Britain out of Europe? should I stop buying NAIM

Europe (which includes the UK) needs to wake up and stop behaving like spoilt brats.

Cheers

Don

No we are still there ,LHS just above France and Spain.

HUMM, You should ask people in Asia, North America and the rest ot the world. ... and yes, according to my  MAPA MUNDI wer're still in europe.

Cameron knew it was not in the Bankers interest!

So no regulation for greedy cash grab capitalists in the UK. Cameron wants his London City chums to carry on getting huge bonuses, huge salaries, huge dividend shares all the way out of the UK to their offshore tax heavens.

He also wants rid of EU organisations (such as the Equal Opportunities Commission), to abolish the minimum basic wage, abolish human rights, and generally abuse his un-elected dictatorship to rule unopposed in his relentless trampling over the rights of the majority of decent UK people.

Expect worse to come  

Debs

Financial industry contributes approx 10% to UK's GDP. But manufacturing industry (like Naim) would feel disadvantages if UK would leave the EU.

So hopefully this will not happen. And even if they do, UK will still be member of UEFA .

 

Being a member of the European Union has been a one-way street for Britain. Contributions from Britain to the EU budget have outstripped the benefits received in every single year  of membership.

In total since 1979, Britain has paid in about €260 billion (£228 billion). It has received back  in benefits just €163 billion (£143 billion). The difference of €97 billion (£85 billion at today’s exchange rate) has been Britain’s subsidy to the European project.

 

It makes you think.....

The big fat problem with this very silly bar-chart nonsense is the ridiculous suggestion that it’s only worth being in Europe if our very very greedy London capitalists can make a huge buck out of it.

Misses the point of quality of life values being worth far more than profits for a select few.

But if you really want to enthuse upon money, why not start with the UK tax evasion drain problem which, starting in the 1950’s, steadily climbed up to £200 Billion per annum during the Blair/Brown years to possibly double as much now this nasty band of corrupt Bullingdon Club outfit men have cheated their way in power.

"In total since 1979, Britain has paid in about €260 billion (£228 billion)."

Well, there you go, far less than Tax Evasion costs us each and very year!

The shocking amount of UK tax evasion actually makes our contribution to the EU exceptionally good value for money and very affordable.

Debs

Britain is not the only country that pays more into the EU than it receives. It's the price for being a member in the club, for being part of the big project "Europe". And you enjoy free travel to Spain, don't you.

Stone me Debs so the EU institutions are truly democratic are they - you're on a different planet to me. Strikes me that Europe was doing very nicely thank you very much before the ludicrous Euro project. Think this through - why is Frau M so keen to retain the Euro. Well if the Germany had to reintroduce the DM it was be so highly valued that their precious industrial exports would suddenly appear very much less attractive on the world markets.

Strat

The city contributes significantly to the UK tax take, it enables the majority of the population to have a free ride - ie they do not pay to cover their costs to the nation.

EU integration is driven by the european governments, not by the people regrettably, because UK, France, Germany etc alone would be in threat of becoming marginalized on a global scale. And the EU institutions are as democratic as the governments that operate these institutions. 

And you can't blame Merkozy for trying to save the Euro zone from the debt crisis. Cameron thought he could force his will over Europe and got outmanouvered by Merkel. She's a very talented tactician.

May or may not be the case but doesn't alter the fact that the Germans and French are basically trying to shore up something which was simply a stupid idea in the first place.

Mr analogmusic,

I lived 20 years in Britain, and I feel the country as my "other" country. So buying NAIM, is probably an indirect and psychologically driven way of remaining connected to a place i love, and because I do love it, I do not like the idea that a country, by the words of his Prime Minister,  "belongs to the Euro club"  only because of INTEREST. Being together means more to me than just interest, and I do feel strange when coming back to London I have to go through custom and passport check. It feels like a member of your family does not recognize you any longer.

Well thats my tough!

salvo

Hi Debs. 

