Walcha plays Bach (and not on the pianoforte)

Posted by: Tam on 19 May 2006

Before reading anything I might have to say on this, I strongly recommend you take a look at these two thread from Fredrik:

Walcha Plays Bach

Bach NOT on the pianoforte

I did consider e-mailing Adam and asking him to unlock those threads but since I want to talk about both and he probably has better things to do with his time anyway, I thought I would start another.

Now, on the first of those threads, I went into some detail as to why I didn't much care for Bach's keyboard work as played on the harpsichord, so it is only reasonable to ask why I've started this thread.

Well, today a box set I ordered turned up (which for inexcusable reasons best known to EMI is not available here and thus had to be purchased from Amazon.fr). So what made me turn around and buy 5 discs of Bach on the harpsichord (including the Goldbergs, the Well Tempered and some fillers)? Partly it was my respect for Walcha's artistry. Thanks to Fredrik, I have had the opportunity to hear his wonderful organ account of the Art of Fugue and was much impressed by it. The second thing was a short while back CD Review played some of a new recording of the Goldbergs made on harpsichord and couldn't see why I disliked the idea as much as I had done. In fairness, I've always had something of a fascination with the harpsichord going back some years - my neighbours used to have one in their living room when I was growing up (and I used to get in trouble if I tried to play it - but I found the sound the keys made fascinating). However, the dislike I had for the instrument must have come from hearing it poorly played somewhere (since I'm sure it can sound samey and it does inherently lack the range of the piano as discussed in Fredrik's thread). However, the performance on CD Review made me wonder if I'd been a little unfair to it and that perhaps I should give it another go.

Well, the box arrived today and I've listened to the Goldbergs and they are wonderful. Fredrik suggests they're very swift but I don't feel they're rushed. I was also pleasantly surprised by the range of sounds Walcha generates from his instrument. What is nice about the harpsichord is that, in freeing the music of the inevitable mannerisms of the piano, all that is left is the music. And I find I simply can't shake it out of my head.

So, should Bach always be performed on the harpsichord and not the piano. No. I remain very fond of my Barenboim Well Tempered and while I've never especially got on with either of the Gould Goldbergs I am sure that there must be wonderful piano accounts about (it's just a case of getting round to buying them - so let's not use this thread for recommending those as we have recently had one doing just that). No, more the point is to suggest that I think hearing this music on an instrument similar to one Bach would have intended (and so different from modern pianos) gives an understanding into it that would be hard, if not impossible to get otherwise. In short, I think people shouldn't be put off the harpsichord and could do a lot worse than spend the 20 or so pounds it costs to have this one shipped from France. While people may prefer the piano (and a piano account I regard as really great - though Hewitt, spotted at budget price, is on its way - I don't feel in a position to comment as to whether I prefer one or the other), they should nevertheless hear it on the harpsichord too.

I do intend to comment further on this set, and in particular on some of the things that really impressed me about it (and there were many), but I wasn't really noting which variations they were so it will have to wait until I've had another listen (which I shall be doing soon - this is a really great set).

regards Tam
Posted on: 28 May 2006 by Tam
Dear Fredrik,

Not sure why I haven't posted a huge amount lately. I seem to have run out (at least temporarily) of long threads to start (and the biggest idea I have - my much rumoured Mahler thread, is still very much a work in progress). Also, I had some very satisfying listening last night having finally (after a month or two of tweaking) got the positioning of my speakers right. Actually, after I put the spikes back on them (after several glasses of wine - which was probably not the wisest time to attempt it - I had a very satisfying listen to some of the Verdi Requiem, with Bernstein LSO that I picked up at budget price the other day, and I occurs to me that a thread on that work might be forthcoming. I am also mulling a thread on the London symphonies (especially in light of the delights Jochum had to offer) but that will have to wait until I've had a chance to sample Davis who arrived recently. And I promised pe-zule I'd write something about Hewitt playing Bach too.....

That said, I am also very much enjoying the Well Tempered. And the nice sunshine up here in Edinburgh - we've had damn funny weather here lately - sunny one day, bucketing it down the next.

regards, Tam
Posted on: 28 May 2006 by u5227470736789439
Dear Tam,

On the First Book, there are two Preludes and Fugues which work so differently on the Harpsichord, but the very second also shows something unique to the old instrument. Listen out for the singing line, all played short in the bass and right hand, against legatto playing in the harmonies (of the Prelude) and see if your ear is not drawn straight to the pre-eminent musical line! Sung, but non-legatto!

