Conductors and Composers, which ones gel and which ones don't?
Posted by: Whizzkid on 27 October 2010
Hi Guys,
Listening to Brahms 1st Symphony by Herbert Von Karajan and enjoying it more than other sets of his by different composers, this question occurred to me. Are conductors suited to a certain composer more than others and who shows the most insight into which composer?
Dean..
Listening to Brahms 1st Symphony by Herbert Von Karajan and enjoying it more than other sets of his by different composers, this question occurred to me. Are conductors suited to a certain composer more than others and who shows the most insight into which composer?
Dean..
Posted on: 27 October 2010 by JamieL_v2
Michael Tilson Thomas, playing piano and leading the orchestra to Gershwin. I think he is the son of a friend of Gerschwin, so he understands the jazz in the rhythm.
I heard a Viennese orchestra with a purely classical conductor and pianist play 'Rhapsody in Blue' with virtually no syncopation, I know not who, My friend Alan has it. It is painful, but then I love Thelonious Monk, so it kind of has to be Tilson Thomas to swing Gerschwin for me.
Adrian Boult conducting Ralph Vaugh Williams is pretty good too, but perhaps that is because it is his recordings that I knew first.
I heard a Viennese orchestra with a purely classical conductor and pianist play 'Rhapsody in Blue' with virtually no syncopation, I know not who, My friend Alan has it. It is painful, but then I love Thelonious Monk, so it kind of has to be Tilson Thomas to swing Gerschwin for me.
Adrian Boult conducting Ralph Vaugh Williams is pretty good too, but perhaps that is because it is his recordings that I knew first.
Posted on: 27 October 2010 by George Fredrik
Do you have many Karajan recordings? He did record a huge amount, but rarely IMHO did he match the most penetrating performances even in Brahms.
Try the records of Bruno walter, Otto Klemperer, Adrian Boult or several others to find a even more compelling music making in this symphony I think.
ATB from George
Try the records of Bruno walter, Otto Klemperer, Adrian Boult or several others to find a even more compelling music making in this symphony I think.
ATB from George
Posted on: 27 October 2010 by mudwolf
A local DJ says the best recording of R in Blue is Mitch Miller, he put it on one evening and I'd agree.
I've been reading a biography on Giulini and have 3 vinyl of him I have to go thru when I can concentrate. He wouldn't do anything beyond what he was satisfied with. Remarkable man and helped the LA Phil become a much better orchestra. Once his wife became ill he left and don't know if he conducted again because I haven't read the last few chapters. So sensitive, all of the musicians said he was remarkable and was a pleasure to play with.
I've been reading a biography on Giulini and have 3 vinyl of him I have to go thru when I can concentrate. He wouldn't do anything beyond what he was satisfied with. Remarkable man and helped the LA Phil become a much better orchestra. Once his wife became ill he left and don't know if he conducted again because I haven't read the last few chapters. So sensitive, all of the musicians said he was remarkable and was a pleasure to play with.
Posted on: 27 October 2010 by Mick Roberts
quote:Originally posted by George Johnson:
Do you have many Karajan recordings? He did record a huge amount, but rarely IMHO did he match the most penetrating performances even in Brahms.
Try the records of Bruno walter, Otto Klemperer, Adrian Boult or several others to find a even more compelling music making in this symphony I think.
ATB from George
Karajan never does it for me. I would go for Bernstein here, but others would disagree.
Posted on: 27 October 2010 by fred simon
CHARLES DUTOIT > MAURICE RAVEL > MAGNIFIQUE
Posted on: 28 October 2010 by mikeeschman
Gardiner/ORR do it for me on Beethoven symphonies.
Boulez has a fine way of sorting out Mahler symphonies so that they hang together structurally better than most other conductors.
Barbarolli also makes Mahler sound right.
Abbado has a compelling way with Brahms and Stravinsky.
There are too many to list.
Boulez has a fine way of sorting out Mahler symphonies so that they hang together structurally better than most other conductors.
Barbarolli also makes Mahler sound right.
Abbado has a compelling way with Brahms and Stravinsky.
There are too many to list.
Posted on: 06 November 2010 by beebie
Gunter Wand and Bruckner.
Claudio Abbado and Mahler (and Beethoven, Brahms, Stravinsky, Mozart etc)
Claudio Abbado and Mahler (and Beethoven, Brahms, Stravinsky, Mozart etc)
Posted on: 10 November 2010 by George Fredrik
quote:Originally posted by mikeeschman:
Gardiner/ORR do it for me on Beethoven symphonies.
Boulez has a fine way of sorting out Mahler symphonies so that they hang together structurally better than most other conductors.
Barbarolli also makes Mahler sound right.
Abbado has a compelling way with Brahms and Stravinsky.
There are too many to list.
Klemperer, who was the other Mahler protege with Bruno Walter, had a certain understanding to make Mahler's music so logical, warm, and emtionally and humanely rational. That he made so few recordings of Mahler is strange and sad. Those that exist [from EMI and Decca] present us with an almost stark vision but yet warm and sweet vision. The sweetness however never detracts from the inevitable logic of the music - like Arnold Rose [Vienesse Jewish leader of the VPO from 1888 till 1938 and the also of the Bayreuth Festival Orchesta till 1933] the music is supreme.
Rose never made Wagner sweet beyold the possibility in the music. In fact he was criticised for occasionally making it ssem "matter of fact,"
ATB from George