets its IP address from your router (DHCP). Ensure when the US is plugged into your router switch port, the LED is lights on the router switch port to the US. now run the Naim tool. It should use a low level device discovery protocol that doesn't need IP addresses to work. Hopefully once the tool is finds your US you can resolve. Set to DHCP. Really bad idea not using DHCP on clients if that's the course. Simon
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Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Btw I skimmed the US manual, and didn't see the IP set tool mentioned.. So not sure it's compatible, others will confirm.. might need a factory reset, as DHCP is the default mode of operation.
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AndyF ·
Thanks for the replies Simon. I now have both the US and Windows laptop connected by ethernet cables directly into the Apple AirPort Extreme. On my iPhone I'm running Net Analyzer - an app that Phil from Naim recommended on another thread. The app identifies the laptop but not the US. I've tried re-booting the US but to no avail. TBH I'm not sure what name the US would show - I have a couple of Unknown's but one has Hewlett Packard against it and the other Apple so I'm guessing its not...
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Simon-in-Suffolk ·
I would call your dealer to see what they have done to your borrowed US. I am not sure the Net Analyzer will work - really that is only a consumer tool to show device responsiveness and the responsiveness of certain application services once correctly setup. So - assuming no fault anywhere - you need to get the US into working as DHCP - not being that familiar with the US and reading the manual - that should be default operation or requires a device reset. Apparently if the device doesn't...
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AndyF ·
Thanks again Simon, Spoken to my dealer - they're contacting the branch it came from to see if there are any ideas as to what's what. Will update when i can, Cheers Andy.
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ChrisSU ·
Is your Airport Extreme also your DHCP server? Mine isn't, it's connected to an ISP provided box which does that. If so, try connecting the Unitiserve to your ISP modem/router. You might be able to see it there, and set an IP address in its settings menu if necessary.
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ChrisSU ·
...also, have you looked in either N-Serve for Mac (NOT the iOS version) or the Desktop Client to see what IP address the Unitiserve has? At least you might be able to see if it's had an IP address allocated to it, and maybe which server has controlled it .
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AndyF ·
Latest update is the branch dealer who supplied the US to my local branch have confirmed they set a fixed IP address as the US had previously been used in a NaimNet configuration and then didn't reset it to DHCP. So now I know the problem I need to get at it somehow. I've tried connecting both directly to my Sky Hub as Chrissu suggested but still can't see it as the IP range the Sky Hub is looking at appears to be the same as my Apple AirPort Extreme - i.e. 192,168.0.xxx rather than...
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Re: Connecting a Unitiserve-SSD to an Apple network

ChrisSU ·
Do you know which device is acting as DHCP server for your network. My understanding is that it's best to let your Sky router do that rather than the AE. If you now know the Unitiserve IP address, type that into a browser (Mac or PC) and you should see the DTC. In Settings > System Status you'll be able to see all the device's network settings (DHCP status, MAC address, etc.) If you look in UPnP settings, there is a 'reset to defaults' option, but I'm fairly sure this will not affect the...
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hungryhalibut ·
If you install fing on your iPad it will show you the IP addresses of everything connected to your network.
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Bart ·
Not QUITE right. The uServe runs a version of Windows, and the workgroup name that the uServe wants is naim, not the standard default of home. Whether you're accessing the uServe from a Mac, or a PC, you need to take account of this. The uServe is perfectly happy connecting to Macs as well as PC's. But it won't be happy with either until the workgroup name is set to naim, as far as I understand (and experienced when I first set mine up ~ 4 years ago).
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AndyF ·
Hungry halibut - That sounds like the Network Analyser app which I have, but as someone else has said these apps only tell you what devices are actually connected and therein lies the problem - it's not connected. Chrissu - I don't know the full IP address I'm waiting for the branch to text me but a search on 192.168.1 suggested thats a range generally used by Linksys routers - I guess I could try increasing he last digit by 1 each time...192.168.1.1, 192.168.1.2
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ChrisSU ·
Yes, you might well find it by trial and error like that. Just type the IP addresses into a browser until a Naim screen appears....
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AndyF ·
Thanks Garyl, from the reference manual I think you're probably right that it is operating in 'local' mode. I'll hook up a Windows laptop to it later and try that.
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Bart ·
There is nothing "special" you need to know to use Apple home networking hardware, other than by default Apple routers use a different range of IP addresses than most others use (most others use the 192.168.1.XXX range). If the nServe is set to get an IP address dynamically, there should be no issues. If, as Gary surmised, it has been set to a fixed IP address, you need to un-do that. Something that the nServe seems to require, which as far I can tell still is not documented, is that you...
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AndyF ·
Thanks for the tip re naming the workgroup Bart.
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garyi ·
It sounds like your borrowed device is set to a specific IP or DNS which is not your networks. I don't know how to factory reset US, but assume its possible. If not then you need to find a PC in order to use the naim IP tool to set the IP settings of the US to either an IP/DNS in range on your network or to DHCP.
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Re: Unitiserve backups.....on the cheap

