Travelling to the USA

Posted by: Mick P on 27 March 2004

Chaps

We are travelling to Mexico in June and then spending a week in San Diego.

I have just heard a rumour that America is reserving the right to rip open suitcases before and after loading onto the aircraft and if that means breaking the locks then so be it. This would be done without the owners knowledge. Also no damages will be paid.

Therefore the advice is to leave the suitcase unlocked. This of course invalidates any insurance claims.

Does anyone know if this is correct. It hardly encourages tourism.

Regards

Mick
Posted on: 02 April 2004 by Two-Sheds
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Maybe planes should be redesigned with cargo areas effectively outside the main sealed body with a blast proof barrier between it and the passengers, so any blast just blows off the luggage.


I'm sure several years ago I saw a program whcih had containers designed to put baggage inside that went inside planes. If there was an explosion inside this continaer it was strong enough to contain it, or most of it. Guess what it would cost loads more than the regular containers hence it was never pursued.

quote:
Things just became even more unpleasant for visitors from the UK- you'll be photographed and fingerprinted as though you're a criminal.


This is finally the last straw for me. I was hoping to visit the states a bit this summer since I'm working in Canada at the moment, but quite frankly I can't be bothered anymore, I'll go somewhere else that is more happy to have me. I'm not too bothered with the security checks, but it is the more and more hassle of immigration/customs of the US that I just can't be bothered with anymore. If I want to be treated like a criminal I'll hit a copper over the head with a brick Wink

And finally I wish the UK (and other) government would show some backbone and start the same sort of checks for any US visitors.
Posted on: 02 April 2004 by Tony Lockhart
And still the US government won't tackle the cause, just the symptoms.

Tony
Posted on: 02 April 2004 by Mick P
I can accept the need for checks etc, what I still do not like is having my suitcase left unlocked and knowing it can be opened without me being in attendance and also the long lengthy queues that this finger printing will involve.

This will be my last visit and I suspect their tourist trade will suffer.

Regards

Mick
Posted on: 03 April 2004 by Derek Wright
THe UK should adopt similar border protection schemes that the US is introducing for all incoming aliens - the EU is incapable of protecting its borders due to the vast land border with the east.

Could well be that we need such schemes for internal travel as well.

Derek

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Posted on: 03 April 2004 by Emil
Things just became even more unpleasant for visitors from the UK- you'll be photographed and fingerprinted as though you're a criminal.


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The 27 countries affected are Andorra,


Australia, Austria, Belgium, Britain, Brunei, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, San Marino, Singapore, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland.



No Mexico?
Gentlemen, if you want to enter the US with the least amount of fuss, just take a flight to Mexico and have a cab take you to the border (Im sure they know where) and just walk across. No passport, no visas, no baggage checks.So while Mick is getting a cavity search at JFK, hundreds or thousands are just walking across daily.
More PC crap. No one is willing (Dems or Repub) to address the ILLEGAL immigrants, or should I say, the influx of undocumented workers into the US. Sure, many are coming looking for work but if they can get through easliy, so can terrorists.Unbelievable.
The US needs to control its borders first before hasseling the citizens of the above 27 rogue nations Wink

[This message was edited by Emil on Sat 03 April 2004 at 16:42.]
Posted on: 03 April 2004 by Derek Wright
Re Mexican border - you have the farmers on the US side catching the chaps slipping across plus you get quite a few that die due to exposure.

I have been stopped quite a few times near the Mexican border

Derek

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Posted on: 04 April 2004 by neil w
me and my family have passports that last until 2011 and 2006 for the kids
we are holidaying in florida this xmas 2004
if i wish to holiday there again in say 2 years time what checks will we all be subject too ?

thanx neil
Posted on: 04 April 2004 by Derek Wright
Neil - My understanding is that you should be OK on the visa waver program - as long as each kid has their own passport.

YOu will (according to the latest reports) be photographed and fingerprinted on your first entry to the US after the 30th SEptember date.

When you renew your passports the UK should be issuring passports with biometric data built in to them.

See the info at the US Embassy site
Passport requirements

and also

More info

hope this helps

Derek

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Posted on: 05 April 2004 by sonofcolin
Chaps,

Having your bag searched when you aren't present is nothing new. It has happened for years (especially in the UK). It just happens more often now. The advice given regarding not putting anything valuable in your suitcases that are checked into the hold is good advice.

The US BCIS (Immigration) officials are not programmed to respond to any form of humour. Don't bother. One of my colleagues had the pleasure of flying back to Washington (BA223) on New Years Eve, only to be singled out by the FBI as being part of a criminal organization based in New York (he didn't know whether to laugh or cry). His suitcase was checked on the runway! (and again when he walked through customs). His name isn't Mohammed either.

Visitors (tourists) to the USA will not have their photos or finger prints taken (UK, EU etc). Only working/student visa holders (resident non-immigrants).

Once your In the US, it's not so bad!

I always feel some sick satisfaction as I walk past the lines of tourists at Heathrow straight through passport control.

The bottom line is that the US is still a great place to visit, even if you have to put up with a bit of hassle.
Posted on: 05 April 2004 by sonofcolin
I stand corrected. Visitors will also be printed and photographed and then entered into 'The Matrix'
Posted on: 06 April 2004 by Geoff P
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Why on Earth do you European guys want to "holiday" in Mexico or the US??? FLORIDA??? That's the "white trash" capital of N. America!!! Unless you have kids who want to visit Disney, why would you go there? It's pale in comparison to locals sooo much closer to you! Spain? Thailand? Monaco?



