What percentage of your music is stolen

All legal here.

In the old days, when a rare and unavailable recording I wished to have was broadcast, I have recorded it onto TDK SA 90 tape, but in every case patience has seen the bootleg tapes replaced with the commercial re-release.

Even when loaned a recording that I wanted, I always made sure to get the commercial release as soon as it became available again.

I have some private recordings [in which I am among the players], which have never and will never reach the general public. These would only be illegal if the music contained remained [of itself as published music] still in copyright.

I have retained all CDs copied into iTunes. Of course with legal MP3 downloads of which I have about an hour of music this way [out of 29 days of music in iTunes], and I have no idea how I could prove their legality!

ATB from George

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Originally posted by winkyincanada:
... How do artists get paid when music is distributed for free?

What I read about the recoup contracts that the music industry imposes on their artists, the artists don't earn much from CD sales at all regardless of any downloading or sharing.

As I (think to) understand it is more the record company that gets hurt than the artist.

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aleg

If you are over 4@@??!! erm something that is a very leading question....

during the 70's we were all making c60 (90 if you had the cash) tapes of each others music - so I suppose some of us must have bought the source material. I had a part-time job in 6th form and a lot of money went on vinyl so I suppose for at last some of the source was me m'lord.

As appendix all of said records went to Oxfam last month so my conscience is clear.

Almost

Tog

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Originally posted by winkyincanada:
In these days of file sharing and the inter-webs, it is pretty straightforward to steal music from friends and strangers (I am told).

It used to say on the record sleeves "Home taping is killing music". At the end of the day it is the same today but with different technology.

If I want to own a recording, I have always bought an original. I don't download or copy illegally. All my music is legal.

With an HDX it's easy to make a copy of a CD you don't personally own. In some cases I did this, but when I liked the album, I always bought an original copy afterwards. Otherwise I've deleted it...

Regards,
Michel

None of my music is ripped off or purchased from Supermarkets who generally sell at a loss and are ultimately hurting the proper music stores....!

I only copy music for use in the car or on the iPod....

Then we have the case of Audiobooks borrowed from the Public Library. I always rip these to MP3 and listen to them on my iPhone while out on a walk. Delete them when I've finished, so I assume this is legal within the spirit, if not the letter, of the law?

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Originally posted by Dungassin:
Then we have the case of Audiobooks borrowed from the Public Library. I always rip these to MP3 and listen to them on my iPhone while out on a walk. Delete them when I've finished, so I assume this is legal within the spirit, if not the letter, of the law?

I'm no lawyer, but that would seem just fine "ethical" terms to me.

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Originally posted by Aleg:

quote:

Originally posted by winkyincanada:
... How do artists get paid when music is distributed for free?

What I read about the recoup contracts that the music industry imposes on their artists, the artists don't earn much from CD sales at all regardless of any downloading or sharing.

As I (think to) understand it is more the record company that gets hurt than the artist.

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aleg

Likely right. That's why they put up such a fight.

An artist I know releases her stuff independently via her own site and iTunes. From iTunes she says she clears 70c a downloaded track.

Yes, I gather artists make their ££ on touring and merchandise. Alternative income would come from deals when tracks are used in films or marketing campaigns.....

All of my music is purchased, with a couple of CD's copied from somebody who purchased it, and copied with his permission.

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..., with a couple of CD's copied from somebody who purchased it, and copied with his permission.

But with the artists' permission?

The purchaser of a CD has absolutely no right to suppose that because he or she has bought the CD, and decides to allow it to be copied, that the musicians who made the recording also give permission to give their work away for free ...

It's complicated.

Here in Canada, it's illegal for me to copy music for a friend, but legal for him to copy his music for my own use. Got that ?

On March 19, 1998, Part VIII of the Copyright Act came into force. Until then, copying any sound recording for almost any purpose infringed copyright. Part VIII legalizes one such activity: copying of sound recordings of musical works onto recording media for the private use of the person who makes the copy. It does not matter whether you own the original sound recording (on any medium), you can legally make a copy for your own private use.
Note, non-musical works, such as audio books or books-on-tape are not covered.

So I can visit my local library, leave with a stack of CDs and copy them Naim bit-perfectly onto my UnitiServe, provided they are for my own use.