ChrisSU ·
You can put a backup NAS in any location as long as it's connected to your network. The initial backup is best done wired as it's going to take a while, but the regular incremental backups will be fine with a wireless leg in between, so you can hide that nasty plastic box out of sight in another room.
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Mike-B ·
Sounds a bit complicated, why not back up straight into a USB HD??? Plug it in > back up > remove. ...... Store it somewhere safe & run a new back up as & when new albums get loaded. The first backup will take a bit more than an hour or so, but incremental's take around 1 minute or less depending on the new material I use a WD My Passport Ultra 2TB USB-3. Its about 10cm x 10cm (pocket size) & its formatted & ready to go. You can find them on www, but they are on £50...
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Re: Unitiserve backups.....on the cheap

lescouse ·
Mike-B My understanding is that you cannot backup via the USB port Have you successfully backed up a UServe? Or someother device You answer is very interesting and exactly what I wanted to do.
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Mike-B ·
I am not a UServe user (sorry) I have a Synology NAS & I do it exactly as I describe. But I'm pretty certain it can be done, maybe a UServe owner can advise on the exact set-up path for a USB connection.
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ChrisSU ·
You can't attach a backup to the USB sockets on the US. The only 'official' way to do it is to a NAS, although maybe there's some sort of workaround I'm not aware of to do it to a cheap USB drive. I do put my Unitiserve CD rips onto a Sony Walkman simply by opening the two drives on my computer and dragging the folders I want from one device to the other. Restoring the US from such a drive would be a different matter altogether - I imagine it might work if you had FLAC, not WAV, and restored...
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alan33 ·
As ChrisSU says, you only need to find a place on your network where you can attach your USB drive (apart from the US itself). In another thread, there is a discussion on putting a USB drive directly onto the router and using it to serve media. This is possible with many modern routers, and what you want to do is even more common. If your router has a USB port, mounting a USB drive there will result in a drive that can be mapped / mounted on your various network devices. You could think of...
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Re: Unitiserve backups.....on the cheap

lescouse ·
My crossover cable should arrive any day, I will give my madcap idea a try and see what happens! What this space........
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alan33 ·
If you used a switch to connect your MacBook and your US, and manually assigned static IP addresses in the same subnet to the two devices, you would not need the crossover cable. If the US is capable of joining an ad hoc network and recognized that there was a MacBook at the other end of the wire, you wouldn't need a cross over cable. Will be really interesting to see how your madcap scheme works. (Would also like to understand why this doesn't "just work", if both your US and your MacBook...
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ChrisSU ·
I strongly recommend that you call Phil Harris at Naim support, who will be able to get you up and running. When I did mine, he emailed me some instructions on how to do this with a Synology NAS. They were based on an old version, but still easy enough to follow. Phil also offered further help, including doing a remote login so that he could do it for me; I didn't need this, but it was good to know that his support was there if I needed it. Also, here are a few notes I took at the time,...
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hungryhalibut ·
Very impressive, and much better than anything I could have posted.
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badger1963 ·
Many thanks chrissu. Looks very comprehensive. Will give it a go.
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ChrisSU ·
With a memory like mine, I soon realised I would never remember what I'd done if I ever had to repeat this, so I surprised myself be taking a few notes for future reference. If they help anyone else too, so much the better.
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David Hendon ·
When I tried to setup my Synology NAS to backup my US, I got totally stuck although I was following instructions from a posting on the Naim FAQ pages. So I phoned Naim support, Phil came on the phone, I explained where I had got to and he immediately suggested remoting into my PC. He played around for a couple of minutes confirming that the NAS wasn't behaving correctly and then said he would reset up the NAS from scratch. So we hung up the phones and on my PC I watched him reset the NAS to...
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hungryhalibut ·
While Phil is brilliant, and I very much enjoyed our chats when he has dialled into my (then) UnitiServe, it really shouldn't be so bloomin' hard to get it to back up. The best thing I ever did was get rid of it - all I do now is plug a portable USB drive into the Synology and backup is a breeze. One would imagine a tweak to the Serve's backup routine would save a lot of people a lot of angst.
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Jan-Erik Nordoen ·
The UnitiServe needs to see an empty share on the network, designated by the Desktop Client as a backup. Sounds easy, but can be a real faff in practice... As Mike suggests, I backed up (well copied actually) about 1300 albums, wirelessly, onto a 2TB USB drive plugged into a MacBookPro, using Finder. It took about 30 hours.
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lescouse ·
That sounds good, however for some reason, my macbook refuses to see the US, I might delete the app and reinstall and see if that. Brings it back to life. Then try your method Thanks!
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Jan-Erik Nordoen ·
Deleting DTC and reinstalling won't help. You need to 'permanently mount' the US on the Mac (I do this under System Preferences / Users and Groups / Login items). There are other methods that require a little programming (search online) to ensure that the Mac always logs in to the US at each startup, but the Login option works for me. Jan
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lescouse ·
yeah you are spot on I deleted and it made no difference, just about to reboot the mac and see if your suggestion solves my problem thanks
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ChrisSU ·
Is this USB drive your backup for the Unitiserve, and have you tried to restore from it? I've always understood that you couldn't do a proper restore from a USB drive, only from a full-blown NAS.
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lescouse ·
still not seeing the US - not sure what happened for ages it worked perfectly - then one day stopped working i will try the crossover cable
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Jan-Erik Nordoen ·
(In reply to Chris) You could be right. I have restored in the past (with dealer help), from a copy of the MQ folder. I don't know if they did it from a drive or a NAS. The important thing for me was to have a copy of the data. It can be transferred to a NAS later if required.
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Jan-Erik Nordoen ·
Have you tried setting the US as a Login item ?
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hungryhalibut ·
Getting the UnitiServe to back up to a nas was the the most challenging thing I've ever had to do in connection with the stereo. No process could be less intuitive, and were it not for the help of Forum members I'd never have succeeded. Once all the albums were ripped I sold the damn thing. Using a computer to rip to a nas is so much easier. It's cheaper, more controllable, easier to back up and you can get decent album art, unlike the ropey low definition art that the Serve seems able to...
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blythe ·
I have previously, with an HDX (which I imagine would show the files & folders in a similar way to the Unitiserve) simply copied the MQ folder on the HDX to a USB attached hard drive. That was using Finder on my Mac. I'm sure you'd be able to do the same on File Explorer (or whatever it's called) on Windows. It did however take around 24 hours to copy 1100 FLAC files - wirelessly.
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