Then try the D Major Prelude. This can sound like a pub vamp on the piano actually because of the way the bass-line swings about! Walcha gets a gentle sway into the rhythm (yes I know of no Bachian who can make the music swing like him, and totally naturally, so that the swing generates momentum allowing for an inevitable rhytmic strength, allowing for fantastic expressive playing against this flow!), and here this gets a rather beautiful effect. The only other performance I know that is this subtle is Schnabel on the piano in 1949 I think, and was the only official recording of him the the WTC. Nturally he avoids it sounding like Joe-anna playing.

Then the most phenomenal revelation will be found in the E Flat Minor Prelude, where on the piano the effect is usually inward and rather trajic in a slightly self-pitying way. Fischer gets this inwardness very nicely, but I was never convinced that it was Bach's intention. On the Harpsichord it become a defiant fight against the sadness of life. Utterly noble and strong, whilst being profound in its comprehension of the occasional trajedy and grubbiness of the real world, which Art should always (in my view) aspire to lift us above...

On the gramophone speaker issue, I have to say I worked mine over a couple of years ago, and felt I got it as I wanted it, and have to altered anything for over a year. I must dismantle it all one day, just to effectively spring clean!

ATB from Fredrik
Posted on: 28 May 2006 by Tam
Dear Fredrik,

I will try the preludes you mention. I read something somewhere on the net (as I was googling the harpsichord the other day) to the effect that because one cannot get effects by striking the keys with a different force (as on the piano) the musicality must be achieved by control of rhythm - this is another reason, perhaps, why the harpsichord sounds right in these works in a way that the piano never quite will.

I must say, I still cannot get over how terribly moving the very first prelude of the first book is on this set. There is such a magic to this playing.

regards, Tam
Posted on: 28 May 2006 by u5227470736789439
Dear Tam,

That First One is actually a miracle of simple means expressing a most subtle harmonic pregreesion - one that Czerny, Beethoven's contempooaray found too shocking and edited to reduce the impact of - Really there is no tune, and it demonstrates how powerful is harmony alone as expressive medium. Bach's genius, stems from his ability to create fantastic harmonic frameworks from such unlikely means as counterpoint of one two or even more thems, and get an effect which is natural, but one never easily sees how he has done it. His mind really was the Einstein or Newton of the musical world, but never was he contrived. The fascination is that even when one thinks one knows these works, one realises, that one never will completely plunb the creative genius of the maker, or the works themselves.

Czerny inserted an extra bar at one point (in the First Prelude) to damp what he felt was too shocking, and when Gounod made the Ave Maria song from it, he employed the Czerny-Bach version. I know one case where this was perfomed by a pianist, who knowing this, totally devastated the singer, by playing what Bach wrote, thus shortening the accompanyment by one bar! At a rehearsal of course! To have been a fly on the wall in College Hall in the Cloisters (here in Hereford) that day would have been fun.

ATB from Fredrik
Posted on: 28 May 2006 by pe-zulu
Dear Fredrik and Tam

This is a two-manual Ammer harpsichord, similar to the one Walcha uses for his EMI recordings.


Lower manual with 16F and 8F and lute stop (a special damper device), upper manual with 8F and 4F.
Register change trackers to be operated by hand.

Regards,
Posted on: 28 May 2006 by pe-zulu
The link does not work. How do you put lose pictures into the forum-pages? I suppose, that it is impossible
Posted on: 28 May 2006 by u5227470736789439
Dear pe-zulu, Email it to me and I will do it for you now I know how. It is a real menace! Fredrik
Posted on: 28 May 2006 by u5227470736789439
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Posted on: 28 May 2006 by u5227470736789439
Ammer Harpsichord

From Fredrik

PS: That was a struggle!
Posted on: 28 May 2006 by Tam
Dear pe-zulu and Fredrik,

Thanks!

regards, Tam
Posted on: 28 May 2006 by pe-zulu
Dear Fredrik
Thanks for your kind assistance. I must learn to do it myself.
Regards,
Posted on: 11 June 2006 by pe-zulu
Dear Fredrik

Just testing how to transfer pictures to the forum

Posted on: 11 June 2006 by pe-zulu
Tantum miraculum, it worked.
Posted on: 11 June 2006 by Tam
Dear Pe-zulu,

Is that your instrument?

