Tagged With "N272"

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XLR interconnects

fernar ·
At the moment my N272 is driving my power amp using RCA interconnects...  However my power amp also accepts XLR interconnects - so I was wondering if there would be any benefit in replacing the RCA interconnects and connecting the N272 to the power amp using a pair of 4-pin DIN to XLR cables? (I believe the cables I will need are the same cables that would be needed to connect a NAC252+Supercap to a NAP300). I know that XLR connects tend to used with balanced connections (between...
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Upgrade from XPS2 to XPS DR

fernar ·
My N272 is now about two months old and I am enjoying it very much.... today I have upgraded the power supply from a XPS2 to a XPS DR... I know I will have to go through the 'burn-in' period - but fresh after installing the new XPS DR and giving it about 1 hour of warm up time, I was curious to hear how bigger a difference there was between the N272 running on a XPS2 vs XPS DR. I can say already that there are differences - bass is better controlled - initially I thought that the bass was...
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

dsc ·
Wonderful to have a grand piano but not a good idea to have the Hi-Fi in the same room because the latter could excite resonances in the piano strings. You might have the piano playing along unintentionally! Going back to your OP, you might like to consider PMC speakers. With many speakers, the bass seems to disappear at low volumes. Not so with PMC. I would also recommend them very highly for the genres of music that you listen to.
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

Gaius: Tangerine ·
I'm getting great results with Kudos C20s, very good all round speaker and it's all there down low. For context driven by 72/Hicap DR/200.
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

joerand ·
I've only heard S400's at a dealer's, driven by Naim amplification. The attribute that most impressed me was their commanding sound at low volume. They retain a dynamic presence played low that no other speaker I've heard can match. That was years ago when I considered them way out of my league. Now a s/h pair is on my demo horizon. It will be interesting to see if my listening room can capture that same magic.
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Hi, although not the DR version of the 250, I find ATC SCM 19 mk ii work exceedingly well with the 250 at low volume.. much of my very late night listening is done at lower volume.. They also sound good at mid and high volume too i am impressed how well the 250 works with many speakers at low volume, with the 200 I found I had to wind it up a bit with my ATCs.. Must be something to do with the control, grip and resolution of the 250. Simon
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

Steve GTX ·
I've not tried electrostatic - could be worth a look!
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

Steve GTX ·
PMC have had great reviews but many say (on this forum) that they can be boring - I think that they are certainly worth a trial.
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

Steve GTX ·
Thanks for the feedback but I think I would rather floor standers. Having said that ATC make a great speaker - A good friend has them and they suite his listening room.
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

ChrisSU ·
Beware of square rooms, they are very likely to have poor acoustics.
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

Steve GTX ·
Tell me about it! I've had to install acoustic panels on the wall to stop the piano's harmonics bouncing around the room.
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

ChrisSU ·
Well if you've already got that one covered, maybe it'll make a good listening room after all - at least for piano solos!
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

kaydee6 ·
Check out the harbeth shl 5+. Great speakers for low volume listening.
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

Huge ·
I find that the Spendor SP2s work well in that regard. (And it's not a brand loyalty thing either, because the Spendor A5s are just the opposite!) However it woulds be a good idea to give a lot more information Location (room size) Equipment (UQ2 ... 500 series?) Genres of music etc. Then you may get some useful answers. P.S. SP2s are very easy to drive and will work on a UQ2 even though they're twice the cost of a UQ2!
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

dayjay ·
I haven't heard them on the end of that system but one of the reasons I chose my Focal 926s was that sq was still excellent at low volume (and at high volumes too when they just seem to get louder without the overall sound changing too much)
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

Fueller ·
Neat speakers are very communicative at all volume levels. I'm most familiar with the momentum range SX3i / SX51 which would work very well with 272/250. This isn't a recommendation based on personal ownership though, I like to play at reasonable levels and have Dynaudio Contours which need some welly to come to life.
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

Leith ·
I am only a week into using a pair of Ovator s600's having had a pair of the S400's previously but they do seem very good at low as well as high volumes. They are able to create a very large and detailed sound at a low volume. They may even stop me getting into trouble with SWMBO!
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

Huge ·
Steve, apologies I just realise you specified your equipment in the thread title. The new forum is just so messed up that a for a dyslexic such as myself, it's almost impossible to pick up on things like that.
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

blownaway ·
Agree the Harbeth HL5+ is a great choice. A wonderful sound at low volume.
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

ChrisSU ·
My Kudos X2s are certainly the best speakers I've owned for low volume listening - not that I've owned that many. I think the ability of the power amp to control the speakers is equally important at low volumes, but I'm sure you're on safe ground with your 250DR. Are your current speakers a problem in this respect?
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

