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Na 323 MM & MC boards

Mikeandvan ·
Been using MM phono boards in my Nac 72, specifically 322 (issue 1), with a standard Heybrook TT2/RB300/DL110, been quite happy with the sound. Then got hold of an Origin Live silver mk 3a tonearm that came with a MC cart, an Ortofon Rondo red, and 323K boards - issue 4, mint condition boards. Obviously there's quite an upgrade using this new arm and cart, but I'm surprised at how much louder my little Nac is now with the new set up. You only have to turn the volume to 9 or 10 oclock for a...
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ianrobertm ·
It depends... If your MM cart was relatively low in its output, compared to what Naim assumed (with the 322 boards), it will be a bit quiet. Similarly, if you MC cart is a bit higher in output, compare to the low output Supex/Linn MC carts (which the 323's were designed for), it will be a bit louder. The 322/323 boards were Naim State of the Art at the time. You can assume the 522/523 series boards are better, I think. Clearly the Superline would be much better too. Stageline - I cannot say.
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Richard Dane ·
Mike, although the Denon DL-110 is marketed as a so-called 'high output" MC, its output is actually little higher than a medium output MC. As such, although you can use it with NA322 MM boards, you do need to really crank up the pre-amp volume control. I'm told that the NA323 E boards actually work rather better with the DL-110 even though the gain is perhaps in theory a little too high in this instance. I have a DL-110 stashed away somewhere so if I ever come across a set of E or R boards...
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Mikeandvan ·
Thanks, I wondered whether a few components could be changed on both boards so they suit each cart better?
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Richard Dane ·
That's a question that falls outside of forum AUP. Your dealer may be willing to change load resistance values - 100R is sometimes used - but anything else is asking for trouble. The problem you have is that the DL-110 falls between two stools - too low in output for a MM input (but still useable) and too high for an MC input. The E version of the 323 boards probably gets closest to the ideal with the 110.
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Mikeandvan ·
Thanks again Richard, any idea about my other cart, the Ortofon Rondo Red? I use it with the 323K cards, and its a bit loud.
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ianrobertm ·
I knew nothing about the Ortofon Rondo Red,... but Google does..... Seems its output while 'low', is higher than some - at nominally 0.5mV. Whereas - again thanks Google - the LInn 'K' series are only 0.3mV - which is what the 323 'K' boards were designed for. So, your Ortofon is (nominally) louder than, say, a Linn Karma. To complete the story - your Denon DL110's output is 1.3mV. Again, thanks Google. So, as Richard said (above), the Denon has a low output, amongst the 'high output' Moving...
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High output cartridge for LP12

Nich ·
Disaster has struck!! It appears my Dynavector DV20XH has a damaged cantilever - cause unknown, but operator error is the prime suspect (oh dear!). Replacement cost, even with trade in discount, may be prohibitive - any suggestions of less costly alternatives I may like? LP12, walnut plinth, circus, Lingo 1, Akito (original), (all Cymbiosis serviced) - Naim 72 MM phono boards/HC/140 (all serviced) into Rega Ela 1.5s.
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Christopher_M ·
Sorry to hear of this. DV 10x5. Too obvious maybe ;-) C.
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Nich ·
No, not at all. It is at the top of my list, but wasn't sure if it still should be? And what the alternatives might be? I'm not up to date with current cartridge choices - when you find something you like, why question it, especially when you've stretched your budget to buy it!! Lots of votes for DV 10x5 will be significant!
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Nich ·
Maybe I can audition different cartridges, but not in my system - it's no longer on the shelves!
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Christopher_M ·
Other cartridges I've heard through a Naim phonostage and liked are the Goldring 1042, Goldring 2400 and Linn Adikt. The latter may require expert fitting into the Akito's headshell though. I say this having seen a post somewhere here (from Peter Swain of Cymbiosis) about it. As for meaningful dems..... Good luck! C.
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Allan Milne ·
What a downer Sounds like accidental damage to me ... I did this to my Linn Krystal and made a successful claim through my home contents insurance; got a replacement funded (except for the excess of course). Might be worth a try, Allan
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stuart.ashen ·
Nich, just noticed your Avatar. Cantilever on the Glyders, Snowdonia? Stu
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ChrisSU ·
If only all cantilevers were that robust!
