Sign of the times?

For what it is worth, that NAP300 has made its third appearance of the week. Anybody else for a bargain?

I thought not....

I have also had many transactions on eBay with a 100% success rate. It should be remembered that the only reason that we know the auction in question is a scam, is that, it is so obviously a scam, There is no other evidence.

Gerry 

The problem with that assumption is that legitimate and reputable sellers get their accounts hijacked by scammers. Then you are not safe. The feedback ratings mean nothing in that case.

I'd say that for a this kind of transaction, a quick chat with the seller on the phone is a necessary precaution.  If you see a comment in the description such as "I'm away for a few weeks and unavailable to take phone calls" then alarm bells should ring in your head.

Obvious scam is obvious.

As the originator of two threads on the other site 'Dodgy?' and 'Another Bargain' I thought I was doing folks a favour.  Some see it as a witch hunt though which makes me think twice about future alerts.

The feedback for the 300 was a laugh for those who read it.   100's of pairs of kinky underwear and then, out of the blue, a very expensive power amplifier!

Take care out there.  G

Interesting that the guy selling the NAP300 in a one-day sale on the major auction site is also unloading a Hasselblad camera body under a different ID (Google his email address).  He has also previously sold a coin online for £2.16, which seems unusual behaviour from someone who owns a £6,500 power amplifier.

FWIW, I've reported both postings to the site as fraudulent.

I'm a bit jealous of you Brits, as you have much more access to Naim dealers within a day's drive.

Here in the States, at least in my geography, resort to online sales sites is a necessity for used gear. My local dealer doesn't have much if anything very often at all.  Even the "big" audio enthusiasts second-hand selling site here in the States at any one time has only maybe a dozen Naim items in total.

Current bid is 26 quid.

I'm sorry but people stupid enough to be seriously bidding on this deserve all they get.

I've reported it as fraudulent too.

Also you can buy accounts with great feedback to encourage confidence in the seller which needs to watched out for.

Jono

Indeed, you could, at no cost, set up a miscellany of email accounts to give yourself pseudo positive feedback.  Best done over a period of time to avoid suspicion.

And you know its been done, along with the poor punters who fell for it.

Cash on collection is the only safe solution for the kind of value kit under discussion here.

Jono

Little risk in buying from a Naim Dealer, even at a distance.

Not as good as having a dealer nearby, but a lot more certainty than remote auction sites.

Cheers

Don 

Some years ago i put my SBLs up for sale on flea bay. Guy from Ireland contacted me,was happy to buy them without seeing them. Says he will send me a cheque for the full amount + £500.

Wants me to bank his cheque and send MY CHEQUE to his shipping company !!!! for the £500.

When i told him that i was going to Ireland on business and that he could pay me cash on delivery AND save himself £500 i never heard from him again. What a suprise

Mista H

Mista,

that's a well known scam.  Basically your cheque will be good but his won't be.  It'll seem OK until a few days after you send yours and the bank inform you that his cheque is stolen/bogus and has been reversed.  In the worst case, he gets the goods and your £500.  Ouch.

Richard i had this sort of thing all the time when i had my M/cycle W/sale business.

Once had a guy phone me one morning wanting some £15,000 worth of Brake pads etc to ship back to Africa. I told him to bring CASH when he comes to collect. Walks into the office next day and says to me.....Who do i make the cheque out to ?  He got quite upset when i told him to F off.

Mista H

Relax, Mike - total scam. 24 hour listing, no personal calls, no answer to messages for information and far too cheap.

However, I don't agree with others on this thread that nothing good comes from ebay purchases because mine was a joy.

Hope you're keeping well.

Mick

Am I wrong here, but as far as I can see, his thread will scare off many people from eBay transactions, but not one poster has actually experienced a loss through a paypal transaction on eBay.

It would appear that all the negative posts, are, from those that have always avoided eBay. Those that have used the site all report favourably.

I may be wrong?

Gerry

I think you're right Gerry. I've been shopping on eBay for seven or eight years now and only had one problem in about 250 transactions, which was quickly resolved in my favour by Paypal.

Having said that I would never consider buying something like a NAP 300 on eBay. My maximum was about £250 with the average being less than £50.

PayPal explains in its User Agreement

PayPal does not have control of or liability for the products or services that are paid for with our Service. We do not guarantee the identity of any User or ensure that a buyer or a seller will complete a transaction.

When you receive a payment, you are liable to PayPal for the full amount of the payment plus any Fees if the payment is later invalidated for any reason .. This means that you will be responsible for the amount of the payment, plus the applicable Fees listed in section 8 of this Agreement if you lose a Claim or a Charge back, or if there is a Reversal of the payment. You agree to allow PayPal to recover any amounts due to PayPal by debiting your Balance.

You are responsible for all Reversals, Charge backs, Claims, fees, fines, penalties and other liability incurred by PayPal, a PayPal User, or a third party....

I'm saying nothing, up to you whether you find those T&Cs to your liking ....  

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Happy shopping .... 

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