I have to disagree with you.

I understood that Europe sells us more than we buy from them. So for them to shun UK would be daft as they would lose a primary customer.

Tax evasion here is a joke compared to Greece Spain Portugal etc etc.

Maggie said once.

It is better to get 30% of something than 90% of nothing.

If you raise taxes too high then people and companies find more friendly countries to pay tax in.

So have low and simple tax systems which are attractive to people and companies to pay tax in.

A simple example is Adelle. She appeared out of nowhere with a couple of very successful albums.

Was she happy with her tax contributions to the tax man.

No she was not at all happy.

How many ordinary people try to avoid taxes in their daily lives.

And for cash nudge nudge wink wink is a common occurrence in daily life. The VAT free purchasing of digital media from the TAX HAVENS of the Channel islands is about to be closed. 

We need taxes to pay for services we need. So a fair tax system is needed.

I personally think tax should be payed when you buy something. But this would not work.

To Call Cameron an unelected Dictator is Naive.

I do not remember voting for either Merkel or Sarkozy, but they have decided to rewrite European History and Legislation as they see fit.

How about this for an idea we become a low tax, tax haven and put Switzerland, Lichtenstein, Monaco, Channel Islands and the West Indies out of business.

regards David

Point missed here with you lot of Foxy Smiths,

Power To The People and all that.

Naim has been French for months.

Stick that in your DAC's and smoke it.

Stu.

 

Being a member of the European Union has been a one-way street for Britain. Contributions from Britain to the EU budget have outstripped the benefits received in every single year  of membership.

In total since 1979, Britain has paid in about €260 billion (£228 billion). It has received back  in benefits just €163 billion (£143 billion). The difference of €97 billion (£85 billion at today’s exchange rate) has been Britain’s subsidy to the European project.

It makes you think.....

 

 

It makes you think the average Brit doesn't have the intelligence to to decide if we should remain in Europe. Lets face it there are a lot of thick people out there who would base their decision on charts like this and a few amusing/crazy European laws, highlighted by the Mail or Sun

26 leaders decided in principle to accept the proposals, which will then be approved or not by their parliaments. Why didn't Cameron do the same, surely that would have been more democratic than making the decision himself. Calling him a dictator seems fair enough to me.

Thank god this country is not run by some people on this forum. If you think he made the decision himself there and then we'd better start learning some german or french really fast.

When the UK decided by a referendum to join the Common Market it was basically a trade association. The EU is now aiming to become a single state where individual country traditions and standards are taken over by an overruling mixture of rules and laws  determined by people that we have not chosen. 

I respect and enjoy the customs of France and Germany and Italy when I am in those  countries - but I do not want to live by them in the UK

The problems is that each country still wants to follow their own ways and demands that other countries follow their interpretation of the rules.

GALE 401,

An interesting point.

Spoke to friend in France this evening and she said things were becoming fun over there. Seems the brit expat community are getting nervous.

David

Yes, I'm sure Cameron and the Tory leadership decided beforehand which proposals they would refuse to accept. However those desisions where made not with the good of Britain in mind, but the good of the Tory party and it's associates.

Are you really happy the future of the country is influenced by the internal dynamics of the Tory party.

 LOL

I suggest you stop reading the Sun

Tories or Whigs would not have made a difference whose dynamics it is. The decison had to be made on the basis the autonomy of the countrys trading tools had no influence from europe. The country has a strong City economy based on regulated trade that needed no further intervention from autocratic europe. Anyway, now they have a chance to "rejuvenate" or revive their now defunct treat and perhaps this time get those small economies to get their house in order. Using the veto,  Britain have actually paid a good part in bringing some stability to the Euro zone. Mere mortals like you and I only know half of what happens behind those closed doors. Apologies but I have to go now: going to jump on my Merc, buy some nice Chablis and have some fettucini with my beautilful hungarian wife.  Cheers!