Walcha plays Bach (and not on the pianoforte)

Posted by: Tam on 19 May 2006

Before reading anything I might have to say on this, I strongly recommend you take a look at these two thread from Fredrik:

Walcha Plays Bach

Bach NOT on the pianoforte

I did consider e-mailing Adam and asking him to unlock those threads but since I want to talk about both and he probably has better things to do with his time anyway, I thought I would start another.

Now, on the first of those threads, I went into some detail as to why I didn't much care for Bach's keyboard work as played on the harpsichord, so it is only reasonable to ask why I've started this thread.

Well, today a box set I ordered turned up (which for inexcusable reasons best known to EMI is not available here and thus had to be purchased from Amazon.fr). So what made me turn around and buy 5 discs of Bach on the harpsichord (including the Goldbergs, the Well Tempered and some fillers)? Partly it was my respect for Walcha's artistry. Thanks to Fredrik, I have had the opportunity to hear his wonderful organ account of the Art of Fugue and was much impressed by it. The second thing was a short while back CD Review played some of a new recording of the Goldbergs made on harpsichord and couldn't see why I disliked the idea as much as I had done. In fairness, I've always had something of a fascination with the harpsichord going back some years - my neighbours used to have one in their living room when I was growing up (and I used to get in trouble if I tried to play it - but I found the sound the keys made fascinating). However, the dislike I had for the instrument must have come from hearing it poorly played somewhere (since I'm sure it can sound samey and it does inherently lack the range of the piano as discussed in Fredrik's thread). However, the performance on CD Review made me wonder if I'd been a little unfair to it and that perhaps I should give it another go.

Well, the box arrived today and I've listened to the Goldbergs and they are wonderful. Fredrik suggests they're very swift but I don't feel they're rushed. I was also pleasantly surprised by the range of sounds Walcha generates from his instrument. What is nice about the harpsichord is that, in freeing the music of the inevitable mannerisms of the piano, all that is left is the music. And I find I simply can't shake it out of my head.

So, should Bach always be performed on the harpsichord and not the piano. No. I remain very fond of my Barenboim Well Tempered and while I've never especially got on with either of the Gould Goldbergs I am sure that there must be wonderful piano accounts about (it's just a case of getting round to buying them - so let's not use this thread for recommending those as we have recently had one doing just that). No, more the point is to suggest that I think hearing this music on an instrument similar to one Bach would have intended (and so different from modern pianos) gives an understanding into it that would be hard, if not impossible to get otherwise. In short, I think people shouldn't be put off the harpsichord and could do a lot worse than spend the 20 or so pounds it costs to have this one shipped from France. While people may prefer the piano (and a piano account I regard as really great - though Hewitt, spotted at budget price, is on its way - I don't feel in a position to comment as to whether I prefer one or the other), they should nevertheless hear it on the harpsichord too.

I do intend to comment further on this set, and in particular on some of the things that really impressed me about it (and there were many), but I wasn't really noting which variations they were so it will have to wait until I've had another listen (which I shall be doing soon - this is a really great set).

regards Tam
Posted on: 11 June 2006 by Tam
Dear Geoff,

Glad you are enjoying them. Are the Goldberg variations in there (which have fast gained something like desert island disc status for me)?

As Pe-zulu suggests, don't sell yourself short: you may be new to classical music, but you aren't new to music and as is clear from this post (and many of your others) your ear is far from inexperienced.

regards, Tam
Posted on: 11 June 2006 by Geoff P
quote:
Not bad for records as old as me really!
Fredrik...The quality of recording is excellent and the condition is pristine because carefully used and appreciated.

Pe-zulu & Tam..I was perhaps a little harsh on myself. I overdid what I meant which was that I lack experience of classical music and my old ears are now trying to catch up after being attuned to Jazz for 40 + years.

Tam..I don't have the Goldbergs (yet). I do have Walcha on some of the Art of Fugue on organ again from Fredrik and again it amazes by the feeling of lightness. I have never heard an Organ played with such an open feeling.

