Schuberth C2 Crash Helmet
Posted by: Adam Meredith on 09 January 2005
Has anyone used this model. I am easing myself toward purchase, as it seems to offer most of what I want (except the price), but you never know until you've lived with one.
The front flip up IS a positive (I wear spectacles) - so long as there is no significant reduction in protection.
The front flip up IS a positive (I wear spectacles) - so long as there is no significant reduction in protection.
Posted on: 07 February 2005 by Adam Meredith
Just finishing some serious searching. Slightly less confused.
I recall the motorcycle showroom scene in "If" - filmed at our local bike shop.
Some time around then I walked back from javelin practice past a Cheltenham College with the final Armageddon scene being shot - oh the joys.
I recall the motorcycle showroom scene in "If" - filmed at our local bike shop.
Some time around then I walked back from javelin practice past a Cheltenham College with the final Armageddon scene being shot - oh the joys.
Posted on: 08 February 2005 by Steve G
quote:
Originally posted by long-time-dead:
Ah, to remember !
I bought a Yamaha RD125LC and spent a hoot of cash getting it tuned up a bit, uprating the brakes and adding better tyres. Track days at Knockhill were fantastic !!!
I also had a 125cc in the early days of when that's all us 17 year old learners were allowed. Contacts in the trade meant that instead of being a wimpy restricted 12hp bike mine was a pre-restriction Honda CB125TB 4-stroke twin (but not registered until after the restriction laws were in) with all of 16bhp and 12,000rpm. It was by a fair margin the quickest 125 in the area (it was very nearly as fast as a 250cc Superdream) - important for those teenage traffic light Grand-Prix races!
Unfortunately it was destroyed when a driving instructor pulled out in front of me and the replacement Kawasaki AR125LC was nowhere near as good a bike even with an aftermarket exhaust, reeds and jetting kit fitted.
Posted on: 08 February 2005 by long-time-dead
Steve
Fond memories !
One easy way round the restriction on the RD was to get to a breaker's yard and get the cylinderhead from the trail version. This was totally derestricted and also featured the power-valve (yippee !).
Rejet, Micron stainless exhaust, Metzelers.
Fun in bucketloads.
Fond memories !
One easy way round the restriction on the RD was to get to a breaker's yard and get the cylinderhead from the trail version. This was totally derestricted and also featured the power-valve (yippee !).
Rejet, Micron stainless exhaust, Metzelers.
Fun in bucketloads.
Posted on: 08 February 2005 by BigH47
I remember when the 12HP and 125cc limit was imposed and all the "young types" were complaining bitterly. I also rember some of the other scooterist trying to get some changes made as the TV/SX 200 of the day only produced 11HP as standard from 200 cc.
Thanks for increasing the edit time.
Whats the time limit now?
Howard
Thanks for increasing the edit time.
Whats the time limit now?
Howard
Posted on: 08 February 2005 by Adam Meredith
quote:
Thanks for increasing the edit time.
Whats the time limit now?
Howard
45 minutes.
Posted on: 08 February 2005 by Steve G
quote:
Originally posted by long-time-dead:
Rejet, Micron stainless exhaust, Metzelers.
I still have a liking for 2-stroke bikes although the only one in the fleet at the moment is a trail bike.
My favourite bike from that era was the Honda NS400R and it's only a matter of time until I aquire one (or perhaps an RG500!).
Posted on: 08 February 2005 by long-time-dead
Nah
Yamaha RD500LC in the fluoroscent Marlboro colours was the mutt's nutts.
Death on wheels !!!
Yamaha RD500LC in the fluoroscent Marlboro colours was the mutt's nutts.
Death on wheels !!!
Posted on: 08 February 2005 by Steve G
quote:
Originally posted by long-time-dead:
Nah
Yamaha RD500LC in the fluoroscent Marlboro colours was the mutt's nutts.
Death on wheels !!!
Just been looking at one of those (painted in Loctite colours) on Ebat as it happens - but it's still really an NS400R (in Rothmans colours) that I want.
Posted on: 09 February 2005 by BigH47
Adam repsonse to edit time
Its at least 6 hours see Online now thread.
Howard
quote:45 minutes.
Its at least 6 hours see Online now thread.
Howard
Posted on: 09 February 2005 by Andy Kirby
I always felt the RD500LC was a bit 'over weight' and the NS400 had issues with the centre piston seizing. If only the RGV250 was legal in the US of EH 
That's the way to go but what do I know, I'm rebuilding a GT750 Kettle as part of my Mid Life Crisis... 
Seemed safer than an H1 or H2 that they have so many of here....