The wording of the Copyright Act gives rise to some very odd situations :

1. If someone steals a commercial CD, steals a blank CD-R, and then copies the commercial CD onto the CD-R, they are a thief, but they have not infringed copyright.
2. You can legally lend a commercial CD to a friend, give him a blank CD-R, let him use your computer, and help him burn the CD-R which he can keep for his own private use.
3. You can legally copy a commercial CD , keep the copy, and give your friend the original.
4. You cannot legally make the copy yourself and give your friend the copy.
5. Your friends Alice and Benoit really like the new commercial CD you just purchased. Alice borrows it and makes a copy for her own use. She then passes the commercial CD on to Benoit, who makes a copy for his own use. Benoit gives the commercial CD back to you. This is all perfectly legal.
6. However, if Alice had copied the commercial CD, given it back to you, and passed her copy on to Benoit to make a copy for his own use, then copyright would have "probably" been infringed. There is some doubt here because Alice's original intent is important. In the strictest terms, her copy was no longer just for her private use. Pretty strange considering that the end result of examples 5 and 6 are exactly the same!

Source for above information : http://neil.eton.ca/copylevy.shtml

Many countries (not in the US) impose levies on blank recording media, including non-removable memory permanently embedded in digital audio recorders, for the express purpose of offsetting artists' losses from copying. Of course, as sales move from physical CDs to downloads, this revenue stream has dropped substantially.

So, in conclusion, check your local copyright law before deciding to beat yourself up for *stealing* music. If an artist's work really touches you, your inner voice will lead you to do the right thing in the end

Jan

And that reads like the Canadian Parliament is even more incapable of drafting well worded and comprehensible legislation that our British Parliament under the Prime Ministerships of Mr. Gordon Brown and Mr. Anthony Blair.

Badly drafted legislation makes lawyers rich, but do not forget that Mrs. Blair is a lawyer!

ATB from George

As was Mr Blair before he set out to make peace in the Middle East - by the way how is that going?

Tog

Some of the rental charge made by libraries are paid to the performing rights group and onto the artists. AFAIK

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Originally posted by winkyincanada:
An artist I know releases her stuff independently via her own site and iTunes. From iTunes she says she clears 70c a downloaded track.

That would be 70c more than she'd make if it were nicked.

I noticed a disparity between the numbers of CDs owned by average hifi users and the storage requirements they claimed when HDD audio started to take off.

It's theft - however you attempt to justify it.

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Originally posted by Aleg:
What I read about the recoup contracts that the music industry imposes on their artists, the artists don't earn much from CD sales at all regardless of any downloading or sharing.

As I (think to) understand it is more the record company that gets hurt than the artist.

Both get hurt.

Yes its true that costs of recording etc are generally recoupable against royalty income, but on the other hand if the project never breaks even it is the record company that effectively has to wear the loss, not the artist. Plus if the artist has written the songs themselves they start earning publishing/copyright income from day one.

As Adam says, "It's theft - however you attempt to justify it."

Musicians deserve a living like anyone else. Bricklayers' work cannot be downloaded, but bricklayers often earn more than musiacians.

Why would anyone who can own high class replay want to deprive humble, blue colar musicians of part of his or her livelyhood apart from a highly squewed view of value, and moral value ...

Might as well add "who cheats on their taxes"??

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Originally posted by Adam Meredith:

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Originally posted by winkyincanada:
An artist I know releases her stuff independently via her own site and iTunes. From iTunes she says she clears 70c a downloaded track.

That would be 70c more than she'd make if it were nicked.

I noticed a disparity between the numbers of CDs owned by average hifi users and the storage requirements they claimed when HDD audio started to take off.

It's theft - however you attempt to justify it.

Fully agree.

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Originally posted by George Johnson:
And that reads like the Canadian Parliament is even more incapable of drafting well worded and comprehensible legislation that our British Parliament under the Prime Ministerships of Mr. Gordon Brown and Mr. Anthony Blair.

Badly drafted legislation makes lawyers rich, but do not forget that Mrs. Blair is a lawyer!

ATB from George

The Canadian parliament is incapable of reasonable copyright law because they are in the pocket of the RIAA.

well that's sorted out then, everybody uses legal material.....

oh wait, did I mention perhaps 50% of my collection is illegal?

I have bought CD's, ripped them to my HDX and later given them to mates or in a few cases sold them on Ebay. This means that technically I should delete those files on my HDX but I don't always. I have never saved music to the HDX that I do not own, if I borrow something that I like I have always bought it myself later.

Bruce

Getting a bit puritanical and self virtuous around here all of a sudden?

Or am I just a bit evil?

Tog