I am persevering and it is not hard to do Smile

regards
Geoff
Posted on: 14 June 2006 by u5227470736789439
Dear Geoff,

You may not have the Goldberg Variations, but you do have an email! Frddrik
Posted on: 23 June 2006 by u5227470736789439
Dear friends,

Listening to Beethoven's Second Symphony in Klemperer's life enhancing reading I was suddenly struck by the thought that both Otto Klemperer and Helmut Walcha have an architectural view in music, so comprehensive that transition becomes the most natural an effortless thing. Furtwangler was equally fine at this, but his approach was radically different!

I was trying to fathom if any of the repeats of first and second part sections in the Goldberg Variations in Walcha's reading were missing. Well, for sure, the second rendition of the Aria at the end is shorn of its repeats, but that is right enough according to convention. I was in discussion with pe-zulu on this, as I found it incredible to think that Walcha could play this music in the 76 minutes of the recording without removing a few repeats. But his reading is so architectural that each seam in the music is utterly organic and follows on naturally, making the work of trying to note repeats impossible. I determined to listen to the 25th Variation which is rather long, and examine just one single variation. Landowska called this the Black Pearl and I find that a wrong idea of the music, even if that is purely personal view. She played it somewhat slowly! Well the repeats with Walcha are intact, but so fine are the transitions that there is absolutley no sense of the music being played twice, but rather developed and moved forward with added intensity in the replayed notes. An extra-ordinary achievement, and surely what repetiton is about!

So why the Klemperer parallel? Well people often confuse duration with tempo in replay of music. Klemperer had a habit of playing repeats (usually omitted), but even with fast basic tempi, his timings appear slow, because he has taken the repeats, but somehow his grasp of architecture is so strong and his response so natural, and inevitable, that the repeats seem organic and necessary. this is not music making to listen to in a hurry, but it is completely compelling if one listens into the music rather than just a sort of semi-listen.

Interestingly Walcha's rather fast tempo in the 25th Variation is only noticeable in direct comparison with other perfoemences. In the context of the whole reading, it is both natural and compelling, and leads to a rhythmic accuracy that adds rather than detracts from the noble message.

All the best from Fredrik

PS: That blew the concentration, you can bet, so it is back to the begining! L van B's Second for the second time in a row!
Posted on: 23 June 2006 by pe-zulu
Dear Fredrik

Usually in baroque music the repeats were of course meant to be embellished to create variation, but I agree completely, that Walcha creates a strong indeed almost divine sense of continuity by taking all the repeats without any variation. And a look at the details of the score may well convince me, that Bach actually intended the Goldbergs to be played without embellishments in the repeats, in contrast f.x. to the English and French Suites.
Posted on: 23 June 2006 by pe-zulu
And the parallel with Klemperer is indeed natural, no doubt.

Regards,
Posted on: 29 June 2006 by Tam
Just picked up this absurdly cheap set of Walcha's mono organ cycle and thought I would post my first thoughts. Though, to be honest this thread is probably a better read on the subject.

I've only listened to the first disc, containing the trio sonatas. At first it's a bit of a shock (in part because the first sonata is one of the earliest recordings and is one of the few that actually sounds poor). I suspect there is also something of a 'learning curve' coming as I do from Hurford's cycle. I'd echo the comments made in the thread I mentioned about Walcha's choice of registration (and in particular his use of the flutes). It is interesting what a different texture two different organists bring to the same works.

The playing is unmistakable Walcha, and the same rhythmic control that makes his harpsichord so magical is here too - it's really hard to put it into words (the best thing is for you to buy both sets), but you can hear it's the same person playing the instrument - there is something about this great artist that is readily and characteristically identifiable from listening in a way that isn't always true of an artist.

These are certainly special recordings and I look forward to exploring the set (and at £8 there is simply no excuse for not taking the plunge - that's less than a pound a disc - heck, you probably couldn't buy a round in the pub for the hours of enjoyment this seems to promise).

regards, Tam

[big grinning smiley - though also tinged with the thought that I'm buying more CDs than I'm listening to again]
Posted on: 29 June 2006 by pe-zulu
Dear Tam

Yes, Walcha shines through, as always.

