From what I understand the non-cutout versions have to be "stood off" the cabinet. If you could live with that then fine. I afraid with my sort of OCD type thingy it would drive around the bend, knowing it wasn't "correct".
I have the Puresound grilles, and thought they made a very positive difference to how smart my SBLs look. I ran the supplied Velcro strips around the outermost edge of the cabinets, and can't see them in situ at all. I couldn't hear any SQ difference in comparison with the (admittedly a bit old & tatty) originals. And given how much cheaper they are than the alternatives, I'm very pleased with them. I'll attempt a picture or two: Close up:
Yeah, i've been laughing at that for donkeys years, wot it should say is: The SBL is designed to be used with its foam grilles in place, both frequency and phase response will sound minutely affected when used without them if you have the hearing of a long eared fruit bat." The acoustic differences of one room to another will affect the sound thousands of times more than the grilles, so why worry so much about them? SBL grilles do come in handy if you have children in the room who like...
I wish I'd never sold mine, dammit. I do like to see pictures of well cared for SBLs; with or without grilles they just look so 'right'. I find them so aesthetically pleasing. I know they were a devil to set up, but they produced a realistic and refined sound. And with such a small footprint, and needing to be close to the rear wall, they didn't invade into the living space. One of Naim Audio's classic products IMHO - along with the NAP250 (which I never owned), the NAT01, Nait 1 & 2,...
Thanks Fozz. Those do look very nice I will say. The top runs parrallel to the cabinet too I notice, opposed to the pure sound ones being cut at 90 degrees. Still, £120 more I'm not sure it's worth it..... The other option is the other eBay ones that feature a cut out. I'll see if I can track the guy down. Thanks fellas
I loved my SBLs. Truly exceptional product. But the call of the DBL was too much to ignore. If you like SBL, then DBL will blow you sideways. Everything the SBL does, and then more. More of everything -- loudness, dynamics, speed, clarity, bass extension, with no downsides other than physical volume
I've heard (and seen) DBLs just once, August 22nd, 2008: I was visiting Naim and in a dept I remember as a sort of carpenter's lab, a pair was being tested with a Nait2. I don't remember anything special safe their important looks and a sort of disquieting transparence that made them seem a very big, bold man unexpectedly reading Shakespeare with the voice of a mannered tenor. I think that the minute I had the space for them, I'd look for a pair.
I well remember listening to your DBLs for the first time Jon. My immediate reaction was one of amazement, rapidly followed by the awareness of how much like SBLs they sounded, a "House" sound if you like, but as you post, better at everything. SWMBO still blames you for my pair! (She loves you really...) It's worth pointing out that DBLs, although formidably large and intimidating from the front, sit close to the wall and are only 7cm deeper than SL2s. I loved my SBLs too, which is why I...
Apart from a slight amount of dust (I'm sure I could have vacuumed it off), my SBL grilles remained in perfect condition for 15 years. In fact until we got a cat and she decided she liked chewing them. I'd walk into the lounge and find small speckles of foam on the carpet. Thank goodness that S600s have metal grilles. Also the sloping tops mean she's never tried to jump on top of them. Still waiting for her to try that with the S1.
I would have traded up from my (beautiful walnut) SBLs for DBLs if sound were the only concern. They really are awesome, but for two factors: size and price. As you and Tony say though, their provenance to the SBL is clear. I elected to change my SBLs for NBLs because they too gave a much bigger sound, similar but bigger (although not coming even close to the DBLs, of course). That said, I think they share less with the SBLs than the DBLs do, aside from just the shape. Actually all the XBLs...
But doesn't that make them "rather wide"? How wide are they? I need to have speakers against the back wall - have been watching the Shahinian etc thread with interest but see that they are quite a bit out from the wall (that would bring them in front of the woodburner perhaps too much) - the room isn't particularly small but behind the listening sofa is a desk that cannot be moved. My SBLs (cherry) fit the space nicely but I doubt anything much bigger would look right - I could get away with...
65cm wide. Not wide for me. Much narrower than the vast majority of tvs. In any case, you get used to the size. I used to own SBLs. I saw a pair about a year ago and thought they were tiny. Still, if SBLs fit 'just so', I would take them active in preference to a divorce.
There are a couple for sale at the moment in Germany for 6-7k euros. Judging from sold/expired listings that I can find, over the past year or so they've typically gone for £4-7.5k-ish, mostly outside the UK. I'd guess that if you're in the market for that sort of thing, that makes them pretty good VFM.
This genuinely made me laugh! So true. I like them both with and without grills and they sound just fine either way. They can sound shrill on occasion anyway which varies between source / recording quality / room acoustics, which lets face it, are by no means perfect in most houses. I I like the aesthetics with the grills but I still can't decide haha... sbls are are a gorgeous speaker. Ugly and beautiful at the same time. Timeless beauties. I love mine, and they are extremely practical as...
