Tagged With "CDs"

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Uniti 2 CD: Fault 21: CD Mech, No Comms

elsabio ·
I have recently had the CD mechanism and servo board replaced in my 2013 Uniti 2 by an authorised dealer because it was refusing to load CDs.  When I collected the repaired device and reconnected to my system, I see "Fault 21: CD Mech, No Comms".  On returning it to the dealer, the fault was cleared by reseating one or more internal connectors.  I get it home, and again, I see the same fault. It seems likely (because the transition from working to failed involves a short...
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Uniti 2 CD skipping problems are back

Hi All: We are on our fourth Uniti 2, the previous 3 having been replaced because of the CD skipping problem.  The current unit is now 17 months old.  All was fine after the firmware update of May 2013.  But about a month ago we noticed...
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Where (as opposed to "how") to rip - does it matter?

DrPo ·
the reason for this post is a heated discussion with some friends listening to a top (NDS+555PS level) digital source  by another manufacturer whereupon they found a DBpoweramp accurate rip made on a simple CD dive connected to a laptop via USB clearly flatter to payback of the same CD where the rip was made from (this source is like HDX in that it can play and rip CDs as well as stream). The manufacturer on the other hand claims that the rips on the device will sound better than the CD...
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Re: CD Player Supports

joerand ·
Do you find something wrong with the sound?
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rjstaines ·
First thought - put it on a wall shelf ! What's the floor- wood / concrete? What does your amplification sit on? I know, too many questions, not enough answers
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steve king ·
put it on fraim, fixed steve king
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essezeta ·
To be honest, since when I own the CD5XS I put three block of high density graphite under it, by default. Now I have the possibility to receive a set of three Ceraballs in exchange and before accepting it I'm just collecting some opinions. Thanks and regards, Stefano
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essezeta ·
No way to put it on a wall shelf or a Fraim; is has to stay on the forniture, that's why I'm looking for alternative supports such as Ceraballs. Rgds, Stefano
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mutterback ·
There's a lot of things to experiment with, I suspect some work great, some are snake oil and that it also depends a lot on the specific furniture & equipment. You could start with Vibrapods - about $2 each. They are available at computer stores. Seems like something you need to test. I'm not familiar with Ceraballs.
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Focalist ·
Probably wont make a blind bit of difference but if you must use something dont spend a fortune on foo. Something like the Soundcare Superspikes be good enough £30 for set of 3.
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J.N. ·
The Fraim decoupling effect can be hinted at inexpensively with a piece of glass placed on three nuts and ball-bearings. I've used this method to good effect with CD players and turntables in the past. John.
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Jan-Erik Nordoen ·
As John says. More info here : https://forums.naimaudio.com/topic/three-little-balls
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essezeta ·
Thanks to you all. In any case, the principle of the "three little balls" is the same, or pretty the same, of that of Ceraballs; that's fine! Rgds, Stefano
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Jan-Erik Nordoen ·
Is the CD player is sitting directly on the Ceraballs ? Have you tried a sheet of glass between the two ?
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essezeta ·
Originally Posted by Jan-Erik Nordoen: Is the CD player is sitting directly on the Ceraballs ? Have you tried a sheet of glass between the two ? sorry, maybe I didn't explain well: currently I do not have any Ceraballs, but thee blocks of HD graphite. since a guy offered me a set of ceraballs, I was wondering if they could be a good solution, or anyway a better solution than graphite blocks. regards, stefano
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Re: Spotify or Tidal, or back to CD? In search for the naim streaming guide

ChrisSU ·
My Sony Walkman will play music from its internal memory, over WiFi from my Unitiserve, and from Tidal and other web streaming services. The Tidal app is synced across all devices I use it on, including the Naim app. Best of all, sound quality is streets ahead of an iPod. (It wasn't cheap, though.) I still but CDs too. I'm not intending to keep Tidal after the trial ends, it's not worth it just for music discovery.
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ChrisH ·
Couple of slimline answers to your questions Stefan. 1) Essentially they are the same, except that you can get CD quality with Tidal. The UI is different and some prefer the curated playlists you get with Spotify. Personally I much prefer Tidal, especially with the way it is integrated into the Naim app. Much nicer to use. 2) Thats my issue with streaming services too. If I never buy another CD relying solely on streaming services, one day if my personal circumstances change and I can no...
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Re: Spotify or Tidal, or back to CD? In search for the naim streaming guide

Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Hi Stefan, my view is that streaming is great and with Tidal and with the new firmware that Naim are developing it should sound even better. It is also a good user experience integrated to the Naim app. Is it a replacement for domestic local streaming or CD? I say no. As good as Tidal is now sounding.. The streamer servers are huge industrial affairs.. The data often spits out in inconsistent bursts.. inevitably when our Naim is rebuilding this data to extract the media it produces low level...
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dave marshall ·
I've only had Tidal running for a month or so, and have found quite a few gaps in the music available. I had assumed that library would expand over time to include missing albums, mainly back catalogue items, in addition to the new music being posted on a daily basis. Am I being unrealistically optimistic?
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Mike-B ·
........ errr I think that might be the case Dave If you like jazz, classical or even the classic rock stuff, Tidal is not for you (at the moment) What do I mean by "classical rock" go look for Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon, a classic if there ever was one. The one & only Tidal copy looks like an iTunes special with other tracks from other PF albums added at the end, & the DSOTM section does not play gapless correctly, & its not CD quality.
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Stefan Vogt ·
Thanks so much to everybody - I guess we can declare this thread now to be the semi-authentic naim guide to domestic/local and remote (service-based) streaming varieties! I'm relieved that my tendency for posessing CDs is not as old-fashioned as I thought, despite the interesting off-line mode of Tidal - thanks Chrish! (as you implied, these downloads seem to live within the Tidal app and would vanish without subscription or without Tidal's existence, unlike my option 4 ...). Cheers, Stefan
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Solid Air ·
It seems that most people - including me - are using Tidal as an additional service rather than replacing their owned collection (whether that be vinyl, CD or digital storage). I find it very good for listening to new music, the odd song where I don't want the whole album or reminding myself of music I've heard in the past. But if I know I want to listen to an album again and again, I'll still buy it. I would hate my music collection to disappear if Tidal does, or if I choose to cancel my...
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T38.45 ·
Stefan, have a look at qobuz as they will stream in CD quality as well! I couldn't hear a difference between streaming and ripped CD here. You may be aware of their financial situation (really hope they'll survive) -their catalog is great! ralf
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ChrisH ·
No worries Stefan. By the way, the offline mode is also available with Spotify, just for info. I think maybe for the younger generation who haven't grown up owning their own music, continuing not to own any physical media and streaming exclusively using the streaming services model will not present any drawbacks for them. I think for the rest of us that have grown up with vinyl and CDs and owning our own, the future will be a hybrid of physical and streaming services, there is space and a...
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Micbill ·
Much appreciated for the info mail suggestion. Perhaps, its always best to communicate with Naim directly than bringing it up to this forum. Cheers, Micbill
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Richard Dane ·
Not always. But if you're looking for a specific bit of information to which only Naim would have the answer, then yes, communicating directly with them would give you the best answer.
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Richard Dane ·
Micbill, the people in the best position to provide the answer here is Naim themselves. Although it's currently the xmas break, I would suggest you e-mail them on info@naimaudio.com .
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Re: 272 plus CDX2 and XPS2 non DR versus 272 plus XPS2 non DR and bare CDX2

Mike Hughes ·
Interesting to read this and the NDX thread posing similar questions. It does sound very much like a potential reduction in what I get from the CDX2 with XPS2. CD will remain the primary source for a long time. I've yet to hear a streamer in my price range which comes near. Streaming will be more for wife and child with Apple devices initially, so the quality of cd output is the primary concern. A second XPS2 is not on the agenda but equally nor is the sale of the CDX2. As said earlier I see...
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Re: 272 plus CDX2 and XPS2 non DR versus 272 plus XPS2 non DR and bare CDX2

Finkfan ·
The CDX2 is and will be my primary source for the foreseeable future too. I don't have an XPS2 on it yet, but after hearing the improvement, it's an upgrade I can't live without! Once on, it will never come off.
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wenger2015 ·
Agree with Finkfan, the xps2 is a sublime piece of kit, in fact it's a must have!!
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Finkfan ·
I wouldn't have beleaved it would have made that big a difference till I heard it! A real eye opener.
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Finkfan ·
And fed into a 282,HC,250DR it sounded awesome. The speakers almost disappeared!
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Finkfan ·
Hi Ive had a few demos recently. Playing around with power supplies in different parts of the system. The biggest difference I heard by far was the power supply on the source, every time. Adding a PS to a pre amp did obviously improve things too but nowhere near the same level. I heard the 272 with PS then NDX with PS into bare 272. (NDX was used as dealer didn't have a CDX2). No contest. The NDX kept in performance! The 272 was a small gain in comparison. I too have a CDX2 analogue only. I...
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Finkfan ·
Best thing to do though would obviously be to get in touch with a local dealer and arrange a morning for some demos. Ive not heard a 202, but I'd guess there would only be a subtle improvement with the 272. Just a guess. More of a sideways step to add a streaming source, rather than a pre amp upgrade?
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Re: Where (as opposed to "how") to rip - does it matter?