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sktn77a ·
Why not schedule an appt at Cymbiosis. He has more demo LP12s set up in his store than anyone else in the world!
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pemcg ·
I sold my old Dynavector DV20XH on a well known auction site when I upgraded last year - it still had plenty of life left in it. Might be worth a quick search if you like the sound of the old cartridge and it works well in your system.
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Antonio1 ·
Sorry for your misadventure. With your set-up I wouldn't consider a dynavector, its expensive and not really worth. I d get an AT 440 Mlb which works a treat on your arm and eventually save money on what really makes a difference , I.e. a better sub-chassis. And after that the arm swap.
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Gurbinder ·
I have a Hana EH on mine and it sounds great.
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Antonio1 ·
Hana are very good carts too, balanced, how a good cart should be (try Benz ,for instance). But low-outputs are the ones to have IMHO.
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Nich ·
Thanks for all the great replies! Yes, my avatar is the Cantilever Stone on the Glyders in Snowdonia. I used to spend most of my weekends in North Wales in all weathers and all seasons, aside from occasional forays into Scotland or sometimes even further afield. I hadn't thought of the link to my present post about a damaged cantilever until it was pointed out to me though!! I have contacted my house insurance company and I may be able to make a claim. They have requested I get a report of...
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Nich ·
Very pleased to say my insurance claim was successful an dealt with promptly once I'd got a report from a local dealer - Gulliford Hifi in Exeter were very helpful and straight forward to deal with. The replacement DV20XH was fitted yesterday and I'm very happy with the result. When I retrieved all the packaging for my LP12 out of the loft I found the old Linn K9 that my (s/h) deck came fitted with before I took it for service to Cymbiosis some 9 years ago, sitting in the DV20XH box, and...
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Hi Cap DR

ndx202- ·
Hi am thinking of getting a Hi Cap DR to power my Stageline purchase. I have 2 questons.. Does the DR regulator board need servicing every 7-10 years like the older Hi Cap .. I know that the main resevoir caps will need doing as usual but are there any tantalum caps on the new Discrete regulator board.. My second question is well making my decision on my new Hi Cap ' will the Nac 82 power the MM Stageline ? If so which socket do I it plug in to ? . If not what do I need ?? Thanks all replys ...
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Kevin Richardson ·
I think they now say every 15 years.
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hungryhalibut ·
The 82 cannot power a Stageline. It can have internal phono boards fitted, which should be just as good.
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ndx202- ·
Thanks HH I think I will run the from the stageline on the hi cap I have , and the nac82 from the nap185 for the time being and eventually get another Hi Cap.. Will a supercap power a pre and a stageline ?? Thanks
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ndx202- ·
The line boards are working fine in the 82 but for some reason that I cannot fathom the na522/4 board sound shut in ' quiet and tonally pretty dead when fitted.. It is a a later nac 82 serial no 2002. Have posted and rang Naim about it. Maybe there has been a mod to the 82 ' But cannot see any thing in there that should not be.. Posted photos to Naim and although only so much can be seen in photos they agreed it looked normal .. It has been said there had been a RCA socket mod at some point...
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hungryhalibut ·
No, it won't.
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Christopher_M ·
There's your answer.
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dektop100 ·
..how are your boxes arranged? You need to keep an 82 clear of a PSU. Low-level interference can definitely give a 'sat-on' quality to the sound with the low frequencies being especially badly effected. My own 82 does not like to 'share' a plug either.
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ndx202- ·
I have a good quality Merlin plug distribution unit and a Funnelweb mains lead..The Hi Cap and NAPSC are on a separate table away from the Nac 82.. and 16ins or so away from each other...Streaming ' CD etc all sound lovely natural warmish and full.. The amp is much better than the nac112x I used to own. and The 180 power amp is so much more organic than the 150x.. If I could drop a photo on this reply I would but the Hoopla site seems not to allow it...??? I have noticed that the line boards...
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ndx202- ·
Have just moved the NAPSC as far away from the pre as is physically possible...Huge difference to everything Streaming wise ' much better ..Will try the phono stage now... See what happens..Thanks Desktop..Wil get back to you..
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ndx202- ·
Have just set the arm up Alphaon Opal linn k9.. My o My that little box being away from the 82 makes a huge difference everything has opened up..Now I know what is meant by sensitive electronics.. Richard said that their may be some arm adjustments needed last week ..It was indeed to high and sucking the life out of the sound too..Sorry Richard my apologies if you read this..
