Turntables

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Originally posted by anselm:
Question fot you afficionado's. thinking of getting a turntable, now i know that lots of people have Thorens,Rega, the ubiquitous LP12, Michell, etc but i like dance music so what about the Technics SL1200, y'know the DJ decks...surely these can't be that bad and considerably cheaper.

Anselm

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soundwise i would
prefer rega or lp12 playing both rythmical at the point (choose by listening)
with none of them you can scratch or "work "like with technics.

if you want to listen only to track intros
i would not go for lp12 (more sensible chassis than rega)
for dj userigin live offers amodified rega arm for technics (imo good sounding)
O.J.

I've no experience of the Tecnics 1210 but have heard that if you change the arm to something like a rega the sound isn't too bad.The tecnics to look for I believe is called an SL10 (not sure) but it has an off board power supply and were used in studios. I've heard this one with an SME V arm,rohmann cart and it sounded incredible.

they are that bad.

and they aren't considerably cheaper either.

but then, who ever bought 1200's just to listen to?

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Originally posted by hicapman:
I've no experience of the Tecnics 1210 but have heard that if you change the arm to something like a rega the sound isn't too bad.The tecnics to look for I believe is called an SL10 (not sure) but it has an off board power supply and were used in studios. I've heard this one with an SME V arm,rohmann cart and it sounded incredible.

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Also do not know the name but the technics with the
off bord powersupply and i think a rosewood zarge(do not know exact english term)was
a real super player,although i think it was
direct drive it was a kind of supersounding
discothekturntable in the eighties.I think they
were not longer on the market, because they were too expensive for discothecs.And with the
beginning of technics dj worlchampionshps in the middle of the eighties
1210 got the pole position.Remember djs morales
and cashmoney.
O.J.

I heard some SL10-based systems at a hifi show about the time it first came out (along with their very lustworthy reel-to-reel); very tight and tuneful it was too, although nothing like the triamped Linn/Naim system in another room.

Actually the first time I heard any naim gear was a 32/l60 fed by a Technics 1600 turntable, with some ADC cartridge (an XLM I think) and was highly impressed. Speakers were the JR149
s- a low coloration version of the LS 3/5a.
It was a better system than my friends Rega3/Nytech 252XD or my Michell Focus One/Hadcock/sonus blue/A60E. Sure the 32/160 was doing things that the Nytech and Arcam only hinted at- a fact that became abundantly clear when I borrowed it for an evening. But if the Technics deck were truly dreck, then even the best amplification could not have made a bad thing good. I have no idea how one of the 70's era Technics decks would compare to a much improved P3 or higher though.

Ron
Dum spiro audio
Dum audio vivo

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Originally posted by Ron Toolsie:
I heard some SL10-based systems at a hifi show about the time it first came out (along with their very lustworthy reel-to-reel); very tight and tuneful it was too, although nothing like the triamped Linn/Naim system in another room.

Actually the first time I heard any naim gear was a 32/l60 fed by a Technics 1600 turntable, with some ADC cartridge (an XLM I think) and was highly impressed. Speakers were the JR149
s- a low coloration version of the LS 3/5a.
It was a better system than my friends Rega3/Nytech 252XD or my Michell Focus One/Hadcock/sonus blue/A60E. Sure the 32/160 was doing things that the Nytech and Arcam only hinted at- a fact that became abundantly clear when I borrowed it for an evening. But if the Technics deck were truly dreck, then even the best amplification could not have made a bad thing good. I have no idea how one of the 70's era Technics decks would compare to a much improved P3 or higher though.

Ron
Dum spiro audio
Dum audio vivo

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Hy there!any pictures of technics
SL -10?and does anybody know when it was first time on the market(think in the end of70ies O.J.

SL10

Other pictures...

Have fun! Jun

Actually, the model I was thinking of was the SP10, easily confused with the exceptional Audio Research tube preamp of the same moniker a decade later. This turntable had an obsidian base and a very high quality gimbal bearinged arm. It would also come to speed within 1/2 of a platter revolution, not that it would matter if you left it running all the time.

Ron
Dum spiro audio
Dum audio vivo

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..Hy there!any pictures of technics
SL -10?and does anybody know when it was first time on the market(think in the end of70ies O.J.

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SL-10 1980-84
SP-10 1975

Their TOTL model was the SL-10Mk3.

I still use an SL-10. The itch to replace it gets me every so often, especially after listening to James' LP12 but then I look at my 1970/80’s record collection and reality returns. It still sounds adequate to good for what it needs to do (support the occasional nostalgia trip).

One highly blasphemous idea I had was to drag my old Pioneer PL-71 out of the wardrobe and put a “really good” arm (even possibly an ARO) and cartridge on it. The idea came to me after following a link from the forum to an article on direct drive turntables. If it failed I would still be ½ way there anyway. I might have to do it covertly so the Niam secret police don’t catch up with me.

Steve

[This message was edited by Stevea on Tue 13 April 2004 at 5:35.]

I think Ron was right, I think it was called an SP10 it was the model with an offboard power supply and had similar control buttons as 1210 deck.I will try and find a pic.

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Originally posted by hicapman:
I think Ron was right, I think it was called an SP10 it was the model with an offboard power supply and had similar control buttons as 1210 deck.I will try and find a pic.

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I thought we are talking about quite another
thing.Off board psu? wood? Jun Keller:you are from Vienna,the turntable we are looking for
was used in discothek U4 in the beginning eighties,maybe you know somebody who can remember? Possibly Conny has got apicture of it. O.J

Here's an image of the Technics SL1210 - a DJ's favourite vinyl spinner.....



Around GBP 350 new (exc cartridge)

I'd be looking for an LP12 or similar if it was my money

SP10mk2 turntable, SH-10B3 obsidian base and EPA-100 tonearm

You might also want to consider the new 1210/1200 mk 5G, some substantial improvements made like +-16% on the pitch control and arm modifications.

As peeps have said changing the arm to a modified rega/origin live can make this a serious mid-price contender.

As for the sound quality of the deck as is there are two points to consider:

1. the technics holds its pitch far better than the rega does.

2. If you want to play dance music the technics will prolly do you better sound as the EQing of the records is often done for club sound systems ie with a little less bass compensating for the over bassiness of the club system. So playing dance records on a home hifi/rega type system they can sound a bit thin IMO. So partner a your technics with other quipment carefully, naim will give the rhytmic drive and timing house/techno fans want but as naim gear isn't bass heavy it may not compensate for the bass cut on the reccord.

Jun,
that's the one! they are quite hard to get hold of but if you can find one in good nick,stick a good arm and cartridge on it and it sounds superb.Much better than any LP12 I've heard (IMO!).

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Originally posted by Jun Keller:
SP10mk2 turntable, SH-10B3 obsidian base and EPA-100 tonearm

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Think this is it.
great sound,as i remember.and great picture too
O.J.