Argentina v cruise ships

Posted by: Don Atkinson on 27 February 2012

Argentina, whinging, whining, moaning and groaning yet again. Playing silly gits with a couple of cruise ships.

 

I see a bloody great elephant in the room - When are they going to hand the country back to the Incas and the Aztecs. ISTR they were there first.

 

I've re-searched the internet and can't find any reference to a handback road-map or any agreed deadline.

 

Cheers

 

Don

 

 

Posted on: 27 February 2012 by George Fredrik

Dear Don,

 

Quite right, but when are the Romans, Saxons, Norse, French, and so on going to hand the UK back to the Celts?

 

And who were the Celts? Who are the British?

 

But really I am still at a loss to see why we ever failed to hand the Falklands back before the crisis soon to be thirty years ago?

 

It would have been far more politic to have repatriated those who wanted it, than spilling the blood of young military men over such a desolate place at great expense and goodwill both in South America and North. I can see the moral imperitive of a war against Nazism to protect Europeans from the depredations of that odious regime, but that was the last moral war, in my view.

 

The Falklands War was the last Imperial military gasp of a Nation of formerly world significance. No doubt had the diplomacy been got right the ships could easily have called at Argentine ports during the cruise ...

 

Sorry to disagree so firmly, but it is my view, for all that.

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 27 February 2012 by BigH47

What have the Celts ever done for us?

 

Just hope the cruise ships are run by Costa ?

Posted on: 27 February 2012 by George Fredrik

What have the Celts ever done for us?


Gave us ginger hair, and freckles! Some of us anyway! Except the Saxons, and Norse [etc.]!

 

Posted on: 28 February 2012 by Bruce Woodhouse

Let the people who live there decide who governs them (and who gets the oil profits). After all we are entirely happy for that process to be applied to Scotland aren't we....

 

Bruce

Posted on: 28 February 2012 by JamieWednesday

And where be the rights of The Penguins in all this?

 

After all weren't they there first?

 

Personally, I'm not so sure it was a good idea to come down from the trees after all.

 

Bloody Romans.

Posted on: 28 February 2012 by Don Atkinson

In an emotional speech Monday evening celebrating the bicentennial of the Argentine flag, Fernandez reiterated the country's claim to the Falklands "and the defense of our natural resources."

 

"Colonization," she said, her voice cracking, "means domination." (Additional reporting By Jorge Otaola; Editing by Paul Simao)

 

Looks like the sooner we get the next aircraft carriers built and fitted out with aircraft, the better.

 

Fernandez sems a bit hypocritical to me.....unless she is refering to the Incas and Aztecs being colonized and dominated or perhaps the Islanders being colonized by Argentina.

 

Cheers

 

Don

Posted on: 28 February 2012 by Don Atkinson
Originally Posted by Bruce Woodhouse:

Let the people who live there decide who governs them (and who gets the oil profits). After all we are entirely happy for that process to be applied to Scotland aren't we....

 

Bruce

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

 

We draw the borderline from Gretna to Berwick and extend it towards Norway and...........hey-presto - everybody is happy!!! (might as well return the Shetland Islands to Norway whilst we are on with it)

 

Cheers

 

Don

Posted on: 28 February 2012 by Geoff P
Originally Posted by Don Atkinson:

In an emotional speech Monday evening celebrating the bicentennial of the Argentine flag, Fernandez reiterated the country's claim to the Falklands "and the defense of our natural resources."

 

Cheers

 

Don

Well she is coming up for election. Got have something to divert the populace from thinking about the shabby state of their country and the darker side of their government's rule.

 

regards

Geoff

Posted on: 28 February 2012 by Don Atkinson
"Although no progress is made on the matter of sovereignty, a compromise on oil is reached in 1995. Britain and Argentina agree to share, in proportions varying in different regions, any wealth deriving from the anticipated oil fields. The British share is to be used to defray the cost of the war and the garrison. Licences are issued in 1996. Exploratory drilling begins in 1998. "


Read more: http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?gtrack=pthc&ParagraphID=nuh#nuh#ixzz1ngZ2jMKP

 

Some specific date in 1833 seems irrelevent to me given that:

  • at one end of the spectrum "we are we are" (ie the islanders don't want to be ceeded to Argentina and the "natural resources" issues seem to have been resolved by agreement between all the parties - see above).
  • and at the other end of the spectrum, (prior to c1500), Argentina itself was occupied by peoples who had been there, in some way shape or form, for at least 10,000 years.

Inconveniencing cruise ships seems pretty childish.

 

Cheers

 

Don

 

PS The above quote is purely arbitrary and I haven't verified its accuracy by cross reference to any other source.

Posted on: 28 February 2012 by Don Atkinson
Originally Posted by George Fredrik:

Dear Don,

  

Sorry to disagree so firmly, but it is my view, for all that.

 

ATB from George

You are fully entitled to your point of view George. And i'm sure there are many others who share your view.

 

Cheers

 

Don

Posted on: 28 February 2012 by Phil Cork
Originally Posted by Geoff P:
Originally Posted by Don Atkinson:

In an emotional speech Monday evening celebrating the bicentennial of the Argentine flag, Fernandez reiterated the country's claim to the Falklands "and the defense of our natural resources."

 

Cheers

 

Don

Well she is coming up for election. Got have something to divert the populace from thinking about the shabby state of their country and the darker side of their government's rule.

 

regards

Geoff


Surely that'll never wor.......

 

Hmmm