Steve GTX ·
Hmmmmm. One of the speakers that has been recommended is the S400. How do these perform at low volumes?
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

Steve GTX ·
Should add, I'm looking at floor standers...unless I can be convinced otherwise!
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

Slim68 ·
My S400's are Brilliant with a NAP200, I would love to hear them on a 250DR.
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

James L ·
My ProAc D40R's sound full range at low levels and play really loud without ripping your ears off.
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

Huge ·
You still haven't chosen to help yourself by telling us: the size of room (and any other relevant listening conditions) the music genres to which you listen So to quote Dragon's Den "I'm out".
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

Steve GTX ·
Fair point but don't leave me now ....................you will miss me! The room is about 7m x 5m, carpeted and furnished in a rather attractive colour combination, where the red accents match my bloodshot eyes! However, I may move it all into another room 6m x 6m that has, amongst other things, a bloody great big grand piano against one wall. I listen to most genres, with a strong emphasis on Piano music of all types; closely followed by Jazz, Classical, Blues and Female Vocals but...
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

Leith ·
The S400's that we had previously were also good at low volume but the S600's are even better as one would expect. The S600's have a much greater 'out of the speaker' sound to them and work a lot better in off-axis situations. They just seem to fill the room with music even at low volume levels. We will often listen to music whilst having dinner in our dining room which leads off from the room with system in and the sound depth and detail is very good in there also. Once again the S400's...
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

bicela ·
Considering an electrostatic loudspeakers? I use Quad 2812 with your configuration with great pleasure and especially with the music genders you mention are very good. ESL are quite expansive, not for all. But there are around very good used pairs of old models. Even ex-demo with warrant from certified dealers.
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

Andy P ·
Just to throw something in the mix. I have Sonus Faber Olympica II, they were used on my SU (upgraded yesterday to 272/250). In my opinion they offer a very full and detailed sound at relatively low volume. I am listening to Clapton now at 16 on the volume and the sound is pretty good. Obviously it does still open up when you increase the volume. The type of music does make a huge difference though.
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Re: Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

Kiwi cat ·
I am currently listening to my 272/250DR via Ovator 400s at a volume on 15 and Roger Waters Live sounds great. Speakers 3.5 m apart in a 6x4m room and image beautifully as well.
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Re: N272 Volume Control knob

David Hendon ·
My NAC N272 volume control knob is much stiffer than the knob on my SuperUniti and I was also surprised when I discovered that. It's only a month, but the N272 hasn't got noticeably less stiff. Mind you it doesn't get a lot of use because I tend to use the app. best David
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Re: N272 Volume Control knob

hungryhalibut ·
One has to be careful to avoid double entendres on these 'knob' threads, so choosing my words carefully I will say that the knob action on my 272 is exactly the same as that on my previous SuperUniti. Both turn easily, and both are/were silky and smooth. If your knob is too stiff and you find using it uncomfortable, perhaps you should ask your dealer to send it back to Naim for a little lubrication or a replacement. On the other hand, if it's not that irritating, just live with it. The fate...
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Re: N272 Volume Control knob

David Hendon ·
It's all a matter of whatever turns you on.......
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Re: Choice of DIN or RCA

David Hendon ·
Naim reckon the DIN sound better than phono, but personally I think this is at the extreme edges of reality and if it were me I would use whichever arrangement is most convenient. I expect there will now be some forum members who will contradict me, but anyway the bottom line is that you can try each and choose. i think you will find your N272 improves slowly for weeks. I have also heard that it can get worse again before it gets better. How much this is actually the equipment changing and...
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Re: N272 Volume Control knob

Huge ·
Isn't that the switch at the back?
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Re: N272 Volume Control knob

GraemeH ·
That then is what my teenage kids would call... an 'epic fail'! Dick Emery would indeed be proud! G
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Re: N272 Volume Control knob

David Hendon ·
Not with Naim, because you leave the power on all the time and just turn up the volume to "turn it on"! (That's the best I can come up with, to what was a very fair challenge.) And as Graeme implies, I also think we should all hold HH in awe for his wonderful input to this discussion yesterday. I hope the OP has found this all to be useful! best David
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Re: N272 Volume Control knob

SongStream ·
Awesome.
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Re: Choice of DIN or RCA

fernar ·
Thankyou for your comments... I got the RCA to DIN cable and tried it both as a AV pass though and connected to SACD player... there was a slight difference in sound - although I could not say one was better than the other - just different... In the end decided to use it with SACD player...
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Speaker recommendations at Low Volume, to pair with N272 & 250DR

