UnitiServe/HDX ripping

The Qute does not have a CD mechanism, it cannot rip!

Bruce

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Originally posted by Markus S:
I'm sure this has been discussed, but a quick search did not lead me to an answer, so may I please ask a question -

Naim claim that rips via an HDX are superior to rips using ordinary DVD transports and "normal" software. Does that extend to the UnitiServe? Is a UnitiServe rip indistinguishable from an HDX rip?

The ripping engines on the NS0x / HDX and UnitiServe are all designed to be bit accurate and so rips produced by any of them should be identical.

Phil

quote:

Originally posted by Bruce Woodhouse:
The Qute does not have a CD mechanism, it cannot rip!

Bruce

Yup. My bad. I edited while you posted.

Thanks, Phil. For my edification - how is bit accurate different from bit perfect?

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Naim claim that rips via an HDX are superior to rips using ordinary DVD transports and "normal" software.

That's news to me. All they claimed when I asked them was they produced the most accurate rips they could - the material I've heard ripped by Naim was first class, but then so is some material ripped using other software.

So if you have a Naim system that rips then you are assured of good ones - that is not to say that you can't get great rips other ways.

Two identical rips sound the same to me and continue to do so if converted to another format: WAV, AIFF and ALAC using MAX through my system: MBP/hiFace/nDAC/555PS ... and as far as I'm concerned very enjoyable.

Are HDCDs ripped to 16, 20 or 24 bits?

I've not heard a company yet who have claimed their ripper is only 98% accurate. With a decent drive most modern omputers will rip very effectively - will little effort.

Tog

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Originally posted by likesmusic:
Are HDCDs ripped to 16, 20 or 24 bits?

AFAIK 16-bits

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Originally posted by Aleg:

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Originally posted by likesmusic:
Are HDCDs ripped to 16, 20 or 24 bits?

AFAIK 16-bits

In which case it loses 4 bits.

dBPoweramp rips the full 20 bits and save the rip as a 24 bit file, if you wish.

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Originally posted by likesmusic:

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Originally posted by Aleg:

quote:

Originally posted by likesmusic:
Are HDCDs ripped to 16, 20 or 24 bits?

AFAIK 16-bits

In which case it loses 4 bits.

dBPoweramp rips the full 20 bits and save the rip as a 24 bit file, if you wish.

is this somthing we might see in a firmware update on the naim ripping software?

also be nice if we could rip 2ch sacd and dvd-a, afterall it is a dvd drive in the hdx is it not?

That and the ability to make tea, solve the deficit and cook a really nice chocolate souffle would be good.

Probably have to go back to Naim though for a new board.

Tog

quote:

Originally posted by likesmusic:

dBPoweramp rips the full 20 bits and save the rip as a 24 bit file, if you wish.

And though I say so myself, they sound very good too.

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Originally posted by Aleg:

quote:

Originally posted by likesmusic:
Are HDCDs ripped to 16, 20 or 24 bits?

AFAIK 16-bits

Does it really matter? The additional information is encoded into the 16 bits. To have the full benefit of HDCD you'll need the HDCD filtering provided by Pacific Microsonics...

Regards,
Michel

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rip 2ch sacd and dvd-a, afterall it is a dvd drive in the hdx is it not?

legal?

quote:

Originally posted by Klout10:

Does it really matter? The additional information is encoded into the 16 bits. To have the full benefit of HDCD you'll need the HDCD filtering provided by Pacific Microsonics...

Regards,
Michel

Surely not if they are ripped and you play them back through a DAC that is at least 20bit capable? Even modest DACs like a squeezebox manage 24bits, which is what dBPoweramp pads the 20bits out to.

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Originally posted by pcstockton:

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rip 2ch sacd and dvd-a, afterall it is a dvd drive in the hdx is it not?

legal?

You can't read the SACD layer in a DVD drive and pulling the audio from a DVD-A disc would be very very naughty...

Phil

But ripping HDCD is legal surely. Does the HDX do it Phil?

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Originally posted by likesmusic:
But ripping HDCD is legal surely. Does the HDX do it Phil?

It will rip an HDCD encoded disc, yes.

Phil

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Originally posted by Phil Harris:

quote:

Originally posted by likesmusic:
But ripping HDCD is legal surely. Does the HDX do it Phil?

It will rip an HDCD encoded disc, yes.

Phil

And get the full 20 bits?

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Originally posted by likesmusic:

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Originally posted by Phil Harris:

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Originally posted by likesmusic:
But ripping HDCD is legal surely. Does the HDX do it Phil?

It will rip an HDCD encoded disc, yes.

Phil

And get the full 20 bits?

The HDX does not have an HDCD decoder so no...

Phil

quote:

Originally posted by Tog:
I've not heard a company yet who have claimed their ripper is only 98% accurate. With a decent drive most modern omputers will rip very effectively - will little effort.
Tog

From what I have seen using dBpoweramp the quality of the rip very much depends on the state of the CD being ripped.

If the CD has been well used then unrecoverable errors are quite common. OTOH if dBpoweramp can match the hash total of a CD track to the central database, then I don't see any way that the rip can be improved upon.

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Originally posted by likesmusic:
But ripping HDCD is legal surely. Does the HDX do it Phil?

Depends entirely on the country you are in. Its legal in Germany, for example. But not legal in the UK

(I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice.)

The law in Indianapolis

" allows the throwing of rocks and other missles at animals as long as it’s in self defense."


The world is full of contradictory legal stuff

Tog - absolutely no lawyer, at all - not ever

HDX rip and UnitiServe rip sound absolutely different - in my system, and to my ears! See my associated post here.