Haven't the common people suffered enough?

Posted by: Tony2011 on 12 April 2012

I just heard that  Pulp has reformed, or, if you preferred, reunited. Why???.  I have never understood why people listen to this arty-farty,  pompous nonsense and think it's art. And, apparently, its ramifications has reached the airwaves. Isn't anything sacred?

Tony

 

 

 

Posted on: 12 April 2012 by Tony2011

George,

Your reply seems to have been edited(?).

Succinctly put,  my dear friend!

Hearing the news, I nearly spilt my glass of Marche's Rosso di Conero all over the carpet.

Phew!

Tony

 

Posted on: 12 April 2012 by George Fredrik

Dear Tony,

 

Deleted by me. I thought it was too hot for some, if not you!

 

Sorry about that. I did not keep the thing, though it was not loose, but certainly trenchant!

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 12 April 2012 by naim_nymph

Ha ha !

 

I'd much rather have the wood-chip wall paper make a come back!

 

 

Debs

Posted on: 12 April 2012 by Tony2011
Originally Posted by George Fredrik:

Dear Tony,

 

Deleted by me. I thought it was too hot for some, if not you!

 

Sorry about that. I did not keep the thing, though it was not loose, but certainly trenchant!

 

ATB from George

Dear George

Your honesty is deeply appreciated

KR

Tony

Posted on: 13 April 2012 by Philip Tate

This thread reads like two secret agents meeting on a park bench. What on earth are you talking about? And why so angry about Pulp? Just don't listen to them.

Posted on: 13 April 2012 by JamieL_v2

I never got Pulp, or any 'Brit pop' for that matter, but I do like Jarvis Cocker though, and although the music did not appeal, while waiting for another band at a festival I saw them play four songs, and thought they were very tight and had great stage presence.

 

I thought the 90's was a great decade for music with Grunge and Techno having such energy, after the ten years of music I (almost) completely detested in the 80's, but the exception to me was 'Brit pop' which seemed to lack either energy or originality.

 

Still I have no problem with bands I don't like reforming, it does not affect my wallet, or spare time.

Posted on: 13 April 2012 by George Fredrik
Originally Posted by Philip Tate:

This thread reads like two secret agents meeting on a park bench. What on earth are you talking about? And why so angry about Pulp? Just don't listen to them.


"Moscow Rules, I insist on Moscow Rules!" said Gen Vlady trying to arrange a crash meeting with the Circus ...

 

Thanks, John Le Carre!

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 13 April 2012 by Guido Fawkes
Originally Posted by JamieL_v2:

I never got Pulp, or any 'Brit pop' for that matter, but I do like Jarvis Cocker though, and although the music did not appeal, while waiting for another band at a festival I saw them play four songs, and thought they were very tight and had great stage presence.

 

I thought the 90's was a great decade for music with Grunge and Techno having such energy, after the ten years of music I (almost) completely detested in the 80's, but the exception to me was 'Brit pop' which seemed to lack either energy or originality.

 

Still I have no problem with bands I don't like reforming, it does not affect my wallet, or spare time.

And now I'm just the opposite, it's twice upon a time .... 

 

I really liked Pulp and have virtually every record that Blur, Oasis and the Smiths made. 

So I guess I was into the Britpop scene.

And what a great group Garbage were, 

I'm quite happy to listen to the Zutons, Franz Ferdinand, the Kaiser Chiefs, the Coral or All About Eve and often do. 


Sorry, but the Grunge and Techno stuff left me cold (Nirvana without Patrick Campbell Lyons what is the point, oh wel never mind - give me Cathedral, Bauhaus or COF any day. 

 

Still we are as one on the 80s - of course, there were exceptions, but all that new romantic stuff was about as interesting to me as a yet another release of the entire post-Barrett Pink Floyd catalogue. Still the 80s gave us Martha & the Muffins, Napalm Death and, of course, the four lads who shook the Wirral - so no entirely awful. 

 

I'm not that keen on bands I like reforming though - they rarely seem to capture that initial energy. 

 

As you say, I have no problem with bands I don't like reforming, it does not affect my wallet, or spare time - I suppose the same could be said of hip-hop and rap and immersion type re-releases of stuff I've already got.  Though I was quite heartened by the announcement in early April that the entire PC catalogue was to be deleted and not made available for download - imagine those PG Genesis albums without the drums: if only 

 

I guess we are all different and like what we like and what's wrong with that I'd like to know, so here we go again. 

 

By the way it was great to hear some Straight Southern Rock on the BBC - wonderful stuff. 

 

All the best, Guy 

 

If music be the food of love then I'm the indigestion

Posted on: 14 April 2012 by Gale 401

I like Pulp and Jarvis.

Jarvis  has a amazing musical knowledge.

His radio shows are worth a listen.

Stu. 