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dektop100 ·
glad you've made some progress. My 82 was troubled by sitting right on top of a Supercap - it didn't hum, so I assumed everything was OK. Later on, when I went over to headphone listening entirely, I placed my redundant 180 between the 82 and Supercap. The difference was substantial. My other boxes are spaced out, and no proper rack, but I've not really tried moving the PSC. Where a psu connects to the mains in relation to other boxes can have an influence in addition to spatial relationships.
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james n ·
Treat the PSC like any other Naim power supply. No need for any special treatment for this unit.
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ndx202- ·
Just looked inside the AR Turntable.There was the problem..!!!!. Damping material everywhere.!!!. What a mess..!!! on the plinth the base everywhere..!! Took it off ...The sound ha come back..Why do people think that stuff works and them put it everywhere apart from the stylus.. All the money that goes into research and development and people put crappy tar all over the place...Vibration cant get away from the deck quickly enough hence the dead horrible sound... HA HA
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ndx202- ·
Damping in the turntable was the main issue..Secondhand and who ever had put it in had put it everywhere..Took it out
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ndx202- ·
Just took the "DIY "RCA Gold rubbish sockets and replaced with good quality BNC connectors as it should have.. The sound has improved again..
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ndx202- ·
Put the 522/3 boards back in am very happy with the sound .. Think think the internal boards and stageline are very similar and pleasing.. The Stageline with Hi Cap powering it was bound to be a bit more of everything. Maybe a bit sharp but it is brand new.. Just need another Hi Cap to power the Pre now..
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ndx202- ·
Stageline going back to retailer and keeping the lovely NA 322/4 boards ..prefer their sound. Have put a brand new Ortofon 2m Blue on the Alphason Opal arm ' The AR (THE TURNTABLE ) sounds fab now.. Combination of a lot of things led to bad sound.. The sound damping was the main issue.. Should be banned.. Thanks for everyone's help and suggestions..
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ndx202- ·
Short and concise answer...
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Christopher_M ·
Thanks for listening when I questioned the age of the Linn K9. Glad all has worked out.
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ndx202- ·
I am a electronoic's engineer Christopher_m .. All pretty simple really All the best
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ndx202- ·
This forum is ok most of the time.. The rest of it trying to sell or service stuff.. Baby stuff I can do myself.. of no use whatsoever..
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ndx202- ·
Yes they are that good I have parted with the Stageline
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Innocent Bystander ·
The trouble with tweaks such as the turntable damping is that to one person something can be an improvement, and to another the same thing is perceived as killing the sound - it all depends on what the individual's preference as to how the music should sound and what may be the effect of the rest of their system (including room). Personally I would have thought that the last thing anyone would want would be resonances in the turntable as they could be picked up by the stylus. Presumably that...
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ndx202- ·
Yes innocent bystander I agree that one mans meat can be another mans poison.. But in this case the amount of damping used and the totally random way it was placed did affect the sound very adversly..I thought their may be something wrong with the 52/4 boards ' even turntable setup was questioned on this forum.. I have owned a few turntables in the last 35 years and have owned three of the current model "The AR Turntable".. I have owned a few Sondek's in my time too ' and the AR to my ears...
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hungryhalibut ·
That's good - one fewer box to worry about. I've always found the Stageline distinctly underwhelming. The Prefix was the best though, fitted into the LP12.
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ndx202- ·
I have always found the Lp12 a little hard sounding apart from the early ones with no upgrades that were reasonable with an ittok arm... I agree the Stageline seems no better than the 522/4 Boards ' which to my ears sound bigger and fuller and less hard edged.. Even using it with the Hi cap which the 522/4 will do as part of the preamp.. Yes less boxes is a bonus ....
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Cartridge to comply with the lovely sounding NA322/4 MM I have

ndx202- ·
Have fitted a Grado RED cart to my AR Turntable/Alphason Opal Arm combo.. The sound is lovely ' but I seem to need to crank the volume on my NAC82 up to around 12 o clock on the pre amp to hit the sweet spot with most recordings some being louder than others. The cart is rated at 4mv .. Is this just a bad match as there are more powerful MM carts out there..?? The Decks VTA ETC is set up ' no issues just lowish sound... The NAP180 and hi cap have been recently serviced ... Any Advice would...
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