Cheers
Andy
That's the way to go but what do I know, I'm rebuilding a GT750 Kettle as part of my Mid Life Crisis... Seemed safer than an H1 or H2 that they have so many of here.... Cheers
Andy
Posted on: 10 February 2005 by Hawk
quote:Originally posted by long-time-dead:
Nah
Yamaha RD500LC in the fluoroscent Marlboro colours was the mutt's nutts.
Death on wheels !!!
i had one of these... and lived to tell the tale.. next bike after this funny enough was one of the first Honda VFR750s.. prior to that i did time on all sorts of two strokes including an X7, RGV250, and even an RD350 powervalve..I loved everything about the NSR400 except the awful noise it made!
cheers
hawk
Posted on: 10 February 2005 by Adam Meredith
3rd bike - Suzuki 250cc "Hustler". 6 gears, very fast interesting articulated frame that made cornering a little interesting.
It wasn't until I got a Dresda Z1 900 on TT100s that I realised cornering didn't require prayer and incontinence briefs.
It wasn't until I got a Dresda Z1 900 on TT100s that I realised cornering didn't require prayer and incontinence briefs.
Posted on: 12 February 2005 by Deane F
quote:Originally posted by Adam Meredith:
This, and a new Goretex jacket and gloves,
Adam
I'd be interested to know how the newfangled fabrics compare to leather. When I rode I didn't think anything could beat leather for wind resistance or for hitting the road after separating from the bike. (Of course, I avoided riding in the rain so I guess I wasn't a true two-wheels-good/four-wheels-bad fanatic.)
Deane
Posted on: 12 February 2005 by Adam Meredith
Leathers are absolutely the best for protection.
I slid along a bit of London's North Circular Road last year - the Gore-Tex and Cordura RUKKA jacket melted where internal poppers raised the material into proud spots. It did the job, the armour stayed relatively in the right places and I was glad to have it on. Leather. I suspect, would have been better and less damaged.
The new jacket addresses several of the design faults of the old. The armour can be more firmly locked in position by straps. These also reduce "wind flap" (if there is such a thing).
While Gore-Tex absolutely stops rain getting in I have found the outer layer not very water resistant and I end up with a wet, heavy jacket. However, I now find my preference is to ride with leather trousers, boots & gloves - and the fabric jacket. The jacket has a fleece lining but I am a big fan of a mid layer with heated elements. Heated handle bare are probably a long way off heated gloves but they have done "enough" for me on several otherwise unbearable trips. They and the electric jacket mean that I do not get caught out on those rides when you end up returning in conditions much colder than the rest of the ride. The grips are permanently there and the jacket relatively cool - until you flip the switch.
I carry some nylon over trousers for rain - but dislike their lack of friction and the difference this makes to the bike/me interface. Or slippery arse = less control.
I slid along a bit of London's North Circular Road last year - the Gore-Tex and Cordura RUKKA jacket melted where internal poppers raised the material into proud spots. It did the job, the armour stayed relatively in the right places and I was glad to have it on. Leather. I suspect, would have been better and less damaged.
The new jacket addresses several of the design faults of the old. The armour can be more firmly locked in position by straps. These also reduce "wind flap" (if there is such a thing).
While Gore-Tex absolutely stops rain getting in I have found the outer layer not very water resistant and I end up with a wet, heavy jacket. However, I now find my preference is to ride with leather trousers, boots & gloves - and the fabric jacket. The jacket has a fleece lining but I am a big fan of a mid layer with heated elements. Heated handle bare are probably a long way off heated gloves but they have done "enough" for me on several otherwise unbearable trips. They and the electric jacket mean that I do not get caught out on those rides when you end up returning in conditions much colder than the rest of the ride. The grips are permanently there and the jacket relatively cool - until you flip the switch.
I carry some nylon over trousers for rain - but dislike their lack of friction and the difference this makes to the bike/me interface. Or slippery arse = less control.
Posted on: 12 February 2005 by Adam Meredith
My previous jacket, a RUKKA, had several design flaws that infuriated me. Velcro near the crash helmet strap, velcro that caught on the outer material and raised it like baby hair. Too short velcro on the sleeve closures. Basically - TOO MUCH VELCRO.
Main pockets whose protective rain flaps pushed open as soon as you sat down.
The new Alpinestars has popper and elastic wrist closures. Deep, well flapped pockets and a number of impressive design elements that make you think a biker might have been asked to comment. I have yet to use it for a proper ride but - sun seems struggling outside and I might nip out to get another speeding ticket.
Next purchase, apart from the boots I originally went to the sale to buy, a Jacket from BKS - a longtime entry on my wish list.