Posted on: 14 April 2012 by JamieL_v2

Thanks Gudio Fawkes

 

I think both our replies probably reflect that the 90's represented a change in music to more open and eclectic tastes, and less dominated by a corporate package that the record companies tried to force bands into.

 

For me the pre-cursor of the decade was Talk Talk's 1988 album 'Spirit of Eden', an album which EMI sued the band over for being non commercial (thrown out of court), an album from a band who were forced to use Duran Duran's producer for their first album, and an alum of raw honesty in both song and sound that was so sadly lacking in that decade. As I have said before, it is cited by Karl Hyde of Underworld as one of his favourites, 'It reminds me to try harder', and I suspect an influence on Radiohead, and probably many others.

Musically Brit Pop did not appeal to me, but lyrically I think Pulp in particular made some impact, and perhaps the movement represented a demand for honesty in song writing. Grunge saw a thirst for raw energy, and techno exploited new advances in technology. All grew out of 'underground' movements that were not generated by the record companies (although that could be said of the 'New Romantics' too), and that were reactions against a bland mass marketed product that music had before in the years before.

 

I wish such a change, and influx of new energy could happen again now.

Posted on: 14 April 2012 by Gale 401

Jamie,

The post man didn't call once today.

Noah had his first ever trip to Hamleys today.

I was looking forward to the two new Talk Talk vinyl album sets and the no-man live coming through the door.

Monday now.

I no my thin originals should sound better?

I just want a not played to death copy of each and i will be happy.

Plus the other stuff that comes with them.

Stu


Posted on: 15 April 2012 by Guido Fawkes

> For me the pre-cursor of the decade was Talk Talk's 1988 album 'Spirit of Eden',


Thanks Jamie


Not an album I'm familiar with, but I'll check it out - sounds interesting


I always hated it when some American groups said they were making an album for the British market or British groups said they were making an album for the American market. 


I always though just make an album you believe in dudes and you never know the record buying public might just like it too.



All the best, Guy 

Posted on: 17 April 2012 by Tony2011

Tulip... Now, that's the name for a band.

I heard great stuff during the 90's, some of them mentioned above  and I am  a proud owner of some of their work. Not a great fun of grunge and apologies  to those who think KC was a genious. Errrr. No, I won't bother.

Thank youy all

 

Tony

Posted on: 18 April 2012 by Briz Vegas
Pulp were arty farty pompous nonsense. Why didn't someone say? I have to get some now. I don't have any of their stuff, except that common people song on an old compilation album. So you can be arty farty singing about roaches. Sounds very Withnail and I to me. The art of squallor What else can we hate. How about Pink Floyd, that's pretty arty, gotta hate them. Beetles, talk about pretentious, Mozart, don't start me on old Mozza. Now don't gay me started on farty music.
Posted on: 18 April 2012 by Briz Vegas
That's get not gay, I ityped that message.
Posted on: 18 April 2012 by Guido Fawkes

 

Gentle Giant's greatest hits album: Pretentious For The Sake of It. 


It is full of great stuff.

 

I agree with you about Mozart though Briz apparently when no lesser man than Waldo de los RĂ­os made it to the top of the hit parade with Symph #40, old Moza didn't even turn up at the after TOTP drinks session. Jarvis wouldn't have missed out if Michael Jackson had covered Disco 2000 and got it to poll position. 

Posted on: 23 April 2012 by maze
can't stand any of those 90's Brit bands, pulp, oasis and the one with albarn, just utter tripe to me.
Posted on: 24 April 2012 by Mike Hughes
Dearie me. Such hatred. Utterly bizarre. I can't imagine a less "arty farty" band than Pulp. They were, for a period, a great singles band but the album with most of those hits is slightly over-rates IMO. The next one was drab but, amusingly, their last album before they split was terrific and, ironically, would appeal to exactly those people who loved the bucolic side of XTC and the Talk Talk of Spirit of Eden. Perhaps if the posters slagging them off had listened to an actual album rather than just lazily labelled them Brit pop and dismissed them on that alone. Jarvis is an erudite, interesting character. His solo stuff has yet to live up to that IMO.
Posted on: 25 April 2012 by Guido Fawkes
 
IOriginally Posted by maze:
can't stand any of those 90's Brit bands, pulp, oasis and the one with albarn, just utter tripe to me.

tri-pe must stand for three way (tri) progressive entertainment - I assume it was an abbreviation - the trio of bands you have mentioned are among the best of the 90s - what were you listening to, Maze? 

 

These were bands that believed in what they did, wrote their own song, rehearsed hour after hour and did all the things we'd hope for. 

 

I just find it hard to dismiss 

  • Park Life
  • The Great Escape
  • Definitely Maybe 
  • What's The Story
  • His n Hers
  • Different Class
  • This is Hardcore
  • We Love Life

I think there are among my favourite records, certainly of the 90s. 

 

Oh well it is all down to personal taste, but curious as to what 90s music we were listening to. Or do you view like I view the 80s - a decade mostly best forgotten.