[envious smiley] Not that I could play one anyway!

Oh, and thanks for the pictures.

regards, Tam
Posted on: 11 June 2006 by pe-zulu
Dear Tam

No, it is a two-manual Ammer-harpsichord from the 1960es, which someone in Germany is selling for 2000 Euro�s. Suspiciously cheap, I think. Last week I made a search on the web in order to find a picture of the type of harpsichord, Walcha is using for his EMI recordings. It is the same instrument as the one just above in Fredriks link, I sent him the picture, since I didn�t know how to insert pictures in the post. But he told me, and I have learnt it by now.
My harpsichord is an Ammer too, but an one-manual from 1976, so still "preauthentic". I have often considered bying a more period instrument, but then I have for financial reasons to stop buying CDs for a very long time, and this has so far been the obstacle.

Regards,Poul
Posted on: 11 June 2006 by pe-zulu
Dear Tam

This is my instrument, somewhat more modest. It is not me at the keyboard, but an old uncle of my wife.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7074/untitledscanned023vk.jpg
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/8611/untitledscanned031dr.jpg

The links will bring you to the pictures, but don´t ask me why they didn´t get inserted directly.

regards,
Posted on: 11 June 2006 by Tam
quote:
Originally posted by pe-zulu:
Dear Tam

This is my instrument, somewhat more modest. It is not me at the keyboard, but an old uncle of my wife.




The links will bring you to the pictures, but don´t ask me why they didn´t get inserted directly.

regards,


Dear Poul

Thanks for these - would you like me to try and post the images here directly?

regards, Tam
Posted on: 11 June 2006 by pe-zulu
Dear Tam

You are wellcome. I have tried again several times, but all the time I just insert the URL and not the proper picture.

Regards,
Posted on: 11 June 2006 by pe-zulu
Dear Tam

Thanks mr. wizard, you have to tell me, how you made it.

Regards,
Posted on: 11 June 2006 by pe-zulu
Tried again, but don�t succed.
Posted on: 11 June 2006 by Tam
Dear Poul,

If you click the 'quote' button for the post where I made them show up, you should see what it is that I've typed that has worked.

regards, Tam
Posted on: 11 June 2006 by pe-zulu
Dear Tam
Thanks again, rather complicated operation, demands special knowledge.
Regards,
Posted on: 11 June 2006 by Geoff P
I am working my way through the Well tempered Clavier on the boxed set of 10 LP sides by Walcha, due to the kind auspices of Fredrik. I have reached the end of side 4 an A minor? fugue BMW 864.

As a charlatan who is taking babies steps I have to say even at the superficial level which I perhaps listen currently, the thing that amazes is how forcefull the harpsichord can sound in Walcha's hands. The other thing that strikes is the middle registers in particular seem much stronger in tone than I expect as though coming from a chello to my inexperienced ear.

Thank you Fredrik.

regards
Geoff
Posted on: 11 June 2006 by u5227470736789439
Dear Geoff,

I really hope the bug bites as it will never leave once it does!

Not bad for records as old as me really!

ATB from Fredrik
Posted on: 11 June 2006 by pe-zulu
quote:
Originally posted by Geoff P:
As a charlatan who is taking babies steps I have to say even at the superficial level which I perhaps listen currently, the thing that amazes is how forcefull the harpsichord can sound in Walcha's hands. The other thing that strikes is the middle registers in particular seem much stronger in tone than I expect as though coming from a chello to my inexperienced ear.


This is partially caused by the close miking ,- the engineer in question was famous for his ultra-close miking. Another factor is the character of the instrument, a solid strong intonated Eastern-german pre-authentic harpsichord with 16F and two 8F (and 4F ass well). The third factor is the uniform fast touch of Walcha, call it "a manual tracker organ touch", so the touch has on many harpsichords got a distinctive effect on the sound.
I hope you don´t mean your words "a charlatan" litterally. Your observations are indeed correct.

Regards,