Main pockets whose protective rain flaps pushed open as soon as you sat down.
The new Alpinestars has popper and elastic wrist closures. Deep, well flapped pockets and a number of impressive design elements that make you think a biker might have been asked to comment. I have yet to use it for a proper ride but - sun seems struggling outside and I might nip out to get another speeding ticket.
Next purchase, apart from the boots I originally went to the sale to buy, a Jacket from BKS - a longtime entry on my wish list.
Posted on: 13 February 2005 by Adam Meredith
I fully appreciate Mick Parry's point - I took my car driving test some 20 years ago and have since driven 200 miles, all in one journey.
I was never very keen to drive but I found the appalling sense of disconnection to be the excuse I needed to stay with two wheels.
Driving back up the M4, warm cabin, 75 miles and hour, radio on - it was all too much like sitting on the sofa watching an interminably boring film. I turned the radio off and opened the windows. I think I need to be more thoroughly engaged in what I am doing than this. I could have persisted but never had the interest.
Open face helmets DO give that extra perception. Try riding without a helmet and remember the real vulnerability that we used to live with. However, I was told of a rider who persisted in riding sports bikes with open face. His crash ended with him face down on the tarmac and the image stuck.
I also like the absence of flies in my teeth when I arrive.
By the way - the Schuberth has been a hit on its first ride - I just chose the windiest day of the year for it so difficult to comment sensibly on noise but it seems low. I would echo a comment elsewhere about rain droplets being less 'swept away' than with some visor designs.
Time for a V wipe.
I was never very keen to drive but I found the appalling sense of disconnection to be the excuse I needed to stay with two wheels.
Driving back up the M4, warm cabin, 75 miles and hour, radio on - it was all too much like sitting on the sofa watching an interminably boring film. I turned the radio off and opened the windows. I think I need to be more thoroughly engaged in what I am doing than this. I could have persisted but never had the interest.
Open face helmets DO give that extra perception. Try riding without a helmet and remember the real vulnerability that we used to live with. However, I was told of a rider who persisted in riding sports bikes with open face. His crash ended with him face down on the tarmac and the image stuck.
I also like the absence of flies in my teeth when I arrive.
By the way - the Schuberth has been a hit on its first ride - I just chose the windiest day of the year for it so difficult to comment sensibly on noise but it seems low. I would echo a comment elsewhere about rain droplets being less 'swept away' than with some visor designs.
Time for a V wipe.
Posted on: 13 February 2005 by Hawk
quote:Originally posted by Adam Meredith:
3rd bike - Suzuki 250cc "Hustler". 6 gears, very fast interesting articulated frame that made cornering a little interesting.
It wasn't until I got a Dresda Z1 900 on TT100s that I realised cornering didn't require prayer and incontinence briefs.
I never managed to get a go on a Hustler, i always wanted to though... BUT i did get to ride a kettle (GT750) for a fortnight! I think i learned more in the those 14 days than i have in the other 25 ish years of riding..!?
Posted on: 13 February 2005 by Adam Meredith
My "Hustler"originally came with wide handlebars - I later fitted drop bars and had an interesting "throttle cable stuck open" situation while negotiating a corner.
Posted on: 13 February 2005 by Hawk
thankfully.. touch wood (lots of times!) ive not had an 'interesting' situation like that... the most interesting situation of that era for me was a steering damper problem on the X7... it just didnt want to turn at all! thankfully there was some run off and i lived to tell the tale, but i may well have contributed to the phenomenon known today as 'the stopie' ....if anyone knows how bad the brakes were on an X7 you'll appeciate how scared i must have been!Posted on: 13 February 2005 by Adam Meredith
This is a bit shaming but, on the way the have some Meridian amplifiers fixed in Huntingdon (?), I skidded on diesel and broke my front brake lever.
Rather than abandon the trip I rode there and back (on a Kawasaki Z1) with only a rear drum brake.
The route took me past Papworth Hospital.
Rather than abandon the trip I rode there and back (on a Kawasaki Z1) with only a rear drum brake.
The route took me past Papworth Hospital.
Posted on: 16 February 2005 by Hawk
quote:Originally posted by Adam Meredith:
This is a bit shaming but, on the way the have some Meridian amplifiers fixed in Huntingdon (?), I skidded on diesel and broke my front brake lever.
Rather than abandon the trip I rode there and back (on a Kawasaki Z1) with only a rear drum brake.
The route took me past Papworth Hospital.
respect! your madder than i thought...