Who says you need to go to the destinations in the US you mentioned?
You have got to be kidding if you are suggesting that the National Parks of America pale in comparison to European destinations.

regards
GEOFF
Posted on: 06 April 2004 by Michael Dale
I've just been on a two week break in San Francisco, and being a very nervous air passenger, I found the full on security very reassuring. I didn't mind the "Spinal Tap" metal detector being waved around my person, or having to take my shoes off and have them fed back through the x-ray machine. The world is fucked up. I need to know I'm not sat 2 rows from a person with bombs in their footwear. I'm not complaining about my bags being searched either, because nothing was taken, and I have nothing to hide. What I do find bizarre is that after the authorities have taken away ones tweezers, Rega torque wrench etc, is that they let anyone on board a plane with a lighter and as many cans of de-odourant as they wish. "Hey! Check out my flame-thrower"!
Posted on: 06 April 2004 by Two-Sheds
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YOu will (according to the latest reports) be photographed and fingerprinted on your first entry to the US after the 30th SEptember date.


I'm currently working with someone (not american or canadian) here in canada who has work permit for the us and travels there quite often and he said since they introduced these new steps he is finger printed/photographed every time he goes. Not sure if there will be a difference and that tourists will only be done once if this new step comes in in september.
Posted on: 06 April 2004 by ErikL
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Originally posted by NAIMGAIM:
FLORIDA??? That's the "white trash" capital of N. America!!!


This, from a Texan! Ha!

Roll Eyes Wink
Posted on: 10 April 2004 by ErikL
Off the top of my head you could throw together a decent Florida eco-tour:

-Everglades
-Florida Keys
-Cedar Keys
-Canaveral national shore
-St. John's River
-Wekiva River

Not to mention Tampa, which is packed with stripper/porn princess wildlife.
Posted on: 10 April 2004 by ejl
For anyone who cares, here's my little opinion on where to go in the US in the summer if you:
i. want solitude,
ii. enjoy beautiful mountains
iii. like to backpack.

Go to the Wind River Mountains in central Wyoming. Pics and info. The Utah, Arizona, and Colorado National Parks are all very pretty but PACKED WITH TOURISTS in the summer (most european, however, so you'll feel right at home ....). The same is increasingly true of Glacier NP in Montana, unfortunately.

The Wind River Range, on the other hand, is to this day relatively empty. You will see fellow hikers on the main trails, but it is entirely possible to find some beautiful, remote lake area and not see anyone for days, even in the summer. Part ofthe reason for this is the sheer size of the range: 70 miles long and nearly 3 million acres of protected lands. Another reason for this is its remoteness and proximity to a large indian reservation.

Another point: BA has a nonstop flight from London to Denver International. I flew on this last year and it's the most pleasant international flight I've ever made. You leave Heathrow in the early afternoon and, thanks to the time change, arrive in Denver around dinner time. It feels like a domestic flight. (Unhurried Denver customs officers are likely to be nicer than most others, too). After arriving, you could spend a night in Denver, then rent a car and drive up to Pinedale Wyoming, or one of the other access points for the Wind River range. You'd be well-rested and hiking about 24 hours after leaving London.

As someone who has visited a lot of US parks, this is my most valuable tip. You can thank me when you get back. Wink
Posted on: 10 April 2004 by ErikL
ejl's recommendation looks great. Thanks for the tip.

Alex and others, you must visit Washington state. You can go sea kayaking or whale watching in the San Juan Islands, hiking or mountain biking in the North Cascades ("America's Alps") or Olympic rainforest by day, and eat sushi, drink hoppy beer, and see an indie band by night. The blend of city and outdoors is unique, and us Seattle forum members are significantly more hip than the rest of you for living here. Wink
Posted on: 11 April 2004 by Geoff P
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My visits to NPs have been in spring or autumn and so they've not been too crowded. Brice in April was almost completely deserted.


I have several fantastic touring holidays by car thru'the NP's of the US of A at those times of year and agree they are beautifully quiet.

One for a month late May - early June was a great circle which took in:
Grand Canyon North Rim (the quiet side)
Lake Powell
Monument Valley
Mesa Verde & Durango
Valley of the Gods
Canyon Lands (South)
Arches
Canyon Lands (North)
Capitol reef / Escalante
Bryce
Death Valley / Mammouth
Yosemite (From the top down since the pass road has just opened at Mono Lake)

Too much for a family but fine for me by myself.

A second slightly more sedate but still magnificent trip was in late Sept -early Oct. this one started in
Billings,Montana, up to
Glacier NP for 3 days (including an unplanned but sepctacular day hike with some great local folks I gave a lift to)
Down to Yellowstone for 4 days
Including the Grand Tetons and
Back to Billings via Bear Tooth Pass
Fly to Seattle .
Spend a day visiting Mt Ranier.

A totally different experience which again is a lot of driving but worth it is to visit Alaska in June which is the start of their brief summer.
Denali,
Prince Rupert Sound
Valdez
Seward
Are absolutely great for wildlife and amazing glaciers that exit into the sea.

A couple of shots from these trips are in the members photo thread.

I have to admit these are really adult only vacations (though teenagers could also enjoy them)

Anyway there is nothing anywhere else in the world quite like these destinations

regards
GEOFF
Posted on: 13 April 2004 by Simon Perry
Well, I have just got back from travelling to Central America via the USA, and I have to say that my customs experiences at both Boston and Miami airpots was fine. No delays, no probs at all.
Simon
Posted on: 13 April 2004 by Berlin Fritz
Is Mr Parry going to stay there ?


Fritz Von Livinginhopeinnit.