Lewis, nice cherry veneer you have if i'm not mistaken, and in superb condition : ) To answer your question; imo the Puresound grilles are adequate and do the job for sensible money. The Tom Tom grille set have the original shaped look edge to them which is a very nice touch, but they are priced strictly for perfectionists. I'm not sure if the Puresound ones also come with the rear recesses for driver clearance, you better check on this, i know they didn't at first but think they may do so...
I'm enjoying my SBLs with these wonderful Invisibigrills ™ It's not easy to see their finer points but i'm assured they are designed to produce more transparency. If anyone would like a set, mail me 50 quid and i'll email you the download code Debs
But FOC Debs, Naim say at the bottom of their SBL assembly instruction sheet: "The SBL is designed to be used with its foam grilles in place, both frequency and phase response will be adversely affected when used without them." Chris
Thank you so much Dave. I actually think these look rather good. I don't suppose i could be a pain and ask for a photo underneath of the Velcro and how it's fitted? I anticipated a gap but yours look perfect. Also can one of you guys with the Tomtom ones lost a good photo of them and a close up please? I do have OCD but I also really cannot bring myself to spend nearly £200 on foam. If they were £100 then I could swallow that but £180 is so much. If they look amazing on the photos I may be...
I bought mine from a guy on eBay, they have the proper cutouts on the rear and fit the SBLs perfectly. It wasn't the best of experiences on a personal level, the guy was rather harsh and slightly impolite for still unknown reasons, but his work is really ok. They cost around £50. I think he can be reached with a little research. He has the same name of a former European currency.. And it's not Lira, nor Frank. M
Yeah, I'm with you Lewis. £180 is extortionate. Mine are looking tired and seem to 'suck' in, but they still look ok and more to the point, since the rebuild a couple of weeks ago, sound great. After all it is about the 'music'!
Something to bear in mind with the ones I saw on eBay (no idea if they're the same as those in question, but something to check in case they are) is that the elevation is provided by sticking extra smaller pieces of foam to the back of a flat piece of foam. Which means there's a line running around the edge of the finished product where the surfaces were glued which is slightly visible. May not be an issue to many people, but I didn't fancy them as a result.
Don't know if they do or not tbh. If they use the same thickness of foam as others, then I suppose they would. But presumably all manner of thicknesses and types of foam are available, so maybe they don't. I just remember noticing the line around the edge and thinking I'd forever be noticing it. Being bothered about pointless tiny differences kind of goes with the territory They may not even be the same ones that Max referred to, just something to check if going the eBay route.
+1 for the Tomtom ones, I cannot tell from the originals when new and just had bite lip and forget the cost Was quite attached to my original SBLs and they are in fine nick so was worth it. will see if I can sort a picture in a min.
Wow so a fair whack then! They look awesome but I think my wife would have a mental if she came home and saw those monsters in our modest living room! they are akin to club speakers almost. I do like the design of them though, very cool. PS: I am still deciding on grills but I'll update this thread and keep you guys in the loop once I've procured a set
i know this has been asked before several times in fact, however, what I would like to explore is the options available. AFAIK there are two types available. 1. Proper ones from Tomtom @ £175 2. Pure sound ones on eBay @ £54 I know the latter do not have cut outs at the rear for drivers but still look fairly tidy from what I've seen. Does anyone have pics of the tomtom o Es fitted, as well as a comparisson of the pure sound ones please? And if there are other ones I've omitted please post a...
Afternoon Folks, Having had my LP12 serviced and upgraded recently plus expecting to buy a 112/150 combination soon to replace my 1990ish NVA AP30 I am also looking at speakers and wondered if anybody near Pontefract in Yorkshire was still using SBLs and would not mind me listening to them for half an hour at some point? Cheers, Mark
The SBL needs a lot better amplification than the 112/150 in my experience. You'd be much better off going for a 72 with 160, 180 or 250, and a Hicap for the 72. Properly driven, they are great speakers, even after all these years.
You can easily use SBL's on 112/150, its just this is not the best match by far - these older amplifiers are selling cheap because noone wants the 112 and the early 150, I'd much rather have a Nait or one of the suggested above and most are easy to resell when or if you wish more umph
Give me you email address if you like. I'm a bit further away but you'd be welcome to listen. However my system hardly representative of what you might get in your home with your equipment. I'm also about to switch to SL2s in the next couple of weeks. I also agree that, despite their manifest pleasures, your system will struggle to get them going. They are not a difficult load as such but they are not terribly forgiving. They may also be unable to produce satisfying bass with that amp etc.
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