BTW what do you think of the technical part of the edition, especially concerning the ambience? Initially I thought a discrete amount of reverberation had been added, but closer study makes me think, it is a small amount of artificial ambience.

Regards,
Posted on: 29 June 2006 by Tam
Dear pe-zulu,

As to the technical, I was wondering about that, but having not heard the orginal archiv set (though when funds allow I may pick it up for comparison, but only after I have acquired the stereo cycle) it is difficult to say. However, I wouldn't be surprised if something had been done to the sound - though I also think (particularly from listening to the sonata from 1947) that these were lp transfers (though, again, without having heard the Archiv cds it's tough to say) and such things may have been introduced there.

regards, Tam
Posted on: 30 June 2006 by Tam
Well, I have just listened to the rest of the sonatas - absolutely wonderful. Indeed, this is some of the finest Walcha Bach that I've heard so far (right up there with his Goldbergs). I have to say, this set would justify its price if you just got this disc, I cannot wait to hear what is to come.

As to the sound, I do wonder what processing has gone on. I feel that they have done something to it, and am the more curious to hear the orginals as a result. However, this is a minor issue and doesn't detract from the beauty of this fantastic box.

regards, Tam

p.s. According to the company's website, the set is no longer in print (so perhaps pe-zulu was right that they used the CDs and legal issues have forced them to withdraw it). Either way, you probably have limited time to snap up this offer, so don't waste any time - at this sort of price there is really nothing to lose, and everything to gain.
Posted on: 30 June 2006 by pe-zulu
Here it is, costs ten Euros + postage.

http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/hnum/6348063/rk/classic/rsk/hitlist
Posted on: 01 July 2006 by Tam
Along side the Mackerras/BBC Philharmonic Mahler 6 (which came free with BBC Music magazine) and the insanely cheap Jochum and Davis Beethoven cycles, this set has to rank as one of the greatest value for money discs I've ever bought.

I am currently listening to the first disc of fugues, not much to add, to my earlier comments - playing very much in Walcha's style and wonderfully musical.

Actually, I would be interested in a little detail on the fugue form, for while I very much enjoy listening to them, I don't really know what a fugue is.

Also, I notice that the 6 concertos, BWV 592-597, which I enjoy on the Hurford cycle are not present here. Is their authenticity disputed or are they not really organ works but more arrangements?

regards, Tam
Posted on: 01 July 2006 by pe-zulu
quote:
Originally posted by Tam:
Actually, I would be interested in a little detail on the fugue form, for while I very much enjoy listening to them, I don't really know what a fugue is.

Also, I notice that the 6 concertos, BWV 592-597, which I enjoy on the Hurford cycle are not present here. Is their authenticity disputed or are they not really organ works but more arrangements?


Rather difficult for me to explain in English, what a complicated construction a fugue most often is, even if it sounds quite natural, when you listen to it. Fredrik, help.

The Concertos are viewed as transcriptions completely authentic, but Walcha for some reason disregarded them. Instead Archiv recorded these works with Hans Heintze, a recording I never heard and which has been out of print as long as I remember.

Nice to hear you enjoy Walchas mono recordings.

Regards,
Posted on: 01 July 2006 by u5227470736789439
Dear pe zulu,

I have only just seen this, and it is too late to start on it now.

B----- ----, it takes some explaining, but I will have a go, starting with cannon, and showing a way to understand how different themes or variants of one can be combined. And putting into words some of the simpler rules, but even then it is difficult.

Sorry to duck this tonight. I had a lovely evening with a friend not seen for a long while, and probably I need to be more focussed than now to do it right.

Fredrik
Posted on: 01 July 2006 by Edot
I'm wondering how the sound on the 10 disc Walcha/Bach documents set compares to the D.G. Archive set? Anyone have both?
Posted on: 02 July 2006 by Tam
Dear Ed,

Take a look here.

regards, Tam
Posted on: 02 July 2006 by Edot
Thanks Tam. That was just what I was looking for. I've ordered both the French EMI box and the bargain Documents box. Lots of Walcha in my future.
Posted on: 02 July 2006 by Tam
Hope you enjoy them, I will be interested to know what you think when you get them.

regards, Tam