Soundtrack v dialogue on the n-vi

Posted by: antz on 14 January 2012

Hi guys

I have recently integrated my hi-fi and surround sound setup. N-vi and Ovator 400  on the front, B&W centre, M1 surround and  PV 1 sub. Connected to 200/202.

The surround sound is brilliant, but at times I notice that it overpowers the dialogue. Seems to be inconsistent but I have noticed predominantly on Apple TV movies.

Anyone else experiencing similar issues? Any ideas?

Thanks

Tony
Posted on: 14 January 2012 by james n
Hi Tony. I take it you've adjusted the centre gain to match the front left and right channels ?. One thing I have found is the importance of matching the front 3 speakers as any tonal differences between centre and front stereo show up. I wonder if Naim will bring out a BMR voiced centre to match the new range ?

James
Posted on: 14 January 2012 by antz
Thanks James, I needed much more centre gain to balance with the Ovators. I had completely forgotten! Yes, it will be fantastic if Naim bring out some surround sound speakers in line with their new range. The N-vi is still a fabulous product for AV. I find the only problems are minor, like the time it takes to lock on to digital signals! Regards Tony
Posted on: 14 January 2012 by james n

Sorted then 

 

James

 

PS - have you got the latest firmware on the n-Vi. Sorted out my signal locking issues (amongst others  

Posted on: 15 January 2012 by Dungassin

I assume you use a sound level meter to set up your AV system?  At least that way you know that any channel balance oddities are down to the source material.

 

I agree that some films have the background music cranked high enough to make deciphering the dialogue occasionally difficult -  that's when I "rewind" a bit and put the subtitles on for a short while.

Posted on: 15 January 2012 by antz
Thanks guys, I think it was a combination of Spielberg's movie 'super 8' sound effects and my centre speaker settings needing adjusting. I haven't tried a sound meter, just the speaker test on the n-vi, but that doesn't perform with the fronts when they are powered by my 200/202. May give that a go. I find the soundtrack varies considerably between films on bluray, dvd, sky and apple tv. Some give you the option to use music or cinema setting some only mono, stereo or auto. Regards Tony
Posted on: 15 January 2012 by Dungassin
Originally Posted by antz:
Thanks guys, I think it was a combination of Spielberg's movie 'super 8' sound effects and my centre speaker settings needing adjusting. I haven't tried a sound meter, just the speaker test on the n-vi, but that doesn't perform with the fronts when they are powered by my 200/202. May give that a go. I find the soundtrack varies considerably between films on bluray, dvd, sky and apple tv. Some give you the option to use music or cinema setting some only mono, stereo or auto. Regards Tony

My reading of the n-vi manual (looked at it online) is that it should connect up to a preamp with a Unity Gain input much the same way as my AV2 and 282.  You use a reversed DIN lead (ask your dealer) between the  AV2 and the appropriate Unity Gain input on your 202.  If you do that then I can't see any reason why the speaker test/setup routine should not work for your front L/R speakers.  Sound level meters from Radioshack etc are quite cheap, and a very useful investment, if only for peace of mind.

 

See my Stereo/AV integration FAQ for general setup/connection guidelines

 

https://forums.naimaudio.com/di...ent/2833539985312821

Posted on: 15 January 2012 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by james n:
 I wonder if Naim will bring out a BMR voiced centre to match the new range ?

That would seem a good use of the BMR.

Posted on: 15 January 2012 by rackkit
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:
Originally Posted by james n:
 I wonder if Naim will bring out a BMR voiced centre to match the new range ?

That would seem a good use of the BMR.

Naim seem to have dropped interest in AV for good so i wouldn't hold your breath waiting on centre channel BMR design. However, should they do a bookshelf size S200, maybe Ovator owners can buy a pair between them to put to centre channel use?

 

They'd have to argue over who gets the official Right or Left speaker but it wouldn't matter in actual use!

 

Good shout from Dungassin re the Radioshack sound level meter. I had tried to level mine using a free iPhone App but the readings compared to the Radioshack meter were quite off. Though discontinued i managed to find an eBay seller with at least 10 left but this was a few weeks ago. 

 

I'd love to post a link as it was delivered the morning after ordering - fantastic service but links aren't allowed.

 

There again, this place doesn't get much attention so if the OP is interested and is quicker than the mods, he might get away with it and i'm trying to help another forum get the best out of his Naim kit after all

 

 

Cheers,

 

Rack.

 

 

Moderated Post: Rack. The rules aren't there just for fun. Link deleted. I don't appreciate being "tested" by a flagrant breach of a rule you're very aware of.

Posted on: 16 January 2012 by Dungassin

The Radio Shack Sound Level Meter is available on Amazon.

Posted on: 16 January 2012 by BigH47

OOh a link to a completely non Naim product. 

Posted on: 17 January 2012 by Consciousmess

Hi Tony. I take it you've adjusted the centre gain to match the front left and right channels ?. One thing I have found is the importance of matching the front 3 speakers as any tonal differences between centre and front stereo show up. I wonder if Naim will bring out a BMR voiced centre to match the new range ?
James

 

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Hi James,

 

Do you mean put the speaker volume at the same level for the front three speakers?  Or do you mean the distance unit?

 

Many thanks.

 

Jon

Posted on: 17 January 2012 by antz
Hi I altered the speaker level adjustment for the centre channel to give more bias to dialogue. Menu, speaker set up, speaker level - centre. Regards Tony
Posted on: 17 January 2012 by Dungassin
Originally Posted by BigH47:

OOh a link to a completely non Naim product. 

But Naim don't make Sound Level Meters.  

Posted on: 17 January 2012 by rackkit
Originally Posted by Dungassin:

The Radio Shack Sound Level Meter is available on Amazon.

Tried Amazon. Placed an order but had a reply from their market place seller saying the product was no longer available. Took an age to find 'that' eBay link but it was/is a good one. 

Posted on: 17 January 2012 by rackkit
Originally Posted by Consciousmess:

Hi Tony. I take it you've adjusted the centre gain to match the front left and right channels ?. One thing I have found is the importance of matching the front 3 speakers as any tonal differences between centre and front stereo show up. I wonder if Naim will bring out a BMR voiced centre to match the new range ?
James

 

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Hi James,

 

Do you mean put the speaker volume at the same level for the front three speakers?  Or do you mean the distance unit?

 

Many thanks.

 

Jon

You need to set both but logic tells me distance is set first, then the level. 

Posted on: 17 January 2012 by rackkit
Originally Posted by Dungassin:
Originally Posted by BigH47:

OOh a link to a completely non Naim product. 

But Naim don't make Sound Level Meters.  

Could be a nice little side line for them if they did.

Posted on: 19 January 2012 by Dungassin

Did a little research on-line last night.  Nearest equivalent to the cheapish (alas discontinued) Radioshack Meter is probably one of those from Maplin : C weighting, not too bad frequency response.