Posted on: 18 April 2006 by Adam Meredith
Brief Update
I have the Schuberth Helmet now with a pair of thin speakers mounted inside. These are attached to an iPAQ with Tom Tom and a changing playlist of MP3s running.
This was fine but the icing on the nasal hairs has been the addition of a little, battery-powered, headphone amplifier from the States (thanks Marc N.).
This is good with headphones but really comes into its own with these previously voice-only speakers - transforming the sound from thin inadequacy to a rich stereo spread of some quality.
A fine round trip of 150 miles on Sunday reminded me of why Tiggers like two wheels.
I have the Schuberth Helmet now with a pair of thin speakers mounted inside. These are attached to an iPAQ with Tom Tom and a changing playlist of MP3s running.
This was fine but the icing on the nasal hairs has been the addition of a little, battery-powered, headphone amplifier from the States (thanks Marc N.).
This is good with headphones but really comes into its own with these previously voice-only speakers - transforming the sound from thin inadequacy to a rich stereo spread of some quality.
A fine round trip of 150 miles on Sunday reminded me of why Tiggers like two wheels.
Posted on: 18 April 2006 by Dougunn
RE Full face helmets . . . .
I'm desperately trying to find the link to a paper I read recently on the damage to crash helmets seen in a study of motorcycle accidents. The jist of the thing was mapping whereabouts on a helmet damage was seen . . .
Anyhoo, the thing I remember most was that 21% of the helmets examined showed serious abrasion and impact on the chin section of the helmet. The corollary of this is that in an accident you are 21% likely to 'need' a full face helmet if you want to keep your jaw attached to your head!
So Adam . . make sure your keep the Shuberth closed!
Doug
PS This is interesting
I'm desperately trying to find the link to a paper I read recently on the damage to crash helmets seen in a study of motorcycle accidents. The jist of the thing was mapping whereabouts on a helmet damage was seen . . .
Anyhoo, the thing I remember most was that 21% of the helmets examined showed serious abrasion and impact on the chin section of the helmet. The corollary of this is that in an accident you are 21% likely to 'need' a full face helmet if you want to keep your jaw attached to your head!
So Adam . . make sure your keep the Shuberth closed!
Doug
PS This is interesting
Posted on: 18 April 2006 by Adam Meredith
quote:Originally posted by Dougunn:
So Adam . . make sure your keep the Shuberth closed!
Doug
I am not entirely stupid.
Two stories have stuck in my mind.
One - a friend took part in a road race down through France. Another participant, who affected an open face helmet, crashed and planed off his chin.
The other, the effect of hitting tarmac at 70 mph is like pushing your hand against an electric sander. A good excuse to be totally encased in leather - matron.
Posted on: 18 April 2006 by Phil Cork
Slightly off topic, but reference the above points that the driver/rider should be completely in charge of their safety.
On Saturday I was a passenger in a car on Route 50 towards Annapolis MD when a car 100ft in front of us lost a front tyre (drivers side) at approx. 60 mph. This bounced accross the 'median' and crashed into the windscreen of an oncoming VW Jetta. We stopped.
The windscreen was shattered and ripped from its mounting. The wheel trim from the offending wheel was in the drivers footwell of the VW, and the front 12 inches of the roof had doubled back into the passenger's face. She was unconscious (initially) with severe lacerations to the right side of her face. Lots of blood. Although conscious and breathing, she was unresponsive for 15 minutes until the emergency services arrive. All in all, a bit of a mess.
To be honest it shook me up a little. Not really the blood and carnage, but the fact that the driver of the VW was pretty powerless to avoid the situation - the wheel smashing into her with a closing speed of 120 mph.
Reminded me that you can be driving responsibly with not a care in the world one moment, and almost lose your life the next, through no fault of your own.
Phil
On Saturday I was a passenger in a car on Route 50 towards Annapolis MD when a car 100ft in front of us lost a front tyre (drivers side) at approx. 60 mph. This bounced accross the 'median' and crashed into the windscreen of an oncoming VW Jetta. We stopped.
The windscreen was shattered and ripped from its mounting. The wheel trim from the offending wheel was in the drivers footwell of the VW, and the front 12 inches of the roof had doubled back into the passenger's face. She was unconscious (initially) with severe lacerations to the right side of her face. Lots of blood. Although conscious and breathing, she was unresponsive for 15 minutes until the emergency services arrive. All in all, a bit of a mess.
To be honest it shook me up a little. Not really the blood and carnage, but the fact that the driver of the VW was pretty powerless to avoid the situation - the wheel smashing into her with a closing speed of 120 mph.
Reminded me that you can be driving responsibly with not a care in the world one moment, and almost lose your life the next, through no fault of your own.
Phil