Eloise ·
At the end of the day, if you are using AccurateRip you are comparing your rip to multiple other rips. If the same information is got off the CD, then it doesn't matter (to your computer) how it got there. There is no (known) method for a computer to store any noise created by different CD drives in ripping a CD; there is no (known) method for a computer to know if the rip was done at 1x or 32x speed. With a CD, there IS a "perfect" rip; and if your drive creates a perfect rip it is the same...
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Jota ·
The other difference between streaming and playing a CD is there's no moving parts in a streamer and moving parts add noise and vibration, no matter how small that is, it's measurable and it's there. There's also the power usage on the power supply to take into consideration. This is far greater in a CD player than a streamer because, again, there are no moving parts to power in a streamer. Naim suggest in the streamer white paper that transcoding before entering the streamer may increase...
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Huge ·
On the other hand, a CD doesn't need so much computing power. Power consumption: My streamer: 60VA My CD player: 25VA My Computer CD Drive: <11W DC The moving parts / vibration argument is valid though! But anyway this is thread is about the quality of the signal in a datafile ripped from a CD, played back at a later date via a streamer; so all these other factors in real-time CD replay are irrelevant, as they don't cause any variance in the resultant datafile produced by the ripping process.
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DrPo ·
Jota, Eloise, I am fully with you in terms of "what is logical" and it was arguments such as these that led me to opt for a "streaming" rather than "CD" based digital source. It is precisely for this reason that finding a CD replay sounding superior to ripped playback on the same machine seems weird... i can think of only four possible explanations: the rip i used was inaccurate the rip was accurate but not all accurate rips are equal in SQ, the ripping medium playing a role (the topic of...
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Huge ·
Hi DrPo, +1, totally agree!
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Huge ·
Seems our posts crossed over twice, does that make it a double cross?
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DrPo ·
Or "Double vision" ��
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Bart ·
My digital strategy has had me not power on my cd player for well over 2 years. It seems to be working At the fringes of my memory and knowledge . . . some rippers check for certain parameters of the cd drive being used ("offset??")....does this imply that they factor in something about the drive iteself when they rip? Reading the dbPoweramp pages probably would answer this for me!
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Mike-B ·
Hi DrPo I understand AccurateRip to compare the ripped file against up to 200 other versions of the same album. This to me says all the 1's & 0's are the same as the CD & the same as the other 200 sample files & nothing is missing. So its hard to think how a CD/DVD drive would change that & give a flatter or different sound quality in the rip. I'm not saying its only 1's & 0's so it can't be different, but off my head I can't imagine why or how. I can understand how a CD...
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Harry ·
Playback quality might potentially be degraded by electrical and mechanical noise from a CD mechanism, what with all those motors, servos, bearings and speed changes. This was put to me at the launch of the HDX as a possible advantage to ripping accurately just the once and subsequently playing back by streaming. The proof of the pudding turned out to be in the listening, although it took me a year after getting the HDX to finally let my CDX2 go. This is the only valid (for the individual)...
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Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Hi DrPo, essentially if a CD-ROM is tracking correctly, the data recovered will be completely correct. If it's not it will trip the checksums on the CD-ROM data structure and the CD-ROM will try and re read the suspect data. Now what can happen is the offset settings are not correctly set for a ripper and a particular CD-ROM drive. This can result with the first few millisecond or even tenth of a second at the start of a track not being ripped. ITunes used to suffer with this on Windows...
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Re: Spotify or Tidal, or back to CD? In search for the naim streaming guide

waldorf ·
Although I am not a Naim user yet, I like to heare opinions about the Tidal sound quality. I noticed that there are quite some albums streamed as mp3, which I do not like, because that is not what I am paying for. Some examples from albums streamed as mp3 instead of flac: - Katie Melua - The house - Katie Melua - The Katie Melua collection - Karen Souza - Hotel Souza - Karen Souza - Essentials
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Adam Zielinski ·
I actually stopped by Spotify and Tidal subscriptions - found them a waste of money. If I want to check a new artist / album - YouTube generally has it in one form or the other. for CD / Hi-res sound quality I still purchase CDs or downloads.
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Simon-in-Suffolk ·
Hi, you might be getting confused, Tidal does not use MP3
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Goon525 ·
Simon it may not strictly be MP3, but I have had a case of a Tchaikovsky symphony (No 2 Bournemouth/Karabits) which was at a very low bit rate, and sounded audibly very inferior. I have no idea why. Paul
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