Steve GTX ·
Hi Guys,  Still not made a decision with regard to speakers but I have noticed that many speakers do not seem to perform until the volume is cranked up. Can anyone recommend speakers that can bring out the detail at low volume?   Steve  
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Tidal streaming over satellite connection to NAC-N272

Atherton ·
Hi, Is anyone out there successfully streaming Tidal Hifi using a satellite internet connection? My NAC-N272 simply stops playing after anything from a couple of minutes upwards, and it's then necessary to re-start the track. It's not a line speed issue, as the line is running at 20gb and the 272 is direct connected to the router. My supplier mentioned latency as a possible cause, but I have no problem playing Tidal Hifi on other streaming devices. Thanks.
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Basically Sound l DR Power Amplifiers

NaimAudio ·
Centred around the astonishing NAC-N272 streaming pre-amplifier which was launched earlier this year, we will be taking you through the various power supply upgrade options that are available to use with this amazing product. Additionally, we will...
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Choice of DIN or RCA

fernar ·
HI everyone - I am new to the forum - after just purchasing a new N272... After purchasing a cast-away from a friend (ND5 XS) from a friend to replace a Marantz NA7004 streamer, I wondered how much a SQ improvement I could get with a N272 - after a visit to my friendly dealer and a home trial over a few days before X-Max, I place an order for a N272.... This is now taken over stereo pre-amp duties from my trusty Tag McLaren AV23R which has been with me for many many years from new...! The...
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N272 Volume Control knob

fernar ·
Very please with my N272 (still less than 100 hours old). While trying all the functions - I noticed that the volume control know was a stiffer to turn vs the home demo unit that my dealer lent me. In fact I went into his dealership to make sure that what I recalled was in fact true - what I discovered is that the stiffness of the knobs seems to different by device - so his N272 had a very loose easy to turn volume knob - his N252? pre-amp's volume know was stiffer, and the balance control...
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Re: XLR interconnects

fernar ·
I have just got a response from Naim support advising me to stick with my RCA connections - since my power-amps XLR input is a balanced input - it appears that I would not gain anything mixing a unbalanced source with balanced input... Being new to the world of NAIM, I must say that I am most impressed with the NAIM support - they are both prompt and informed..... I am really impressed.....
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Re: Tidal streaming over satellite connection to NAC-N272

Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Hi - as I have said several times on the forum - streaming audio with small TCP receive buffers such on our Naim streamers requires a relatively low two way latency (round trip delay) - the bandwidth itself is mostly irrelevant unless its so small there is significant queuing. I am afraid most Satellite services just cant do that - because the speed of light to and from the geo stationary satellite is the limiting factor and typically you see 600mS round trip delay just for the satellite...
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Re: Tidal streaming over satellite connection to NAC-N272

Atherton ·
Simon, Thank you for your helpful reply. I did search the forum for information on this subject first but didn't find the posts you refer to. Is there something different in the way Tidal streams its data compared to other sources? For example, I don't experience any issues streaming hi-res internet radio to the NAC (or, indeed, BBC i-Player to my TV) over the same connection. If so, is this something that you think might be addressed in the future? I have also contacted Tidal on this...
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Re: Tidal streaming over satellite connection to NAC-N272

Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Richard, yes I struggle with the search on this forum sometimes.. to your point, no there is nothing special about Tidal that I have seen at the TCP level - however it appears it does get bursts of business and corresponding increased latency from time to time- not least the latency back to the Tidal servers. This can vary from Tidal media server to server - tracks are streamed from different servers no doubt to optimise load on the Tidal server end. This coupled with the relatively small...
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Naim nac n272

Rjt36 ·
Hello all, This is my first post. I was a very loyal Cyrus user - until my Dacxp+ and cdxtse2 went wrong for the third time. The dac having developed a static/crackling fault and the CD player skipping and failing to eject discs. So, having returned the units again, I was very kindly lent a 272, which hooked up to my Cyrus Mono x300s and Vienna Acoustic Baby Grands sounds amazing (using tidal and Iradio). However, when my cd transport eventually returns from Cyrus, can you please help me by...
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Re: Naim nac n272

Richard Dane ·
Connecting via Coaxial s/pdif would probably be my preference, in which case find out if the Cyrus connects signal ground to mains grounding the transport. If so, you should set the 272 to float, if not, set to ground. As to the choice bwteen DIN or RCA phono, it's my experience with Naim that the DIN is always preferable, all else being equal, even when only DIN at one end and RCA phono at the other.
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