Question for Hutter users

Get them.

Joel

Born to groove

As I said above, get the spikes.

Jason

Thanks guys,

I will phone Phonography in the morning.

Bob.

Go for the spikes, if you have a concrete floor splice the carpet to make sure they go through and then make sure all shelves, starting with the base are totally level.

Hi all guys,

has anybody of you ever tried Hutter racks with dimensions different from standard? The fact is that standard dimensions (600x476) are a bit on the big side indeed, but I fear that different dimensions could affect the sound of the rack...Any experience? Thanks.

Paolo

Could anyone tell me if Hutter has a website? Or maybe a dealer who has posted photos of their racks?
Best,
Clif

Clif,

Hutter home page

Florian,
Thanks for the info. Now I know what rack the Naim gear at the Hi-Fi Show 2000 in London was placed on!
Best,
Clif
Hi-Fi Show 2000 in London

[This message was edited by Clif on SUNDAY 17 December 2000 at 21:33.]

I inquired on this from Hutter and was informed that a "cut down" shelf of 500mm width made no difference to the sound.

Joel B (I think) has reduced-width Hutter to get multiple racks side-by-side in a limited space. I was thinking about the same. Some people have said that the 600mm width of Racktime Basic looks better than the reduced width.

Has anyone tried those little metal spiked isolation platforms that are featured under the turntable in the Hutter leaflet?

Martin,

I had one of teh platforms for a little while and wrote a shortish review for HiFi+ on its merits.

Basically it worked well with basic equipment (my brothers Rotel CD player for example) but did not work at all well with my LP12 or Naim boxes.

Having spoken to Hutter I believe they see teh platforms as lower end and are better used on less HiFi type supports, if the gear has to go on a sideboard they would be invaluable.

Cheers

Jason

Jason, Ta! I won't buy one then.

Here is a question to Hutter experts:
I am trying out a four level stand with CDS2, 52 and 2*135 on it. XPS and SCAP are on a different stand. The magical flow of the music is there and I am quite excited about the stand, BUT there is way too much bass (although well controlled). The setup of the stand is from the bottom up:
- bad wooden floor, hollow sounding in patches
- the base plate of the stand on its plastic feet
- the shelf on spikes

What can I do? I would appreciate your help!
Thanks,
Jor

Jorg,

Sounds like a problem many people would love to have, plenty of well controlled bass! Is the problem that the bass is out of proportion to the rest of the sounds? If it is I think there are several options:

1. Pull the speakers away from the wall a bit, if they are in free space this may not help.

2. Get the extra spikes for the lower base so the stand is; floor, spike, base, spike, flat shelf bit. I think you should do this whatever.

3. Get all the gear on Hutter, may be a bad interaction somewhere. If your spacers are large enough then it might be worth stacking the 135's and XPS supercap on one shelf to see if this helps for teh interim.

4. Try something heavy under the rack, concrete slabs are an obvious choice although slate is nicer to look at!

I think you may be in a common predicament, you tuned teh system previously for agiven stand (what stand did you use previously, has it got a reputation for being light sounding?) and equipment set, this has changed so it is time to have a bit of a rethink on tuning the setup.

Cheers

Jason

Having seen Joel's piccies of his Hutter arrangement, am I the only one who thinks it looks less than attractive?

cheers

Nigel

Nigel

Thanks for the pointer - I hadn't had a look before - so I took a squint at the "do it yourself Hutter manual" on Joel's site and I think I quite like it.

BUT: The curved arches do remind me a bit of some building blocks I had when I was about 3. Well, OK then, 23. A sort of juvenile feel.

However - I'm from the 'close your eyes - s*d the looks' school, so what would I know.

The only worry I had was this foot-fetish thing that is going on there.

Jonathan

Hi,

No you aren't the only one who thinks they look like a school woodwork project with bits of plastic pipe thrown in, they look like a CSE pass to me.

pete

Joel's Hutter is from the "Racktime HiFi" range. This is the range with the "ToyTown" arched sides. I suspect that you only need to specify this range if you need enough clearance between shelves for a NAP500 (give me that problem). If you don't need that much clearance, you can choose fronm the "Racktime Basic" range, which is identical inall respects other than the arched sides. It just has straight rails and IMHO draws less attention to itself visually.

There are a couple of things about this stuff which are not obvious until go get your mitts on it:

1. its HEAVY. It doesn't look heavy, but it is.

2. The fit and finish is flawless. Normally to get veneer this good you'd have to do it by hand, with about 40 years training. The vertical connectors are a perfect "interference fit" and are finely machined of something heavy and cold. (It's metal, Jim, but not as we know it).

A friend of mine recently replaced a couple of SoundStyle tripods/Target wall shelves with Racktime basic in the very pale finish (pear?) and the room now appears about 30% bigger, although the footprint of the racks is about the same. Sounds glorious too.

Best;

Mark

(I still don't like this
software very much)

[This message was edited by Mark Ellis-Jones on TUESDAY 19 December 2000 at 15:33.]

All this Hutter talk is getting very boring. Could you all please just post on your own forum?

Vuk.

So let's start a new Mana thread, for a change!

HA!

J.

[Applause]

(I still don't like this
software very much)

Jason,
thanks for your reply. I had some time today to try some of your suggestions. I do not have extra spikes right now, but I tried a round head screw instead of the nylon feet. This reduced the bass by quite a bit. Then, I moved the whole rack forward into the room and realized that the rack is very sensitive to sitting close (less than 1 meter) to the corner of the room. This could be due to the corner itself and/or the topology of the deformed wooden beams that are underneath the old floor. The Project rack I used before was less sensitive. I am amazed how much the sound is changed between the two racks, especially with more complex music. Compared to the Hutter, the Project seems to add glare and chops up the musical phrasing. More hype will be posted on the Hutter forum to not offend those grouchy Hutter-less people...

Jorg

Is there a Hutter forum, guys?

Paolo